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Old Sep 8, 2020 | 07:16 AM
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DMr or Lindemann?

So I'm in the process of doing to s if maintenance and some upgrades to the '98SH.
Im wanting to have the forks rebuilt and rear shock replaced with the Penske w/ reservoir or the Ohlins as they're priced about the same.

Ive read many threads in this forum about the above upgrades and have reached out to both DMr and Lindemann about their services and product.

So I'm now reaching out to you guys that have been here and done these mods to get an opinion on which shock may be better and who would be the better company for the fork rebuild.

Quick bio I'm 6 foot and weigh about 220.
I plan on mostly street but may do a track day or two to get some experience on track and to learn the finer aspects of riding. I may even attend a riding school. Closest track to me is the NOLA Motorsports about 50 miles away.

Im not so much worried about the cost but searching really doesn't give me the answers I'm looking for about the differences and preferences of the two companies I'm wanting to have work done.
Ohlins or Penske and why.
Any links to previous conversations appreciated.
Thanks.
Old Sep 8, 2020 | 06:41 PM
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Jamie (DMr)has been with the forum for a loooong time and has an excellent reputation. I would highly recommend you get hooked up with him. Many satisfied Hawkers would back me up if they were still active here.

And to be 100% honest, I've never heard of Lindemann. I've been Hawkin' since 07.
Old Sep 8, 2020 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolverine
Jamie (DMr)has been with the forum for a loooong time and has an excellent reputation. I would highly recommend you get hooked up with him. Many satisfied Hawkers would back me up if they were still active here.

And to be 100% honest, I've never heard of Lindemann. I've been Hawkin' since 07.
Here's the website for the Lindemann Engineering.
Motorcycle Race Suspension - Lindemann Engineering

They have a good history on their revalving front forks and sell the Penske rear shock.
Ed Sorbo was the first to answer my inquiry and then today Jamie also answered my questions about my setup.

The Penske with reservoir is $1145 and full fork upgrade is $580.

Jamie's BD40 is $795 and their full fork service is the same at $580.

Ive done some more searching this evening about both and I'm still on the fence.
I could save that $400 with getting Jamie's setup and get that 520 16/43 chain set I've been looking at. 😂😉

Ohlins was on the list also as it seems like the benchmark of all shocks.
Ive got a week to make a decision but it's one of the hardest to make.
Building cars is so much easier. 😜
Old Sep 9, 2020 | 07:20 AM
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My .4316 peso is to, what ever brand you choose, is to bias the shock and fork tuning for a plush ride on the street. If it wallows a bit on the track, so be it.
Old Sep 9, 2020 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by xeris
My .4316 peso is to, what ever brand you choose, is to bias the shock and fork tuning for a plush ride on the street. If it wallows a bit on the track, so be it.
Superhawk,, wallow??

@ the time I was about 185/190 fully geared up and I went with an .85 front spring. I wouldn’t change a thing, been very happy to this point.
Old Sep 9, 2020 | 02:53 PM
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Jim Lindemann was a top-rated suspension tuner used by many AMA pro racers back in the day (80's, 90's & up). He rebuilt the Fox shock on my '85 FZ750. I believe Jim himself passed away but the company is carrying on.

Regarding the Ohlins, I don't believe it offers ride-height adjustment while I believe the Penske does (although one can add a spacer at top of shock). Ride-height allows the rear of the bike to be adjusted taller or lower independent of spring-preload setting.

Most important thing for any shock (or fork) is to get the correct spring for your weight & riding style (street, track, etc.) with the suspension (shock or fork) correctly valved to suit the selected spring.

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Old Sep 9, 2020 | 03:49 PM
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In the late 80's early 90's we raced CCS EBC Endurance as Team Magic. Lindemann was our go to guy. After he passed we started using Cogent Dynamics. Have used them exclusively for 30 years for street and race.
YMMV
Old Sep 9, 2020 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolverine
Superhawk,, wallow??

@ the time I was about 185/190 fully geared up and I went with an .85 front spring. I wouldn’t change a thing, been very happy to this point.
I get what your saying, point I’m trying to make is better a little soft with good damping than a too stiff set up for the street
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Both the Penske from Lindemann and the BD40 from Jamie have the adjustable ride height on their shocks.
They're both quite similar to each other on the adjustability aspect of the product but there's about $400 difference in price between the two.

Im leaning a bit more to the Jamie setup because of the pricing and the many people that seem to like the product.
I'll be reaching out to Jamie with a few more questions about the setup I'm wanting and yes both companies do setup the suspensions according to the rider weight.

I can do the mcct's while the bike is down, check the valve clearance, and do some general maintenance as well while it's all torn apart.
Dang acct's started all this and put the scare in me even though I've already taken her on the maiden voyage. Better safe than sorry though and I'm thankful for the SHforums and the VTR1000.org for all the information. 🙏🏽
Should be fun though but I'm so ready to ride it and get more acquainted with my new steed. 👍 😍

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Old Sep 9, 2020 | 08:54 PM
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Like you I pondered about what back shock to get.

I use my bike over a wide range of conditions . I went with Jamie and have no regrets.

I am in Australia and our roads aren't the best and the Dmr has handled everything I threw at it from track to rough dirt roads..

Go with Jamie, you will love it.
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Originally Posted by kenmoore
Like you I pondered about what back shock to get.

I use my bike over a wide range of conditions . I went with Jamie and have no regrets.

I am in Australia and our roads aren't the best and the Dmr has handled everything I threw at it from track to rough dirt roads..

Go with Jamie, you will love it.
Yeah I've pretty much made up my mind on Jamie's setup.
It's amazing how much you think about when driving a Freightliner around the country. 😂
Project car will be on hold until I get the bike done and ready to ride. That was the whole purpose of getting the bike so I had something to get around on ( and have some fun🤷🏼‍♂️) while the car is tore down for modifications.

I'll be contacting Jamie to get the rear shock ready and when I get home tear down the front end and get the forks ready for shipping.
This will be a fun learning experience for sure. 😜
Thanks all. 🙏🏽👍
Old Sep 10, 2020 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by misnblu
Yeah I've pretty much made up my mind on Jamie's setup.
It's amazing how much you think about when driving a Freightliner around the country. 😂
Project car will be on hold until I get the bike done and ready to ride. That was the whole purpose of getting the bike so I had something to get around on ( and have some fun🤷🏼‍♂️) while the car is tore down for modifications.

I'll be contacting Jamie to get the rear shock ready and when I get home tear down the front end and get the forks ready for shipping.
This will be a fun learning experience for sure. 😜
Thanks all. 🙏🏽👍
You will not regret it.



Old Sep 10, 2020 | 06:37 PM
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Yup I sent Jamie an email to get the shock going and I'll be sending in the forks for rework.

I figured while the bike is apart I may as well take advantage of it and ordered a bunch of parts.
Stainless brake lines and clutch line, front and rear wheel bearings, and steering stem tapered bearing replacements.

Being 22 years old I feel better replacing items now than having to worry about replacing later.
Should be fun when it's all done. Can't wait.
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