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Old 11-15-2009, 10:24 AM
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Next stupid ques... plug heater hoses???

For the next time I go into the carbs.... has the population capped off the heater hoses with no ill effects.. I'm in Fla.
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:30 PM
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just leave them alone, you'll gain nothing.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:32 AM
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Mine are gone. It was like that when I bought it. The only thing I can see them being good for is a PITA.

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Old 11-16-2009, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Just_Nick
No.


Izzat "No", as in, "No, I haven't done it.", or "No", as in, "No, it's not a good idea."??


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Old 11-16-2009, 11:12 AM
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The only reason to do it would be to simplify the carb removal process. If you don't plan on removing them every week I would just leave it be. I believe they are there to help the bike warm up faster on cold starts.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:22 AM
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It's been discussed several times... (have I mentioned lately that we have a search function?)

Removing them might simplify a few things... But it does actually reduce power...

Look here https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...9&postcount=35 for the latest iteration of the discussion, with links back to older ones...
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bjorn toulouse
Izzat "No", as in, "No, I haven't done it.", or "No", as in, "No, it's not a good idea."??


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That's a "Stop messing with things that work" No.
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Originally Posted by Just_Nick
That's a "Stop messing with things that work" No.

Pfffffftttttttttt. Where's the fun in that?
As a serial messer arounder, I have to disagree.


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Originally Posted by cornandp
The only reason to do it would be to simplify the carb removal process. If you don't plan on removing them every week I would just leave it be. I believe they are there to help the bike warm up faster on cold starts.
Plus they help prevent carburetor icing, which you don't have to worry about if you never ride when the temp is below the low 40s.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bjorn toulouse
Pfffffftttttttttt. Where's the fun in that?
As a serial messer arounder, I have to disagree.


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I am too, but he needs to do more research beforehand. There are a couple threads which cover this.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bjorn toulouse
Pfffffftttttttttt. Where's the fun in that?
As a serial messer arounder, I have to disagree.


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Yeah, me too... But if a bunch of people have proven that it's a bad idea (inkluding dyno results!) then I'm not that stubborn...

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Originally Posted by Tweety
Yeah, me too... But if a bunch of people have proven that it's a bad idea (inkluding dyno results!) then I'm not that stubborn...

This is the only dyno info I could find regarding the carb heating:

Originally Posted by Hawkrider

Way back in the day when I was tuning my bike I hooked up a shutoff valve on my carb heating supply hose and dyno'd back-to-back with it on and off. Results were interesting: Bike actually made more power with the carb heating turned on than it did with it off. Possible errors in this are the fact that I did the "off" run last. Bikes typically make their best power after you blow all the crap out and the oil is thinner, though it only makes a small difference by 0.5 - 1.0 hp. That was the same amount the two dyno runs were off by. I concluded that the carb heating does not affect performance at all, and other than the hoses being a PITA to hook/unhook when working on it, they harm nothing.
Hawkrider's testing would seem to indicate that removal of the carb hoses has, essentially, no effect on power.


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Old 11-17-2009, 08:59 AM
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In hot climate no difference at all so far as has been reported...

But if you are doing cold starts it's a bitch with out it... And it does benefit from better atomisation with the heated fuel as soon as the temps drop from "hot" to "normal" (The VTR has big honking carbs!)...
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Originally Posted by Tweety

But if you are doing cold starts it's a bitch with out it...
If you're doing a "cold start" the coolant is at the same ambient temp as the carb bodies and the fuel.


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Originally Posted by bjorn toulouse
If you're doing a "cold start" the coolant is at the same ambient temp as the carb bodies and the fuel.


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True, but the temp of the coolant will have gone up significantly in 30 seconds. So without the lines you may need to keep the choke on for a lot longer.
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Originally Posted by bjorn toulouse
If you're doing a "cold start" the coolant is at the same ambient temp as the carb bodies and the fuel.


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Originally Posted by cornandp
True, but the temp of the coolant will have gone up significantly in 30 seconds. So without the lines you may need to keep the choke on for a lot longer.
Ooor... You could just try it... I did... at 16C outside temp I still had the choke on 10km from my house... And it stalled at all the lights... With them... No more stalling...
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