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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumper
I installed the six pot GSXR calipers and have an 07 GSXR1000 Radial Front Master cylinder and lever assy. on the way from Ebay. I am excited about trying the Radial Master cylinder with its improved plunger location.
Mmmmm, waiting for the ride report on this.
Old Mar 4, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Let you know in about a week, assuming the weather is good. It was 75 here in TN Sunday and Monday and now it is 28 degrees.

Some of the WERA guys i know suggested the Yamaha R6 2005 or later Radial MC, but i kept chasing them at over $100 on ebay.
I picked up a similar GSXR 1000 one for half that price in mint condition.

The old VTR MC is just not powerful enough for these big Six Pot calipers.

I am actually hoping that i can re-route the excess SS line length to allow me to still use the ones i have. If not i will be ebay shopping for some Radial configured SS lines.
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Anybody know anything about the F4 calipers? They look similar to F4i cali, but appear to have a cutout like stock VTR calipers.
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F4 calipers are identical to F4i calipers. If they have a cutout, they have been modified because they don't come that way from the factory. The sizes of the caliper pistons for the various Honda models are listed somewhere in this thread.
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Originally Posted by BenjaminVFR750
Thanks guy for all the awesome advice XLSR-VRT1 I am in your shoes to much goodness to choose! I will be posting up some pics of my upcoming mod soon enough before my track day here in about two weeks. Hopefully all will go well!!

Hey XLSR My bro lives in ballard and rides a VFR you got alot of guys you ride with up there?
Wheres here? what track day? anyway i'll be starting my parts hunting soon too. Look forward to your pics.

As for your bro, yes Im the pres of my club XLSR, Xtreme Lean Sport Riders. We are about 50 people and a core of 25. We are street riders, track junkies and have a race team. We are not freeway monkey's but like to have a little fun in the right places. Mostly we promote safe riding and doing track days if you want to tear it up. Anyway, if he'd like more info our web pages are on my personal info page or pm me. Cheers!
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Inderocker and Skokievtr, thanks for those pics! That helps. How did you do the machine work? Drill press?

Thumper you should post a pic of that setup, Im curious how that looks, I wonder if my TLR calipers will bolt to my VTR... Also there is a guy here who may be interested in your ss lines, he already asked me about mine. I'll pm ya.
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Originally Posted by XLSR-VTR1
Inderocker and Skokievtr, thanks for those pics! That helps. How did you do the machine work? Drill press?
Die grinder and a carbide bit.
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Originally Posted by killer5280
F4 calipers are identical to F4i calipers. If they have a cutout, they have been modified because they don't come that way from the factory. The sizes of the caliper pistons for the various Honda models are listed somewhere in this thread.
no they are not piston size wise, the F4's are smaller see above a ways
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I'm the guy who compiled the list. I think they're the same, but if you have different info let us know.

https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...537#post136537
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Originally Posted by killer5280
I'm the guy who compiled the list. I think they're the same, but if you have different info let us know.

https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...537#post136537
You could be right, I'll dbl-ck...

Well the part numbers for the 1999 & 2000 CBR600F4 front brake caliper pistons are the same

http://www.powersedge.com/pages/part...d/7/Honda.aspx

but are different than the 2001~2006 CBR600F4i front brake caliper pistons

that are the same

http://www.powersedge.com/pages/part...d/7/Honda.aspx


The pistons also have different part numbers

so you tell me?

BTW the pads are the same # 06455-MBW except the F4 last # is -066 and F4i -E11. Interstingly, the RC5100 & 01 pads have diff #s but the 02 RC51 pads are the same as the F4i but the 01 RC pistons and 02 pistons are diff but not the same as either the F4 or F4i...

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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 102dals
Anybody know anything about the F4 calipers? They look similar to F4i cali, but appear to have a cutout like stock VTR calipers.
My F4i calipers did not have the "cutouts" and had to be milled but did have the 34/32 mm pistons. Your calipers (whatever they are from) have been milled. What size are your pistons?
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The pic is from a set I'm watching on eBay. Maybe worth a try if the price is right....
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Originally Posted by 102dals
The pic is from a set I'm watching on eBay. Maybe worth a try if the price is right....
I have become very leary of where a seller says an item actually comes from (i.e., year and model), and what condition they/it really are/is in.

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Originally Posted by skokievtr
You could be right, I'll dbl-ck...

Well the part numbers for the 1999 & 2000 CBR600F4 front brake caliper pistons are the same

http://www.powersedge.com/pages/part...d/7/Honda.aspx

but are different than the 2001~2006 CBR600F4i front brake caliper pistons

that are the same

http://www.powersedge.com/pages/part...d/7/Honda.aspx


The pistons also have different part numbers

so you tell me?

BTW the pads are the same # 06455-MBW except the F4 last # is -066 and F4i -E11. Interstingly, the RC5100 & 01 pads have diff #s but the 02 RC51 pads are the same as the F4i but the 01 RC pistons and 02 pistons are diff but not the same as either the F4 or F4i...
The service manuals for the F4 and F4i show the caliper pistons being the same size. Honda may have used a coating or something on the pistons of the F4i calipers to give better braking performance (hence the different part number), but they are the same size as the F4. The pads from all these calipers (929,954, RC51, 600RR, F4, F4i etc.) are interchangeable. They may have played around with the compounds from model to model, but the pads share the same physical dimensions.
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Originally Posted by XLSR-VTR1
Im curious how that looks, I wonder if my TLR calipers will bolt to my VTR... .

the tlr calipers will not even come close to working,i tried taking the calipers off my tlr and mounting is totally different.
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Smile Finished the mod ..finally

WOW! just got back from a late night jaunt around the 'hood' and wow!

I installed some GSXR 6pots, some Galfer Lines and flushed all the fluids out the old beotch and I tell ya it feels great!

Bleeding was a tough chore. I am sure Ill bleed em some tomorrow again just for safe measure. It seems evertime I tap, hit, bump or bounce the bike more are comes out of those silly little nipples!

Thanks for all the great advice!
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Originally Posted by BenjaminVFR750
WOW! just got back from a late night jaunt around the 'hood' and wow!

I installed some GSXR 6pots, some Galfer Lines and flushed all the fluids out the old beotch and I tell ya it feels great!

Bleeding was a tough chore. I am sure Ill bleed em some tomorrow again just for safe measure. It seems evertime I tap, hit, bump or bounce the bike more are comes out of those silly little nipples!

Thanks for all the great advice!
Don't use SpeedBleeders, use the yellow gas line teflon tape (2 stretched wraps and chase into threads with fingernail), a MityVac and use an old inner tube band or zip-tie to gently pull-in the lever overnight if needed. Then its a 10 minute job.
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Has anybody used a PFM brakes setup for the VTR?
http://www.pfmbrakes.com/

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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 98blackhawk
the tlr calipers will not even come close to working,i tried taking the calipers off my tlr and mounting is totally different.
Yeah I took a peek at the tiller and its different. Im curious about the 6 pot gixer cali's though.... Nice bikes! I should get a decent shot of my two bikes together too.. although my tiller is just for racing, and i cant wait!
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Originally Posted by BenjaminVFR750
WOW! just got back from a late night jaunt around the 'hood' and wow!

I installed some GSXR 6pots, some Galfer Lines and flushed all the fluids out the old beotch and I tell ya it feels great!

Bleeding was a tough chore. I am sure Ill bleed em some tomorrow again just for safe measure. It seems evertime I tap, hit, bump or bounce the bike more are comes out of those silly little nipples!

Thanks for all the great advice!
Well... let us see.......
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Hey guys, I got a line on a set of 03 gixer 750 calipers, all I see here is 00-02 gixer 1k references. I was told the 01-03 750 calipers are the same, anyone know if they will fit?

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Well i got the Ebay Master Cylinder Yesterday. 2006 GSXR 1000 Radial unit. I thought i would need to get new SS lines as mine current ones would not reach the new banjo bolt postion. Well i was wrong, with a little mod hear and there i was able to get the new MC installed using my existing lines.

Still got to take her out for a ride, but i can tell a huge improvement over the Stock MC. So now my setup is Stock Rotors, 2002 GSXR 1000 6 pot calipers, and 2006 GSXR 1000 Radial Master Cylinder.

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Thumper, got any pictures of the GSXR Calipers mounted? I'm bidding on a set on Ebay, so I'm trying to get everything together that I will need.

Right now I'm bone stock.
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Someone knows which are the pistons size of 2001 gsxr 6 pots ?
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'01-'02 GSX-R caliper piston diameters are 24mm / 27mm

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yep, small
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Hey Skokie, what's wrong with SpeedBleeders?
I have a set & they simplify the process somewhat.....
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Originally Posted by 102dals
Hey Skokie, what's wrong with SpeedBleeders?
I have a set & they simplify the process somewhat.....
It is not a matter of something wrong with Speedbleeders perse (though I'd recommend getting the stainless steel units over the standard carbon steel ones). The issue is pumping your master cylinder to bleed the system. Whereas Greg may disagree, I know from experieince pumping the MC strokes the piston into the bottom of the cylinder bore where all sorts of nasty crud lives not normally visited. This crud and possibly oxidation can tear the o-rings on the piston with bad results. Furthermore, tightening and loosening the bleed nipple several times using the pump & wrench method (though less so with a Speedbleeder) ruins the thread sealant or teflon tape quickly and makes it more difficult to keep air out. Using a MityVac or pressure type bleeding equipment obviates touching the lever and pumping the piston into the bottom of the MC bore but the spring pressure of a Speedbleeder check (ball) valve cannot be overcome my a vacuum bleeder. with a MityVac, it takes me 15 minutes to set up and bleed the front brakes and 5 minutes more to do the clutch, which is a bit trickier; the rear is another 7 because its awkward getting to the nipple. Its also a lot easier to bleed any empty system by vacuum or with pressure.

Tip 1: When simply bleeding to flush a system, suck out the old fluid in the resevoir before adding fresh with the MityVac or small turkey baster (do not get the fluid in the rubber bulb). Tip 2: For bleed nipple thread sealing, the yellow teflon tape for gas lines is better than the white but regardless chase the tape into the threads after winding counterclockwise 2 laps max. Do not use hardening type thread sealants. Speedbleeders come with a non-hardening thread sealant that is good for 2 or, at most, 3 careful bleeds and then must be replaced. They sell it in a bottle but their last supplier screwed up with a bad batch and they are looking for a new vendor. It is expensive compared to teflon tape. Tip 3: Do not over-tighten the bleeder nipple whatever you do; the pump & wrench method makes this difficult not to do because rapid closing of the bleeder nipple minimizes air bubbles.

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+1 on the teflon tape and mityvac. GREATLY reduces time and effort. I've had one set of speedbleeders and they do what they promise.
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Originally Posted by superbling
+1 on the teflon tape and mityvac. GREATLY reduces time and effort. I've had one set of speedbleeders and they do what they promise.
Are you saying you were able to use a Mityvac on a Speedbleeder?



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