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Old 05-30-2015, 08:26 AM
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Factory Pro +4 ignition advance rotor for...?

Because of my engine build, I can't use this Factory Pro +4 ignition advance rotor anymore. I wondered if anyone here with access to the right machines might want to take on making a couple dozen of these, or however many to make it profitable. Or heck, maybe scan it and make the data available.

Just thought I would throw it out there.

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Old 05-30-2015, 12:29 PM
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Dibs!

If you put one on top of the other, do the inner teeth line up? I would doubt it but at a long shot could you not just file another flat?
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Originally Posted by NZSpokes View Post
Dibs!

If you put one on top of the other, do the inner teeth line up? I would doubt it but at a long shot could you not just file another flat?
Here's a shot of the inner teeth lined up. You can see how the FP rotor is slightly different than stock.

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I'm not sure what you mean by your comment of filing another flat.

I removed this FP rotor, because I'm installing Webcams (grind #189), JE 11.5:1 pistons and ported heads in my engine. With other engine builds like this, it was recommended that the FP rotor be removed, because of too much advance. So, I swapped back to a stock rotor.

No calling dibs yet. Not sure what I'm doing with it in the future
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:49 AM
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Was it the second gen VTRs that did not benifit from the FP 4* advancer? Or some other mid year production change?
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by xeris View Post
Was it the second gen VTRs that did not benifit from the FP 4* advancer? Or some other mid year production change?
There was a really informative discussion on this topic...here.

And to make things interesting, check out post #13...here. So, you might have purchased an ignition advance rotor, but your engine is not being advanced at all.
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Old 05-31-2015, 09:50 AM
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I am great with CAD design in Solidworks and could draw a model of it that can be used to make blueprints for a machine shop

Looks like it is stamped possibly, could be hard to replicate to be honest
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Has anyone tried cutting out the center of a stock gear, spin it 4 degrees, and then welding it back together?

I just ordered 4 of the stock pieces from Partzilla. They're only about $7 each. I figure I can experiment a little.

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Old 04-25-2016, 05:00 AM
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I have several of the stockers laying around too. Never thought about cutting and welding the stock one. One thing to note, I am not sure you can just cut it and rotate it 4 degrees. But now you have me curious. I will look on the Factory Pro gear and see how far it is rotated compared to stock. It wouldn't be very hard to cut the center out with a hole saw and then tig weld it back together.
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Originally Posted by Braymond View Post
Has anyone tried cutting out the center of a stock gear, spin it 4 degrees, and then welding it back together?

I just ordered 4 of the stock pieces from Partzilla. They're only about $7 each. I figure I can experiment a little.

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I count 25 splines so if shifted by 1 tooth timing would change by 360/5= 14.4 degrees.
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Crux,

Please explain what mysteries lurk in your new engine that facilitates removal of the ignition advancer!

Just curious of course.
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Originally Posted by kenmoore View Post
Crux,

Please explain what mysteries lurk in your new engine that facilitates removal of the ignition advancer!

Just curious of course.
I haven't removed the ignition rotor. With my new engine build, I just replaced the Factory Pro part with the stock part. I read that it isn't a good idea to run these cams and high compression pistons with the ignition advanced.

Concerning cutting and welding the stock rotor, it's four degrees of crankshaft rotation.
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:35 AM
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Here is a photo of mine with part numbers.
The seller of my current VTR said "Oh yeah, I have this too.Never did install it."
I think I will hang on to it for now.
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I'm toying with the idea of contacting one of my pals who used to work for HRC and trying to obtain the mapping data for the ECU and using that to have mine flashed locally. The initial advance of 4 degrees works really well, but needs to be retarded back to stock or maybe even slightly below stock above say 4,500rpm. A fixed mechanical advancer can't do that...
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If that falls through, I have a HRC unit that you can copy the data from. Just as long as it doesn't get erased, I don't mind helping out.

*In fact, isn't there a company that does a custom tune to your ICU? I am pretty sure there is a thread on here about this.


*I appologize if any of the above information is incorrect. I just had two small surgeries and I'm tripping ***** on pain killers.
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If there's a thread here on ICU/ECU tuning/re-flashing I can't find it.

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Originally Posted by Braymond View Post
If there's a thread here on ICU/ECU tuning/re-flashing I can't find it.

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something is written here, starting on page 4 in the middle by MK_WF.
www.vtr1000.org ? View topic - Red storm dyno - hp on engine


In short, you can just buy Ignitech unit with stock map for VTR1000F, and do whatever map you want. FP 4 deg advancer is a bit outdated technology ... :-)
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Originally Posted by Stephan View Post
something is written here, starting on page 4 in the middle by MK_WF.
www.vtr1000.org ? View topic - Red storm dyno - hp on engine


In short, you can just buy Ignitech unit with stock map for VTR1000F, and do whatever map you want. FP 4 deg advancer is a bit outdated technology ... :-)
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which Ignitech did you buy and use?

Do you have a part number for the specific one that was plug and play?
programmable ignition units
SPARKER TCIP4 (standard) $141
SPARKER TCIP4 (full version) $149
SPARKER HONDA TCI $145
SPARKER RACING 3 $217
SPARKER DC-CDI-P $154
SPARKER DC-CDI-P1 race $162
SPARKER DC-CDI-P2 $162
PARKER DC-CDI-P2 RACE $192
Prices for any of them are reasonable, so Im only concerned with getting the right box.

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Erik: I bought TCIP4 (standard) specified for Honda VTR1000F. There was preload stock map, and the same connector as on original CDI. Just plug and play. Then you need USB to serial adapter that is working (with FTDI chip) and connect it with computer. Nothing really difficult.
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Originally Posted by Stephan View Post
Erik: I bought TCIP4 (standard) specified for Honda VTR1000F. There was preload stock map, and the same connector as on original CDI. Just plug and play. Then you need USB to serial adapter that is working (with FTDI chip) and connect it with computer. Nothing really difficult.
Outstanding, thank you.
Seeing as this is a better option then the unavailable advancer at only slightly more $$..what the heck

Email sent to order, now I wait for a reply
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Crux, I PM'd you.

Call me tomorrow...
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Originally Posted by skokievtr View Post
Crux, I PM'd you.

Call me tomorrow...
Oops. I replied to your PM before I saw this.
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Originally Posted by E.Marquez View Post
Outstanding, thank you.
Seeing as this is a better option then the unavailable advancer at only slightly more $$..what the heck

Email sent to order, now I wait for a reply
Did you get a response to your inquiry? If so will you provide me with the email that you used. I am not able to find more than the description page for the TCIP4. Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by xeris View Post
Did you get a response to your inquiry? If so will you provide me with the email that you used. I am not able to find more than the description page for the TCIP4. Thanks in advance.
Hello,

Has original unit 16 or 22 pin connector ?
We can offer programmable unit TCIP4 standard with connector adapter.

unit TCIP4 standard 141 USD
connector adapter 21 USD
Freightage DHL 52 USD

Useful accessories is USB/COM cable for connection to PC 15 USD

Payment method is card payment or PayPal.
Should we send invoice to you ?
We will also need to know your phone number for forwarder.

Regards.

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Originally Posted by E.Marquez View Post
Hello,

Has original unit 16 or 22 pin connector ?
We can offer programmable unit TCIP4 standard with connector adapter.

unit TCIP4 standard 141 USD
connector adapter 21 USD
Freightage DHL 52 USD

Useful accessories is USB/COM cable for connection to PC 15 USD

Payment method is card payment or PayPal.
Should we send invoice to you ?
We will also need to know your phone number for forwarder.

Regards.

Jiri Krejzl
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Thanks,
I turned my brain on and easily found the full web site.
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Programmable ECU

Originally Posted by xeris View Post
Thanks,
I turned my brain on and easily found the full web site.
So has anyone actually bought and programmed one of these ECU's. If so did you do the programming while on a dyno to measure the results of changing the ignition advance/return curve?
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