If you have not replaced CCT- DO IT NOW!
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Sexual Daredevil
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From: Mother Earth- orbiting around Charlotte, NC. But now over the border in S.C.
All is good. Test ride went well. Seems to have better off idle response. Photos of the new(to me) high mounts comming.
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All the bikes I see with this problem seem to be 98 models.
Should start a thread/sticky with your model year and the mileage when your CCT failed.
I just hit 11k, so I'm not too worried about the issue...around 30k, if I still have my Hawk, I'll start getting nervous.
Should start a thread/sticky with your model year and the mileage when your CCT failed.
I just hit 11k, so I'm not too worried about the issue...around 30k, if I still have my Hawk, I'll start getting nervous.
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I figure I should tack on to this current thread instead of starting a new one...
While riding to work a couple days ago, I noticed a strange sound coming from below me. It reminded me of a flat tire - kind of a dull, rapid clacking. It seemed to only present itself when I would accelerate between 3 and 4k rpm. I could not detect it below or above that general range, and it would only do it while under load. I came home after work and revved the motor a bunch of times and couldn't reproduce it.
I noticed the claking within the first minute I was on the bike. I immediately started doing low speed swerves to see if my tires flat at all, but all felt okay. It had seemed like it could have been the chain and sprockets, but after a few downshifts, I decided it was rpm dependent, although I suppose that may not rule out chain and sprockets which have a tad over 10K mi on them.
I'm just wondering if it seems like this could be an impending CCT failure. Any thoughts? The bike is parked for now, but I'd like to be able to ride it soon without fear of bending a bunch of valves. Any input is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
While riding to work a couple days ago, I noticed a strange sound coming from below me. It reminded me of a flat tire - kind of a dull, rapid clacking. It seemed to only present itself when I would accelerate between 3 and 4k rpm. I could not detect it below or above that general range, and it would only do it while under load. I came home after work and revved the motor a bunch of times and couldn't reproduce it.
I noticed the claking within the first minute I was on the bike. I immediately started doing low speed swerves to see if my tires flat at all, but all felt okay. It had seemed like it could have been the chain and sprockets, but after a few downshifts, I decided it was rpm dependent, although I suppose that may not rule out chain and sprockets which have a tad over 10K mi on them.
I'm just wondering if it seems like this could be an impending CCT failure. Any thoughts? The bike is parked for now, but I'd like to be able to ride it soon without fear of bending a bunch of valves. Any input is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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You've been around here for a while Scoober so if you're looking at 16k to 18k on the clock it's time. This really is not to be fucked with or dally'd about. I saved my Superhawk but I crushed the valve train on my Prelude by not paying attention. It killed me. Such a fun little car.
It, absolutely, renders the vehicle to worthless or expensive/intensive repairs.
It, absolutely, renders the vehicle to worthless or expensive/intensive repairs.
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I figure I should tack on to this current thread instead of starting a new one...
While riding to work a couple days ago, I noticed a strange sound coming from below me. It reminded me of a flat tire - kind of a dull, rapid clacking. It seemed to only present itself when I would accelerate between 3 and 4k rpm. I could not detect it below or above that general range, and it would only do it while under load. I came home after work and revved the motor a bunch of times and couldn't reproduce it.
I noticed the claking within the first minute I was on the bike. I immediately started doing low speed swerves to see if my tires flat at all, but all felt okay. It had seemed like it could have been the chain and sprockets, but after a few downshifts, I decided it was rpm dependent, although I suppose that may not rule out chain and sprockets which have a tad over 10K mi on them.
I'm just wondering if it seems like this could be an impending CCT failure. Any thoughts? The bike is parked for now, but I'd like to be able to ride it soon without fear of bending a bunch of valves. Any input is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
While riding to work a couple days ago, I noticed a strange sound coming from below me. It reminded me of a flat tire - kind of a dull, rapid clacking. It seemed to only present itself when I would accelerate between 3 and 4k rpm. I could not detect it below or above that general range, and it would only do it while under load. I came home after work and revved the motor a bunch of times and couldn't reproduce it.
I noticed the claking within the first minute I was on the bike. I immediately started doing low speed swerves to see if my tires flat at all, but all felt okay. It had seemed like it could have been the chain and sprockets, but after a few downshifts, I decided it was rpm dependent, although I suppose that may not rule out chain and sprockets which have a tad over 10K mi on them.
I'm just wondering if it seems like this could be an impending CCT failure. Any thoughts? The bike is parked for now, but I'd like to be able to ride it soon without fear of bending a bunch of valves. Any input is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
That said, APE's are $50/ea. A little peace of mind and some preventative maintainence is all it will give you, but it's well worth it knowing that CCT failure is a real problem regardless if Honda will acknowledge it or not.
looking back, i wish i had gotten my friend's video camera/mic and stuff and made a short video. i've seen lots of questions on this forum from the lucky ones that were given some warning before failure "is this what they sound like?" dunno about anybody else but personally whenever I see a superhawk out in the wild and I can chat with the owner I usually head towards the CCT question.
Last edited by Unclutchable; Oct 24, 2008 at 08:24 PM.
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Just finished installing and adjusting the A.P.E. CCTs on my '03. No more BB's in the beer can sound when I ease off the throttle. I feel better.
Did the rear cylinder with the cam cover off. Chain was pretty tight with adjuster finger tight. Figured it was OK to leave it that way (it was).
Did the front without removing cam cover. Thought finger tight good for rear equals finger tight good for front. Wrong. Fired it up and front clacked like all hell.
Ended up with the rear finger tight and the front finger tight plus 1.5 to 1.75 more turns in.
Anybody know why it would be different for each cylinder?
Did the rear cylinder with the cam cover off. Chain was pretty tight with adjuster finger tight. Figured it was OK to leave it that way (it was).
Did the front without removing cam cover. Thought finger tight good for rear equals finger tight good for front. Wrong. Fired it up and front clacked like all hell.
Ended up with the rear finger tight and the front finger tight plus 1.5 to 1.75 more turns in.
Anybody know why it would be different for each cylinder?
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In regard to anyone thinking they may have a problem, just replace them. On mine it turns out I bent all four valves. I'm having a shop rebuild my heads for me. The exhaust valves are about $70 a piece and the intake more like $25. Either way when this is all said and done it will cost me probably $750, new gaskets, apes, top end rebuild; and that's with me doing most of the work. If you're worried about a noise don't ask us, just change out to manual CCTs and be done with it.
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I must ask if you forgot to turn the engine before replacing the front CCT, or turned the engine the wrong way or perhaps to the wrong timing mark? I can think of no other reason, other than the possibility that the front CCT was already sloppy to begin with and you did this procedure before a catastrophic failure could occur.
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I must ask if you forgot to turn the engine before replacing the front CCT, or turned the engine the wrong way or perhaps to the wrong timing mark? I can think of no other reason, other than the possibility that the front CCT was already sloppy to begin with and you did this procedure before a catastrophic failure could occur.
I was careful to bring each cylinder's piston to tdc before replacing the ccts. I'm certain I did it right because the rattle is gone and the bike is running fantastic.
I would assume more wear up front since that's where the noise was coming from, so would explain maybe needing to turn the front manual cct in farther to REACH finger tight.
Still don't understand why front would require more tension PAST finger tight than the rear cylinder.
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So is it me? I'm 50 this year and ready to buy a bike after 16 years w/o one. My last was a new '86 vf750 interceptor. Which gave me plenty of great rides up the winding Taconic State PKWY before it's transformation into an engagement ring. Big mistake. Now many years later I find myself looking for a ride again. My friends have Harleys. Not my style. I'm puttering around looking for dream bikes....Norton, Ducati, Guzzi. All crazy money. I See this Kawasaki '80's KZ1300 perfect condition naked thing at starbucks one day and say, "yeah maybe". I start reading about 'em at a related web site and I get scared off by the moderator screaming about the cct that WILL FAIL and turn the bike into an anchor. Then I see it. A VTR 1000. Let's see, V twin, "Poor man's Ducati", Dead sexy '98 with 4300 miles, $2500.00. What's the problem? I'm a proud owner. Boy do I love this bike! Now the CCT thing all over? What gives? When should I change 'em?
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I'd recommend changing them when you do a valve check since everything is apart already, or since you mentioned the Taconic State parkway, I assume your in NY or CT.... which means in 1 month, you'll have plenty of time to do it when it's 25 degrees out there!!!
J.
J.
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Sexual Daredevil
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Glad to see so many people are replacing the CCTs. Nice to know that a good warning is preventing many catastrophes from happening. Hope everyone sleeps better at night now. I know I do. Lesson learned.
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