bdc2020

Hi All,
I'm new to the forum. I picked up a 2002 VFR1000 (996 Superhawk) and am working on getting it street-able again. The kid I bought it from didn't have the money to fix it up and was leaving the area, so just wanted to get rid of it. It needs a few things done, and cleaned up, etc. I always wanted one of these bikes growing up, but couldn't afford one. Now I'm thrilled to have one. So excited to be slowly fixing each item with the goal of getting it back to new perfect condition and having it run again.

First thing I'm tackling is the ignition. The key barely fit it and even when it did, it the turning mechanism felt like rocks. I got the front end apart and pulled the ignition off. I am going to replace it but have a question.

Will a CBR600 ignition fit? Based on the pictures it sure looks identical - EXCEPT all the ones I see on eBay have 6 wires to the plug. My Superhawk only has 3 wires (2 RED, 1 BLUE).

Something like this? The connector end is the same but the wiring different:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Sw...e7G:rk:26:pf:0

NHSH

You can probably make it work, you just have to get the connectors out of the 4 prong socket and use your original 3 prong socket, it's very easy to remove them, one of the wires got to do with the parking light on some models, so you don't have to use it.

bdc2020

Thanks,

My real question though is how do I match up - or can I even - go from the 4 wire design of the eBay part to the 3 wire design of the Superhawk?
The actual physical connection looks identical, but the eBay part has MORE connections?

I don't mind cutting off the new connector and re-soldering to the old connector but how do I determine which of the 4 wires to go to which of the old 3 wires since I don't have a wiring diagram of the new piece? Just trial and error?

E.Marquez

You will need to pin out the new switch to see what wires do what in what positions, then connect the appropriate wires to the SH connector. If the plug fits the same it may be as easy as de-pinning the SH connector and putting them back in the needed locations, or as convoluted as making an adapter harness if say, the CBR wire 1,3,& 5 all need to connect to SH wire 3

bdc2020

Hi All,

So I bought a new switch but don't have a 'pin-out' diagram for it. It's for a 1999-2002 CBR 600F4I but I can't find a schematic easily online. I've taken a few pictures to show difference. I'm not sure how to figure out what the new ignitions wires go to. I posted this on ADV site too since it's a lot more active and hoping a member has the know how but wanted to try the SuperHawk forum too since it's more specific knowledge here of course! Any help would be greatly appreciated as me and electrical struggle to work together.

The old one is wired like this:

• RED = Starter Switch Relay
• RED/BLACK = Engine Stop/Start Handlebar Switch
• BLUE/BROWN = Numerous indicators and I'm not sure what else??? (schematic attached)

E.Marquez

https://www.dropbox.com/home/for%20I...+cbr600-f4.pdf

bdc2020

Thanks. I don't have a dropbox account though. I did find a 600F4I schematic online after about an hour. Then I found another too! LOL BUT, both of them show the same color wires and unfortunately those colors don't match the colors of the ignition switch I bought. It looks to me like even though the ignition switch was advertised as for a 600 CBR4FI, and it might work, the color wires they choose to use aren't the same (I'm sure it still works, but they didn't both to match the wires with the OEM colors), so that's causing my issue.

I think I have the main red and black figured out (I need to swap them in the plug). Now I just need to figure out the other two colors and which one I should be using and if I need to splice them both together into one.

smokinjoe73

You need just to have the wiring diagram for each and match pin position with color and function. To me it woulda been easier to just get an ebay vtr ignition but here you are.
I did a gauge swap by putting a CBR600RR dash on the VTR. I just got both wiring diagrams and numbered the pins, then wrote out the functions on one then the other to match them up.
You can use a safety pin to remove the pins from the plug and put them where they need to be.
The diagrams are easy to google. Then print them and use a notebook (I am a bit old school but my dash now has digital speed and temp as well as a gas gauge on a 1st gen so it sorta works.)

bdc2020

Hi, yes that was my plan to just map the wires out but as I mentioned previously, the NEW switch uses COLORS that do *NOT* match the CBR schematics I have found online. Also, I'm not sure of the layout as the plug is a 2x2 and all the schematics list the wires in a 1x4 row. If that makes sense. Something like this:

SCHEMATIC
X X X X

SWITCH
X X
X X

I did figure out 2 of the 4 colors. So now I have power to the bike. The brake lights, starter, etc. all work with the on/off function of the new switch. The only item I have left is to figure out which of the remaining TWO wires I need to use to power the ONE wire the VTR uses for the fan.

QUESTION: When you simply turn on the VTR ignition without pushing starter, does the fan run? Or does the VTR fan only run once the engine is too hot? If it only runs when hot then I won't be able to tell b/c the rest of the bike is apart for other things I'm working on.

smokinjoe73

The fan only comes on at higher temps and is on its own switch independent from the temp sensor for the dash. It wont run with the bike off. The switch in the right rad just grounds the fan when over a given temp. (200ish I think)

bdc2020

OK, thanks for the info.
So can I just turn the ignition to ON, and bypass the switch(manually jumper the fan to ground) and the fan should turn on?
And if so, then I have the correct wire in the ignition plug it seems. I verified the 10amp fan fuse is good.

smokinjoe73

Yes exactly. Worse case just run a +12v to the fan hot side and let it ground itself. (hot when ignition on)

bdc2020

Sorry for the delay in updating. It's finally solved (thanks to my 16 yr old son helping me!)
I've put the picture below with what we had to do. I ended up literally taking apart the new switch down to every single piece so I could see the actual connections being made when the switch was in each positions. Once we saw that it was a piece of cake. There's no way the switch would have worked as it was right from the manufacturer for *this* bike. It was a switch for a CBR 600 F4i, so I expected some tinkering.

Anyway, if anyone wants to put in a brand new ignition switch it's really a piece of cake now.

Remove the old, order this one (there are tons of these same switches advertised all over eBay for every bike, but all the wiring looks the same) and move the Green wire as I wrote up below. Hope this helps anyone looking, This will let you have one new key to match ignition, tank and seat.
**NOTE: I realized my picture might confuse someone, the switch I labeled 'ORIGINAL' means the OEM switch the VTR comes with.

smokinjoe73

Hey good discovery. I go thru a lot of ignition switches since I ride daily and in the rain they fail pretty often.

So wait the x shows where the green wire used to be, move it to its new position then its plug & play?

bdc2020

Hi SmokinJoe73, Sorry I'm so late in replying. Don't have notifications turned on so didn't see any replies to this thread.

In the NEW SWITCH picture above, MOVE the green from where the picture shows TO where the arrow points.
The Black/White wire does nothing so I un-soldered and remove it (pulled it out of the wiring harness completely) as I don't like extra wires or hoses if not needed. Simpler is better to me.

Then yes, it's plug-n-play. My bike does NOT have the immobilizer stuff installed.