C'mon guys-fess up-anyone use delo400?
04-27-2008, 02:24 AM
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C'mon guys-fess up-anyone use delo400?
Re my previous post--Aussie wants help.
Thanks to the forum members for the tips and advice(and humour) so far,but does anyone actually use delo400+in their Superhawk????????????
A positive confirmation is all I need to give it a try!
Hope someone can comment!
Thanks again---
Cheers-Eric
Thanks to the forum members for the tips and advice(and humour) so far,but does anyone actually use delo400+in their Superhawk????????????
A positive confirmation is all I need to give it a try!
Hope someone can comment!
Thanks again---
Cheers-Eric
04-27-2008, 03:04 AM
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Per your previous post, CI-4+ Delo is still available in Oz. Not here. With the exception of Walmart/Super Tech 15w40 (which I currently have in my VTR's crankcase), all 15w40 mineral oil available in the U.S. is rated CJ, with reduced Zinc, Phos and detergent. I'm not aware of anyone on this forum using Delo. The two most popular "non motorcycle specific" oils used by folks here would be Mobil 1 15w50 and Shell Rotella 15w40 (Rimula 15w40 CI4+ down under). My personal opinion?-- any CI4+ rated 15w40 is an excellent oil for the VTR, or any other motorcycle. The jury is still out on the CJ 15w40. If you don't wish to waste your money on "motorcycle" oil, I'd stock up on whatever CI4+ 15w40 I could get the best price on.
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04-27-2008, 04:32 AM
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KK1-Thanks again for the reply--Yep I understand this time,and thanks for the advice.Just to let you know,I contacted Shell techs in Oz and they told me no Rotella product is availible here and do not use Rimula.Its damn hard getting the right info----If your sure Rotella is actually Rimula ------please confirm?
A big thank you, to you(and the other guys)for your help.
I think my bike is starting to smell like a garbage truck---phew!
Cheers--eric
A big thank you, to you(and the other guys)for your help.
I think my bike is starting to smell like a garbage truck---phew!
Cheers--eric
04-27-2008, 08:11 AM
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KK1-Thanks again for the reply--Yep I understand this time,and thanks for the advice.Just to let you know,I contacted Shell techs in Oz and they told me no Rotella product is availible here and do not use Rimula.Its damn hard getting the right info----If your sure Rotella is actually Rimula ------please confirm?
A big thank you, to you(and the other guys)for your help.
I think my bike is starting to smell like a garbage truck---phew!
Cheers--eric
A big thank you, to you(and the other guys)for your help.
I think my bike is starting to smell like a garbage truck---phew!
Cheers--eric
04-27-2008, 07:20 PM
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Chevron doesn't make a "motorcycle oil" and Delo is what they recommend for motorcycle use. I haven't had any problems with it so far, I'm using it because I can buy it from work at cost and one gallon is an almost perfect fill for the VTR.
04-28-2008, 06:50 AM
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+1 on the shifting with the mobil 1. Previous owner was using Silkolene 20w50. After reading this forum, I tried the mobil 1, wow feels like a whole different bike. Just me being me, I still wanna try the rotella for comparison.
04-28-2008, 01:48 PM
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While we're on this oil "thing", (by the way, I buy the Honda GN 4), the dealer's Parts Guy said that Honda is now "recommending" 10w 30 - main reason? EPA. Pretty poss poor when the manufacturers are changing they're oil specs because of emmissions. I don't even want to get into all the different 55 Gallon barrells of oil blends I have for all my Ford Diesel service trucks. (Now remember, This is a SH forum, so no wisecracks about owning Ford's....
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04-28-2008, 02:27 PM
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There's another angle to Honda recommending 10w30. Since all passenger car 10w30 is energy conserving, your choice is limited to Honda oil, or another high dollar boutique motorcycle oil.
There's another reason to avoid PCMO, even if it isn't energy conserving. The current ones, even the 10w40 and 20w50 have greatly reduced levels of zinc and phosphorous, below the minimum level set by JASO.
There are exceptions, like M1 15w50 marketed mostly for older and high performance V8s, which still has plenty of zinc and phos.
I think if you don't want to pay the premium for "motorcycle" oil, or even M1 15w50, the best oil is one of the 15w40 universals. Even the new "CJ" rated ones have plenty of zinc and phos for bike engines. And they aren't "energy conserving" either.
There's another reason to avoid PCMO, even if it isn't energy conserving. The current ones, even the 10w40 and 20w50 have greatly reduced levels of zinc and phosphorous, below the minimum level set by JASO.
There are exceptions, like M1 15w50 marketed mostly for older and high performance V8s, which still has plenty of zinc and phos.
I think if you don't want to pay the premium for "motorcycle" oil, or even M1 15w50, the best oil is one of the 15w40 universals. Even the new "CJ" rated ones have plenty of zinc and phos for bike engines. And they aren't "energy conserving" either.
11-23-2012, 05:22 PM
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Hey all,
Just changed my oil to Delo 400LE (CJ-4/SM CI-4 plus) from costco for the first time.......coming from castrol 4T moto 10w40. first run seems like ive lost a decent amount of engine braking and maybe some take off power? is my clutch slipping? or is my mind playing tricks on me? Is this something anyone else has experienced? does the fact alone that im using a heavier oil cause this? any comment guys?
thanks....
Just changed my oil to Delo 400LE (CJ-4/SM CI-4 plus) from costco for the first time.......coming from castrol 4T moto 10w40. first run seems like ive lost a decent amount of engine braking and maybe some take off power? is my clutch slipping? or is my mind playing tricks on me? Is this something anyone else has experienced? does the fact alone that im using a heavier oil cause this? any comment guys?
thanks....
11-30-2012, 07:06 PM
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Out here in Oz I have used a diesel oil in my last 4 bikes without any adverse effects.
I have recommended this oil to many friends and they now swear by it too.
I used it in my TRX850, my FZR1000 my Aprilia Shiver and now the VTR.
I have never experienced any problems with slipping clutch and usually change my oil and filter every 3,000KLMs or there abouts.
The oil I use here is called Nulon Premium 15W-40 High Performance Diesel oil.
I can't remember the ratings although when I researched it about 6 years ago it fitted the requirements for an oil bath clutch.
I remember the trepidation that went along with the first oil change with this product, and also remember the satisfaction that I felt when I took that first ride and the gear change was soo much better.
I was also impressed with how the oil stayed clean looking between changes.
Previous to this oil I always used Motul, and paid through the nose for it.
I believe that there is some truth in the statement that a lot of oil companies use scare tactics when it comes to pitching their products at various segments of the automotive, motorcycle and marine markets.
I have covered approx 100,000Klms combined using diesel oil under a wide range of conditions and will continue to do so.
I urge anyone contemplating a switch to a diesel oil to research it thoroughly before deciding and make sure that it does not have any friction modifying addatives in it, as these are the ones that will give you clutch problems.
I have recommended this oil to many friends and they now swear by it too.
I used it in my TRX850, my FZR1000 my Aprilia Shiver and now the VTR.
I have never experienced any problems with slipping clutch and usually change my oil and filter every 3,000KLMs or there abouts.
The oil I use here is called Nulon Premium 15W-40 High Performance Diesel oil.
I can't remember the ratings although when I researched it about 6 years ago it fitted the requirements for an oil bath clutch.
I remember the trepidation that went along with the first oil change with this product, and also remember the satisfaction that I felt when I took that first ride and the gear change was soo much better.
I was also impressed with how the oil stayed clean looking between changes.
Previous to this oil I always used Motul, and paid through the nose for it.
I believe that there is some truth in the statement that a lot of oil companies use scare tactics when it comes to pitching their products at various segments of the automotive, motorcycle and marine markets.
I have covered approx 100,000Klms combined using diesel oil under a wide range of conditions and will continue to do so.
I urge anyone contemplating a switch to a diesel oil to research it thoroughly before deciding and make sure that it does not have any friction modifying addatives in it, as these are the ones that will give you clutch problems.
12-08-2012, 10:56 AM
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Update. Went on a few more runs and definitely noticed clutch slipping. So i changed oil again, this time to rotella 15w-40. great results. smooth shifting and a good bite on the clutch. happy so far. I'll update my experience after i put some miles on.
DO NOT use DELO400LE
DO NOT use DELO400LE
12-10-2012, 12:32 PM
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Noticed a couple of other Aussies on the thread. I've used Castrol Power 1 GPS and had no issues with performance. The oil is nice and dirty, not filthy black, at changing (5-6,000 km) which as i understand is doing its job holding contaminates in suspension. But i have thought of going for something cheaper and so researched Penrite an Oz company, emailed the tech support and they advised their LPG or Diesel bias oils are suitable, and when the auto chains have specials they are relatively cheap.
Extract of Tech advice-
"In the meantime, given the similarity between the 10W-50 product and our LPG oil (HPR Gas 10, semi-synthetic, SAE 10W-50) this may happily substitute for the bike oil. Oils for motorbikes need to be able to handle wet clutches and having something of an LPG or diesel bias allows them to handle the heat better"
I'm at oil change time now and plan to give the Gas 10 a go over the Christmas break!
Extract of Tech advice-
"In the meantime, given the similarity between the 10W-50 product and our LPG oil (HPR Gas 10, semi-synthetic, SAE 10W-50) this may happily substitute for the bike oil. Oils for motorbikes need to be able to handle wet clutches and having something of an LPG or diesel bias allows them to handle the heat better"
I'm at oil change time now and plan to give the Gas 10 a go over the Christmas break!
12-10-2012, 01:52 PM
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+1 Good enough choice, use it my self... No slipping clutch and last longer. Also, yes... cold start up a bit easier. I actually run it on all my bikes with great records so far.
12-21-2012, 06:08 AM
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Just what I said, be scared into buying bike specific oils and pay the price.
100,000Klms plus and no probs so far.
Go the diesel oil I am a convert and happily preach to the unconverted at every opportunity.
The savings allow for more regular changes.
100,000Klms plus and no probs so far.
Go the diesel oil I am a convert and happily preach to the unconverted at every opportunity.
The savings allow for more regular changes.
12-21-2012, 04:25 PM
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No way cobber, we need everyone that we can get here in Oz!
Interesting thread this, still using diesel oil and have now extended the changes to 5,000klms with no adverse effects.
Interesting thread this, still using diesel oil and have now extended the changes to 5,000klms with no adverse effects.
09-23-2013, 08:05 PM
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I love the smell of Castrol Bean oil in the old green and white checkered pint metal can!
Good stuff, back in the late 80's we would mix it 3oz. to a gallon of fuel for our 2 strokes and pour the rest in the crank case to lube the tranny and we would never seize a piston or fry a clutch, the oil was magical!
On the track everyone knew who was running Castrol Oil it had the smell of victory and it was not cheap either, like 8 bucks a pint over the counter at the local Suzuki / Yamaha shop rat bastards!
One year up at the local Honda shop a friends Mom owned at the time 10 of us running the AMA "P" Junior region short track series all pitched in and purchased a 35 gallon drum of the stuff out of St. Louis, we had bean oil for like 3 years!
I would take a clean gallon jug up to the shop and pump out a gallon, pick up some B9EV plugs and go racing the CR's that weekend!
We ran that oil in everything, weed eater, leaf blower, dirt bikes what ever, I think I still have a gallon in the shop some where for a special occasion like maybe a seniors vintage race in the future!
Oh the good old days!
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Good stuff, back in the late 80's we would mix it 3oz. to a gallon of fuel for our 2 strokes and pour the rest in the crank case to lube the tranny and we would never seize a piston or fry a clutch, the oil was magical!
On the track everyone knew who was running Castrol Oil it had the smell of victory and it was not cheap either, like 8 bucks a pint over the counter at the local Suzuki / Yamaha shop rat bastards!
One year up at the local Honda shop a friends Mom owned at the time 10 of us running the AMA "P" Junior region short track series all pitched in and purchased a 35 gallon drum of the stuff out of St. Louis, we had bean oil for like 3 years!
I would take a clean gallon jug up to the shop and pump out a gallon, pick up some B9EV plugs and go racing the CR's that weekend!
We ran that oil in everything, weed eater, leaf blower, dirt bikes what ever, I think I still have a gallon in the shop some where for a special occasion like maybe a seniors vintage race in the future!
Oh the good old days!
SIRR1
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