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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RWhisen
Something like this?

VTR*1000*94-UP*Chain*Guard...
Yup! Although I would be happy to support a member's buddy should he make some.

Thanks for the link, sounds like a deal if the OP's friend doesn't make some.
Old Aug 31, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by racer187x
Yup! Although I would be happy to support a member's buddy should he make some.

Thanks for the link, sounds like a deal if the OP's friend doesn't make some.
I think you'll have better luck with that site.

Although with a brake it wouldn't be too hard to bend some light gauge aluminum, the CNC would be pretty.... interesting to try to get cool cut outs of.

It could be done with a CNC plasma cutter, but we're gonna be working with a tormach machine which is more milling than cutting.

That is a good looking chain guard though, now I'm gonna go have to grab one
Old Oct 9, 2011 | 10:35 AM
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UPDATE

The forkbrace is out at the 3D printer right now and should be ready for production within the next few weeks.

Once I get the first few made it should give me an idea of how much it's going to cost but right now estimates are around $75-$100 inc. shipping. So that's about 1/2 to 1/3 of a superbrace.

I'm also working on an injection mold fork protector but that will be a little bit later down the line.

The rearsets/adapters are about 30% complete and once I see that my machinist is gonna do the work, I'll plug out the rest of it in a jiffy.

Thanks for being patient guys!

-Jarrod
Old Oct 9, 2011 | 12:05 PM
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Jarrod.... what's your line of work? You 3D printing for fit purposes and then going to machine it out if it fits?
Old Oct 9, 2011 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bass4dude
The rearsets/adapters are about 30% complete and once I see that my machinist is gonna do the work, I'll plug out the rest of it in a jiffy.

Subscribed to this. You have any idea on the cost yet?
Old Oct 9, 2011 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by msethhunter
Subscribed to this. You have any idea on the cost yet?
Not yet, I'm aiming to be around $325 +/- 50, it might be a hair more pending on a few things, anywhere significantly over and I'll just go ahead and make the mounting bracket to make them universal because there are cheaper rearsets on ebay to be had. But if anyone wants to pursue a VTR specific one I will have the designs for it and it will be considerably more adjustable than the ones on ebay.

In any circumstance I'll probably have an adapter "kit" for anyone who wants one at a good price.

I'm trying to make the actual mechanisms to be more universal for any bike that you'd wanna put it on and make the mounting plate bike specific so all you'd have to do (ideally) is fill out some info for me.

Originally Posted by 7moore7
Jarrod.... what's your line of work? You 3D printing for fit purposes and then going to machine it out if it fits?
Work flow for me is - Function, measurements, CAD/Cut3D, 3D print (to make sure that the part is as wanted, it lowers the machine cost because I then KNOW that I can send the part out to be machined out of AU) and then machine.

So yeah, what you said =) The cost of 3D printing for me doesn't prohibit using it as a "cheapo" prototype.

Right now I'm trying to align myself who is starting his own machine shop/parts distributor as he already has all the milling equipment and will work in trade for CAD work and design.

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My friend who was originally taking the class decided to drop out, and as I had already done most of the CAD work, I decided to pick up the class and now I'm doing the project as I already skipped about a month worth of classes!


Hence why there are going to be multiple projects going on at once so I'll keep everyone posted to what's going on and the prices of everything.


If anyone has suggestions for more parts keep 'em coming because I can make a nice little portfolio for our beloved bikes. Pretty much everything that is in the poll at the top is going to be made at some point or another, in as rapid of succession as I can make them provided my manufacturers work is up to par with my standards.

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Old Oct 15, 2011 | 08:18 PM
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Toolpaths are going to the machinist tomorrow for the fork brace. Plastic models are spot on.

I don't know when he's going to have any metal cut outs for me but when I do I'd prefer to have 3 people to "test" them. I'm going to run one on my bike for atleast 2 weeks before I send out anything just to make sure that nothing is catastrophically wrong with them (I don't really see how there could be, but I'd rather it'd be my skin than yours).

SO! It's going to be first come, first serve. The first 3 people that I send them out to [I'd prefer to have some good riding experience or even have a brace on their bike to compare too (you won't have to keep it at the end of the trial)]. I'm only going to require a deposit of $30 and then you'll have however much time you'd like to make sure that everything is good. Upon your keeping the brace you'll get a total 15% off of whatever the final price is and as well if any running changes are made you'll get all the updated product(s) as they come out.

I'm going keep this completely honest to keep the costs down, so please have at least 100 forum posts and have a paypal in good standing in order to qualify for the "trial" group. The first time I get burned things will change for the worse; so please keep that in mind. I will contact each trial user by forum mail as they are selected.

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Assuming the toolpaths are good with the machine and won't require any change, the forkbraces will be going out to people approximately 3 weeks after I get them in my hands.

Once again, I will be fronting for all the machine costs and material costs so I will not accept money from anyone until I have a physical product in my hands to send out and when I do have them they will be sent out in order of when the order was placed. I will have them in batches of 5 or 10 depending on orders. So if you're interested, please post it here or pm/email me.

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I'm going to take the first few down to someone who I have do all my plating work and see what he'd want to anodize the braces. Once I make it to there I will give some estimates on colors and if it's not ridiculous, I'll give everyone the option.

The way it has worked with this shop before is he has done parts for me at discount pending on how frequently he dips the color so common=cheap, fluorescent green/the likes=not so cheap. I'll need to actually go in to see what he'd want per-part.

As well I can do powder-coating myself so any color can be matched and will be priced accordingly.
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I left the print at the shop so I don't have it here with me but it's a horizontal split design with recessed center for weight savings.

Here is a screenshot of the cad brace and it will look identical in metal assuming the toolpath works properly.

The top edge looks weird from this view but it's a mirror of the lower one so all hard corners are chamfered and finished.
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I chose this particular design because I didn't want any outward forces pressing on the lowers and this allowed for the greatest torsional resistance in both vertical and horizontal movement in my stress analysis program.

It is 15 mm thick so it will cover the entire area for the fork protector. You will not be able to use the stock one without some slight modification. I can give you tips on how to alter it in order to use the stock one and I will have a brace specific one made eventually (hopefully soon) and anyone who has a early version of it will be able to send it back and have one installed or I can give you instructions on how to do so yourself.
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Once again the brace will be between $75 and $100 and I will have the FINAL costs upon approval of the cuts and it will include fasteners and continental shipping.


As an update to the rearsets, I've gotten another I'd say.... 10% done on the rearsets, they aren't in enough form to see a product yet.

Thanks again, guys, for being so patient.

I check my personal email more frequently than the forum mail so if you want to send me an email to jhiscockwagner at yahoo.com feel free to. I'll respond asap.

-Jarrod
Old Oct 15, 2011 | 09:21 PM
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I voted for rear sets, with rear set adapters as a second.
Old Oct 25, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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I'm around your neck of the woods. If you need a guinea pig to test out the fork brace, drop me a line. I practically live on the bike.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 03:51 PM
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A quick update here, I'm meeting up with my machinist at 5:30 right now and he says he has a present for me!

So, once I okay the quality and test it out, I should be able to get a series of them cut for those who want some. I'll take pictures tonight if the present is what I think it is!

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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bass4dude
A quick update here, I'm meeting up with my machinist at 5:30 right now and he says he has a present for me!

So, once I okay the quality and test it out, I should be able to get a series of them cut for those who want some. I'll take pictures tonight if the present is what I think it is!

-Jarrod

Just curious. Do you have any plans to do rear sets or adaptors?
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by msethhunter
Just curious. Do you have any plans to do rear sets or adaptors?
The rearsets/adapter plates will be made available at the same time; so yes, the are in the works. Between projects for the CAD class, being a F/T college student and working 40 hrs a week between 2 jobs and sleeping (I guess that could be done in my calc class) its gotten challenging to have any spare time.

They'll require another 15-20 hours to finish; it's difficult because the mounting brackets between the engine/rearsets are different between each side so it's not a cut and paste operation.

It all stemmed because I forgot to bring some measuring tools to the shop one day and it just kept slipping my mind. They're still sitting next to the door

Now I've got metal lust; I've seen this made so now I will go ahead and dedicate free time to this.

As for the forkbrace, I have the basic outline but there was a hitch on the detail work and finishing because his mill decided to go bonkers. The -z plane stepper motor decided it wanted to die and anyways I ordered some nice new carbide bits for him so the time per piece should go down.

Stepper replacement bushings will be in early next week and my carbide bits should be in tomorrow You'll notice that it's missing the center cutout, this is just for weight and aesthetics, and that will get done as soon as the stepper is done. It could be done on a manual but there are some complex curves that would not be fun. Likewise, the chamfer bit that he had one of the flutes sheared off because he used it one too many times on S.S.

As for right now, I've got these basic pieces done and they're gonna get drilled/tapped tomorrow on the lathe.

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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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Alright guys, so there was some hitches along the line in terms of getting some more materials and we've had to fidget some stuff around in terms of various radius' and whatnot......


BUT.......
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These are hot off the presses and everything is looking pretty good.


They are going to be going on tomorrow when I'm at the shop (provided I can find some fasteners =p) so hopefully I'll have some pictures to take.

I'm also going to have the screw holes counterbored a little bit deeper, it seems there was a slight communication... but nonetheless, the CAM software is completely programmed and ready for requests.

There are 2 or 3 people (I'll need to double check my PM's) who have already put their name on a trial piece (I'll go ahead and PM those who "raised their hand" to let you know when I'll have some to send out)


Now that there is actually something to look at, if the people who are truly interested in having one of these braces please alert me, the more aluminium I buy the cheaper it will be for everyone.

Once again, as an update on the rear-sets, I haven't been able to make much movement on them but I am working just as quickly as I can and putting all the time I can dedicate to it.


And if someone wants to take some measurements for any other front ends that people would like a brace on, email me and I can get you a sheet to fill out so that I can get some in the works (and there will be a 10% off incentive to do so for any design that I don't have).

Right now I've got designs for an 86' GSXR 750, '84 VF1000F and a '79 CBX. If someone wants to send info over on the larger fork set-ups for our Superhawk or any bikes that you've got in the garage that you want fork braces for, let me know.


Once again,
thank you for being patient guys,
-Jarrod
Old Nov 17, 2011 | 01:34 PM
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Okay guys, haven't gotten any responses but here are some pictures of it on the bike.

(sorry about the picture quality, it's my phone)
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The only thing I can emphasize here is that when you install this, it is imperative that you re-align your brakes.

My bike was dropped by PO and the forks were tweaked a little bit and I adjusted the brakes accordingly, however, when I installed the brace, my left caliper was dragging a little bit. A little bit of fiddling (loosening caliper bolts and loosening axle pinch bolts, relieving pressure from the pads and rocking the bike back and forth while grabbing the brakes straightened it out) and now everything is straight and true.

First impressions were that steering was a hair heavier (almost unnoticeable- most likely was the brakes), but in line stability and high lean angle turns were monumentally improved. Where my front would usually walk out in turns, I now am glued to the road and the bike is solidly planted in the front. I'll note on tire wear later (I've got some pilot pures en route as we speak). I haven't had a chance to take it up in the twisties yet because the weather here is kinda dreary and as you can see from the gutter, there are leaves galore, which would only be compounded in the mountains.
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Now in terms of cost, like I said, the more pre-orders I get, the cheaper they will be.

As I'm not looking to make a profit on these, the costs below are what's going into this and what it's going to cost you to the door.

1. Material 6061 AU- 2"x5/8"-
(6 braces)- $15 per brace
(12 braces)- $10 per brace

2. Machine time-
(6 braces)- $100 per brace
(12 braces)- $80 per brace

3. Fasteners 2x(M6x65)+2x(M6x55) stainless allen head (no discount for quantity)- $1.94

actual shipping from 95050 to where ever you are. (min. dimensions, 12"x4")


Total per brace (min. 6 orders)-116.94+shipping
Total per brace (min. 12 orders)- 91.94+ shipping


Superbrace: $154+shipping

Now you can see why I need at least a general order because I don't want to buy enough for a round of 12 braces and only sell 3 of them...

if I get 12 orders I will need to take a small deposit for the machining (I'm not rich guys, I just don't wanna leave anyone with a sour taste).
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So far there are 2 people who have spoken to actually wanting one.

(and Karbon, I'll PM you about whether you'd wanna just test it out or keep it)

There were 18 people that voted on this so........ where are the other 16 now that there's one on the bike???

As a final note on this jazz, the brace weighs exactly 1lb.
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And I did speak with my anodizer and he said that it would cost around $10 per brace with a minimum of $60 per color. There again, the more orders per color, the cheaper it will be. If you want to collaborate on color schemes for the bike (I was thinking of offering red, black and clear). Polishing will be an extra $5-8$ and if you want a glass blasted finish, I can do that for free.

At some point it may get more elaborate in terms of anodizing and then laser etching, but that very well might just be a pipe dream as I'm dedicating most of my free time to getting the rear-sets done and don't have much time to take the classes for the etcher.

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The offer still stands for any other motorcycle that you'd like to see a brace on; 10% the final price. I just added a 2001 Katana 750 to the mix as well. At some point I will try to get a website set up with my Carb work on it too, but right now there aren't enough hours in the day as is.
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So please, email me if you're truly interested. I don't need nor want any "tire kickers" what I get in my inbox/on this post will determine the cost for everyone. If you can't buy it right now but are set on purchasing a brace in the (2wks-1mo.) future, please email me and we can figure something out.

I'm going to ride on this for another 2 weeks, send the "Testers" out and then once I get approval, I'll start taking orders.

Once again (and I'll try to keep this thread updated in terms of orders)
my personal email is"jhiscockwagner at yahoo.com". I can be reached on the forum or via that email.

Thanks again guys for being so patient.
-Jarrod
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 05:35 AM
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Any more updates on this project?
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Originally Posted by bass4dude
Okay guys, haven't gotten any responses but here are some pictures of it on the bike.

(sorry about the picture quality, it's my phone)



My bike was dropped by PO and the forks were tweaked a little bit and I adjusted the brakes accordingly, however, when I installed the brace, my left caliper was dragging a little bit. A little bit of fiddling (loosening caliper bolts and loosening axle pinch bolts, relieving pressure from the pads and rocking the bike back and forth while grabbing the brakes straightened it out) and now everything is straight and true.......
Judging by your front fender I'd say you still have some other fork issues to sort out.
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Originally Posted by Stevebis1
Any more updates on this project?
Sorry, no updates yet! This is exactly why I didn't take any money though

I got caught up doing some last minute "rush" show sets of carbs for around 6 guys around the US. I'm buttoning up the last one tomorrow and taking it to the shipper. I just can't justify taking time from my "paying" job to do something more (actually completely) on the non-profit side.

I really hope you guys understand that; I've been as clear and honest with everything that I've posted up here because I don't want to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth.

My schedule won't free up for another week when I'm done with finals, but I should be able to get some metal over to the machinist within the next few days (hopefully) and I'll have a few chopped up and sent out. Then hopefully I can at least get some CAD pictures for everyone to look at for the rear-sets; I'm still working with my machinist to get some of my .stl files to import and get a valid CAM profile but it's proving to be rather difficult because of the complexity of some of the designs.

But all the same guys,
Thanks again,
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 10:29 AM
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As it's fork brace time again, might as well dust of this old thread.....

https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...k-brace-23314/
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No worries, just wanted to make sure i had not missed anything. Appreciate your effort!
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Do you have any braces,would like to get one if possible.
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