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Old 08-21-2010, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by calitoz View Post
I'm guessing he was responding to my post...

And yeah, it might have been vague... But if you are "old enough" on the forum it's fairly logical...

Trace the origins of the bike that 2whltuner posted images of, and you find that it's the very same bike built by Brian Light... And that is either the first bike with an SSS conversion, or at the very least the first documented build... And it predates me registering on this forum by a few years, having been sold, re-sold and discussed many times over... Hence my comment on "full circle"...
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tweety View Post
I'm guessing he was responding to my post...

And yeah, it might have been vague... But if you are "old enough" on the forum it's fairly logical...

Trace the origins of the bike that 2whltuner posted images of, and you find that it's the very same bike built by Brian Light... And that is either the first bike with an SSS conversion, or at the very least the first documented build... And it predates me registering on this forum by a few years, having been sold, re-sold and discussed many times over... Hence my comment on "full circle"...

No tweety. It wasn't direct at you. I knew exactly what you meant....
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:25 PM
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Well... quoting is a bitch sometimes... I meant ima98chickenhawk...
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Old 03-10-2011, 02:23 PM
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yeah tweet sorry. it took me finding images of both the swing arms(vfr750 and 800) to understand what you meant by different configuration, now that i have seen them i get why it seemed like a sufficient answer because it is blatantly obvious. i didn't know what i was looking for so the responses seemed like ya'll were kinda blowin me off. my bad dude.
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I think the bike looks better now...... But I might be jaded.
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:47 PM
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750 arm below









800 arm below

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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
I think the bike looks better now...... But I might be jaded.
If you don't mind me asking, who makes that lower fairing? It fits the Super Hawk so much better than any other lower fairing's I have seen. The front wheel radius fits the stock lines perfectly, I like it. Beautiful bike!
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:05 PM
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The whole fairing is Mario Nava carbon fiber. If you look closely the upper isn't stock either. It has different lines, less curvy than stock. This lower wouldn't mate up to the stock upper. Slightly more italian to me.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by calitoz View Post
Step 4: (Linkage Plate and dog bone)

The shock linkage plate and the done bone must be fabricated. I am going to post Brianís drawing along with the dog bone. This is required since the VTR dog bone cannot be used.


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ok so i have my sssa and rim i have the drawing for the linkage plate at a local machine shop getting it done right the first time to avoid headache but i cant seem to find any image or drawing of the dog bone with a measurement you were talking about.

how long does it need to be? if anyone knows it would be greatly appreciated.
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Not sure how this thread got resurrected but I actually own the original of Brian Lights SSS bikes. With all due respect, that setup wasn really not well built and was in the process of failing at the aluminum triangles which already had elongated holes from not being strong enuff to begin with.

I have a friend who is a bikebuilder with a machine shop and when I took him the bike to do some custom header work (I was installing a penske and needed clearance) he said he didnt want me to ride the bike due to the linkage failure.

He rebuilt the whole thing in a non failable sort of way and its way better now. I can take pics if anyone wants them. PM me
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
Not sure how this thread got resurrected but I actually own the original of Brian Lights SSS bikes. With all due respect, that setup wasn really not well built and was in the process of failing at the aluminum triangles which already had elongated holes from not being strong enuff to begin with.

I have a friend who is a bikebuilder with a machine shop and when I took him the bike to do some custom header work (I was installing a penske and needed clearance) he said he didnt want me to ride the bike due to the linkage failure.

He rebuilt the whole thing in a non failable sort of way and its way better now. I can take pics if anyone wants them. PM me
Posting pics would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
Not sure how this thread got resurrected but I actually own the original of Brian Lights SSS bikes. With all due respect, that setup wasn really not well built and was in the process of failing at the aluminum triangles which already had elongated holes from not being strong enuff to begin with.

I have a friend who is a bikebuilder with a machine shop and when I took him the bike to do some custom header work (I was installing a penske and needed clearance) he said he didnt want me to ride the bike due to the linkage failure.

He rebuilt the whole thing in a non failable sort of way and its way better now. I can take pics if anyone wants them. PM me
yeah i just wanted to know the little things like this. so im going to switch the material from aluminium to steel and as far as a measurement on the dog bone .. how long does it need to be and i can use aluminium for the material for the dog bone correct?
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
Not sure how this thread got resurrected but I actually own the original of Brian Lights SSS bikes. With all due respect, that setup wasn really not well built and was in the process of failing at the aluminum triangles which already had elongated holes from not being strong enuff to begin with.

I have a friend who is a bikebuilder with a machine shop and when I took him the bike to do some custom header work (I was installing a penske and needed clearance) he said he didnt want me to ride the bike due to the linkage failure.

He rebuilt the whole thing in a non failable sort of way and its way better now. I can take pics if anyone wants them. PM me

perhaps it is the quality of the aluminum itself is the problem. As with all custom fabrications, the end result quality is highly dependent on the materials used and skill set. OEM r&d is what we sometimes fail to respect. As for the dog bone, I will measure when I get back home. On that note, I would suggest instead of a fixed length, you should consider making adjustable one instead. A design similar to adjustable camber arms for cars. This will allow much more flexibility.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by calitoz View Post
perhaps it is the quality of the aluminum itself is the problem. As with all custom fabrications, the end result quality is highly dependent on the materials used and skill set. OEM r&d is what we sometimes fail to respect. As for the dog bone, I will measure when I get back home. On that note, I would suggest instead of a fixed length, you should consider making adjustable one instead. A design similar to adjustable camber arms for cars. This will allow much more flexibility.
yeah i cant imagine the weight difference is going to net me any noticeable gains so im just going to go over kill with it and use a high quality steel. as for the dog bone i was looking at an adjustable dog bone hanging on the wall at work and had the same thought cross through my head. i would still much appreciate the measurements but i might just look for an adjustable one that would give me the same length. thanks in advance calitoz
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After measuring my set up; on center, it is 4.5 inches. I would again suggest that you fabricate an adjustable link so that you can dial in the exact height that you want. If I had to do it over again, I would do exactly that. GL
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thank you! im going to start measuring the adjustable ones i have available at the shop.
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
I think the bike looks better now...... But I might be jaded.
Hey.... the SSSHawk is still alive! Good to see it hasn't gone to the crusher! Looks good!

I do miss the old girl but I've moved on to several other bikes/projects in the mean-time.

Thanks for sharing!!

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Yeah, still alive. CBR1000RR front end with apex bars. Not my daily rider, its just too nice
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
I think the bike looks better now...... But I might be jaded.
You're definitely jaded...the bike LOOKED better in the original pictures by far, but judging by your posts above and the rework you had done, I'm sure it is a better bike mechanically now.
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
Yeah, still alive. CBR1000RR front end with apex bars. Not my daily rider, its just too nice
Cool... wow, 2100 posts? Pretty amazing....you must be the SuperHawk expert here!

Edit: Wait... I just saw someone else with over 5000 posts!!! Wow, lots of free time there I guess. Northern climate perhaps?... perhaps not much time to actually ride a motorcycle? hehehe....

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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 View Post
The whole fairing is Mario Nava carbon fiber. If you look closely the upper isn't stock either. It has different lines, less curvy than stock. This lower wouldn't mate up to the stock upper. Slightly more italian to me.
Hey Joe,

The upper is 100% fiberglass. The lower has a small CF panel on the very bottom edge, standard FG on the upper portions. The same goes for the rear seat section, the CF was only in the aft tail piece, although I see the OEM SuperHawk seat in your photos. Mario Nava and I discussed this by cellphone while he was driving before I placed the order... it was a way to reduce cost and still look 'racy'. BTW, Mario based the lower design on the CBR900RR lowers. It's a pretty close copy, and good looking.

Your bike still looks good overall, but frankly I'm not a fan of the white tape (or paint) sections... just my opinion though.. I preferred my original red and contrasting carbon fiber design, which are similar to Mario's designs.

Hope you are enjoying the bike though!!. It really ran like a monster when I sold it to Eric in VA! It looked like this when it shipped out:

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Also, sorry to hear you are having trouble with the triangular plates... I pulled them after 2000 miles to inspect them and there was no visible wear. Not sure what happened to them after the bike was sold... maybe the subsequent owners were 300 pounders, or the East coast roads were really tough. Dunno. The plates I made were 6061-T6 aircraft aluminum, and a bit thicker than the OEM Honda alloy plates.

Still, folks anyone considering a conversion... good advice to make the triangular plates from steel for your conversions, as an added level of safety. Many recycled metal stocks come from China or wherever in recent years, and may not be quite as strong as expected.

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1 - VFR 800 rear swing arm. VFR 750 swingarm will NOT work because the mounting scheme is completely different. I used a 1999 VFR 800 unit.
Hi guys. Tell a suitable VFR 800 2005 rear swing arm on my VTR1000F 1998? I'm sorry for my English)))
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blight View Post
Cool... wow, 2100 posts? Pretty amazing....you must be the SuperHawk expert here!

Edit: Wait... I just saw someone else with over 5000 posts!!! Wow, lots of free time there I guess. Northern climate perhaps?... perhaps not much time to actually ride a motorcycle? hehehe....
Well, that would probably be me then... And yes, as I'm in Sweden (the southern part, so kind of inbetween, no bike but not enough snow to go snowmobiling this year... But anyways) I have about six out of twelve months that's enjoyable riding, and another three that's possible but not that enjoyable... So I have been fairly active each winter since I joined in 2006...

When I made my triangles for the swap I did to SP1/SP2 swingarms, I opted to use steel plates for the exact reason that aluminium plates wouldn't really last well...

One thing to note, while you may have selected a nice grade of alu, and a nice thickness, a non OEM plate pattern might put larger than desired load on the holes as a result of the goemetry and mechanical advantage it creates...

I found that some variations of hole pattern that was very, very similar produced very different forces when calculated and very different feeling as far as suspension when i tested them...
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Cool... wow, 2100 posts? Pretty amazing....you must be the SuperHawk expert here!

Edit: Wait... I just saw someone else with over 5000 posts!!! Wow, lots of free time there I guess. Northern climate perhaps?... perhaps not much time to actually ride a motorcycle? hehehe....
I guess I have no excuse...... though with the amount of miles I have put on the bike I think I seem to find time for a ride now and then.....
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Hey yeah Im in the process to this thread helped alot. It would save me some time though if I knew the exact size of the triangle deals and do I need a custom dog bone?... or do I get a adjustable dog bone? Never even heard of one but sounds cooool.


Thanks for any help Im literally mid way in right now
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Hey, does anyone know if the newer vfr swing arms fit as well?
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