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Old 09-22-2012, 03:07 PM
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BT016 current feedback requested 9-22

So I think next season I am going to switch brands. I've been Metzeler faithful for the last 12 years! I've had great success with the Z series rubber. The latest generation Z6 have given me 10K front and 8K rear. Smokin' good mileage for the level of grip I get. Well, I have recently re-sprung the front and with the Ohlins shock, I am exploring the grip limits of these tires(mostly rear). I cannot afford a set that wears out in 4k. I think the Bridgestone BT016 looks appealing. Does anyone use the current version of this tri-compound tire? I would love to hear what kind of wear you get.

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Old 09-22-2012, 03:35 PM
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I'll just post my two cents.. I was on the metzler z6.. they were ok, decent grip when warm, not much grip when cold. if you sticking with BT series look at the 20's supposed to warm up quicker and work better in colder weather while still giving all the performance of the 16's.. well that's the claim.. I choose the 4K tires and went with a pair of Michelin Power Pure 2CT's trackion is impressive! even cold. I am running them on a SV650s ($300 installed for the pair, 160 rear makes it a little cheaper) and can drag the peg (my pegs are raised), I'm close to elbow down.. there impressive tires.. if your looking for long life I have heard good things about the Pilot Road's one buddy running them now.. he likes them.. but he's only put about 1K on them so far so nothing to report.. Good luck
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I'm a big fan of the BT016, Ran quite a few sets of these tires. Also the newer BT016pro, liked them even more. Outstanding grip, which you pay for in tire life. I never get much more than 3500-4000 out of a rear tire.
The newer S-20 stone is a better tire. Offers better grip levels with longer tire life. I would try those, the 16's are getting a little long in the tooth now.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:42 PM
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bt 016 while grip well. Wear out fast! Like 4000 for the rear. People were going to 021 which was better. Then the 023gt came out and you can get maybe 8 to 10k... maybe. Its dual compound though if not mistaken. So far so good on mine that im running. I hate the 023 fronts as they are more of a touring profile.
For the 016 fronts I love them but wear out maybe like 6k.
The thing with the 016 is that they are a stable consistent tire IMO. But drawback (as with many tires) is that you sacrifice grip for wear. Also to note that the 016 will wear good until it gets around half tread and then they go away quick.
Im going to run 023gt for the rear and a 016 front. Some say not to do that but f it I march to my own beat... Ill chime in later with some feedback on it.
Lastly the 023 is supposed to be good for wet road and up coming months will be the test for that. I like to ride all year round if possible.
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Old 09-23-2012, 04:22 AM
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Thanks for the replies. Just what I was looking for. I thought the 016 was a dual compound tire till my buddy sent me that link above. Realizing it is 3 compounds, we both thought it might get better mileage. I did quite a bit of digging and found mixed results.

Originally Posted by VTRsurfer View Post
I blame the torque of the VTR for the center wear.
Agreed. I can't afford to be buying a new rear every 4k! And the level of grip w/ the Metz (@8k per) isn't bad at all.


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Im going to run 023gt for the rear and a 016 front. Some say not to do that but f it I march to my own beat... Ill chime in later with some feedback on it.
I totally agree jeephawk. If you do, please share your experience. That combo sounds very tempting.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:49 AM
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You guys might try the 023gt tire. So far so good with mine. Im hopingclose to 8k with it. Hard center that where the GT differs from the rest. Plus its supposed to be a good rain tire also. Sides seem to be gripping for me but im still not leaning it to the edge yet.
Im happy with the rear but the fronts make the bike heavy feeling. I did run the 023 in the back and 016 front only for a little bit and it felt awesome. Bike felt was more responsive and flickable.
Short story.... I was crusing with a bud dropping off an old impala in Oregon and I saw that Motorcycle Superstore had a shop in Medford. Swung by there on the way and they were actually closing the store and just going warehouse only for internet sales only. Anyways it was their last day so all stuff was 50% off their already discounted price. Not much left just alot of crap honestly but they did have a shitload of tires. Grabbed a bunch of 016s fronts that they had left. Got them for 50bucks each! That was fun. They had track tires too like 003 or something. Wish I had more money......
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:27 PM
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the bto-16s grip well and ride smoothly and wear accordingly(4000 max), and are similar to the power pures, 2cts,Q2s,etc. If you want better wear, you will likely need pilot road 3, dunlop roadsmarts, or similar sport touring tires.

If you want to save some pesos, you can buy a tire changer. I couldn't afford hawkrider's brothers(no mar), so I bought one from harbor freight.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:47 PM
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Nath, I do change my own! I'm on sport touring tires now so I'm looking for a little more grip. Getting 8k per rear is awesome but I'd like to find 6k with that little bit more bite. This last ride w/ kardiac and a friend was the most rear slip I've ever had. Said friend works at a dealer so I can get certain brands 10% above cost.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:25 PM
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That's great. I get Q2s from STG fairly reasonable. I'd sure like to get a little more mileage just like most would, but I figure grippy rubber, albeit shortlived, is a little added insurance on the street where one mis-calulation can be lethal.

I used to run 2 rears to one front to save a little moola until I lost the front on a high speed turn, slid across the road ahead of an oncoming vehicle and demoed the Hawk.

Mileage is for those who ride more conservatively IMO, but if you are sliding your tires, you need to either back-off a little or dig a little deeper into your pockets for grippier rubber, unless you don't mind sliding a little. If you ride straight up roads more than twisties, you're either going to wear the centers before the sides unless you can find hard centers/soft sides, and I don't know which tires these would be.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nath981 View Post
If you ride straight up roads more than twisties, you're either going to wear the centers before the sides unless you can find hard centers/soft sides, and I don't know which tires these would be.
You picked up the hammer but didn't hit the nail on the head! That's the info I so desperately desire.

I ride to work a lot. 26 miles one way. A good part of that is split highway (PA15).
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
You picked up the hammer but didn't hit the nail on the head! That's the info I so desperately desire.

I ride to work a lot. 26 miles one way. A good part of that is split highway (PA15).
It seems that the pilot 3 and roadsmarts claim that they have hard centers/soft sides, but how hard and soft is up for debate depends on who you're talking to.

I can tell you what I did when i rode to work, or when i go anywhere for that matter: find the curviest roads you can(I call it the circuitous or scenic route), and leave early and get home later. It will make your day. I loved goin to work and coming home was equally exhilarating, except for a few git-offs, haha....but this will happen sometimes when you're havin too much fun.

Riding on straight roads annoys, depresses, and pisses me off. I did over 2 million miles running all over this country in a semi, mostly interstates of course, so I've had it with straight roads, you hear me. Haha. So, I make it a point when I ride the bike that it's all about the ride, and if i have to go 60 miles to go thirty, so be it, because I'd rather go 60 on curves that 10 on straight.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
Nath, I do change my own! I'm on sport touring tires now so I'm looking for a little more grip. Getting 8k per rear is awesome but I'd like to find 6k with that little bit more bite. This last ride w/ kardiac and a friend was the most rear slip I've ever had. Said friend works at a dealer so I can get certain brands 10% above cost.

I recall a few Rear slip moments on my end as well. I left the day looking at new tires and cleaning poopy out of my anus.

Best group ride ever. lol
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thanks for all the information guys
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kardiac996 View Post
I recall a few rear slip moments on my end as well
In all fairness my rear tire has 6,700+ miles on it. Plus the fact that there was crap all over the roads!

Definitely not going 016. I have quite a bit of time left to decide. I'm hoping jeephawk will post more feedback on the 023.... would love to know what kind of mileage the tire will get and riding style. If it gets over 7k, maybe I'll go non-GT??
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IMHO, I have been riding the 016 for many moons. Have ridden the 016s on the 2001 S-hawk. and on both RC51s are equipped with the 016s.
As a consideration, I tried a set of 2CTs at the beginning of march.. 5200 miles later, rear was blistered, front had a fine stripe of tread in the middle.. The 2001 Shawk suspension is completely done(GMDcomputrack)
Back to the BattleAxes.. S20. with a couple of months of riding left..
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 1971allchaos View Post
As a consideration, I tried a set of 2CTs at the beginning of march.. 5200 miles later, rear was blistered, front had a fine stripe of tread in the middle.
Michelin isn't one of the brands I can get 10% above cost... Basically Bridgestone and Dunlop. Good info regardless.

How many miles did you get out of the 016 rears?
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Originally Posted by VTRsurfer View Post
I just checked my service records, and out of four BT016 rears, 3 got right at 6,000 miles (I don't wait for cord to show before replacing) and one got only 4,000 miles. The only explanation I can think of is that during the life of that tire, my wife and I did several trips to somewhat distant mountain roads that required extended freeway miles.

As far as the multiple compound tires, I was primarily commuting (70+ miles round trip) when I was running Qualifiers, and I was getting 6,000 miles out of the rears, which were well squared off when replaced. So, I don't see a wear advantage to the multiple compound. However, the BT016's are way better performance wise.

Again, I think the torque (and the right wrist) and rear biased weight of our bikes is a big factor in rear tire wear.
Yeah I agree. The 016 were really grippy but if your throttle happy or are going to use it for commuting then its going to wear out fast. Im 220lbs so there is more weight on the rear too.

Hey Wolverine. Why do you say you would go the non GT route? The GT is what you want. Basically the GT is the harder center for out heavier bikes. The profile is the same and so is the side compound. Just a harder center.
From what I hear the 023 is replacing the old 021s then people were complaining that the 023 was wearing fast in the center on the heavy bikes, then they added the GT for that. Ive got a couple thousand on mine and it barely shows any wear. (ill post a pic) I truly think that I will get way more than the 4k I got with the 016. Riding season where I live can run into November so alot of riding time is ahead.
The only thing I cant get info on about the 023gt is the grip for advanced riders as I still have about 1/2" of chicken strips on mine.
Ive hit some pretty heavy twisties and pushed it to my limit ( a little over at some points too) and it held fine.

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Originally Posted by VTRsurfer View Post
I just checked my service records, and out of four BT016 rears, 3 got right at 6,000 miles (I don't wait for cord to show before replacing) and one got only 4,000 miles.
Exactly the kind of info I was looking for! With my several 2 up jaunts a season and the commuting slab, the 016 is ruled out.

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Hey Wolverine. Why do you say you would go the non GT route? The GT is what you want. Basically the GT is the harder center for out heavier bikes.
I'm thinking the GT is going to be equal to the Metz Z6/now Z8 that I have been using. While these tires get great mileage, after the first 6k I think maybe they've been heat cycled too many times and start to give it up. That's why I was interested to hear what you get. If it's 7k or more, I would try the non GT to get the added grip.
I guess I really am asking for the best of both worlds which I may not get. I've been happy with Metzeler for 12+ years but the more I push this tire the more I find its limits. I'm very close to the edge of the tire as well. I'd kind of like to hear your input on the level of grip at those lean angles.
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Around 4000 miles is about right if you are anything besides a Grandma (no offense, Grams). If you have a rear that lasts longer I would consider it gravy. Any other performance based tire will wear about the same.

The only two tires I consider worth running these days are the Brig BT016 and Dunlop Q2's. I think you'll find anything else is a stem down in one category or another.
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Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty View Post

The only two tires I consider worth running these days are the Brig BT016 and Dunlop Q2's. I think you'll find anything else is a stem down in one category or another.
it's spring..and it's tire time again! so Michelin has a brand new tire the Pilot Power 3

The Q2's have been a fan favoirte for a while now.. anyone tried the new Power 3's?

Thoughts? Q2 or Power 3
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My guess is they are still using a stiff carcass. That means they will only be good after you drive racetrack levels of heat into them. Stick with the Q2's would be my suggestion.
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Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty View Post
My guess is they are still using a stiff carcass. That means they will only be good after you drive racetrack levels of heat into them. Stick with the Q2's would be my suggestion.
Thansk Jamie, I never quite under stood how the flex frame and the motor being a stressed member with the swingarm. effects tire selecton but
A lot of the early articles I read said HONDA only recomends the orginal dunlop D204, it was designed with the bike..

here is one such quote:

"When American journos were given a tech briefing prior to riding the Super- Hawk at the Honda press intro, company personnel emphasized the "tuned" nature of the tires and chassis, which utilizes the theory that an overly-rigid frame and swingarm can contribute to front-end instability and handling problems (see "Twin Tech" sidebar). We were steadfastly warned not to use any thing other than the stock Dunlop D204 Sportmax II radials, as any other tire could upset the balance of the tires and chassis. Being the inquiring (and ignorant) minds that we are, however, we had to see for ourselves if this was true. We mounted Michelin's newest generation Hi-Sport TX15 and TX25 Race 3 radials on all three bikes, and headed out to the track."
Link to Article -Great title BTW- Pasta Or Sushi
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Would you know?
Do you want a soft carcus on these frames or a hard one.. I thought soft vs hard was a racer/rider preference but if the VTR runs better with one style then the other then that may help me when looking at new tires.

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They always say that, I think it is more of a liability mitigation more than anything else.

All street bikes suffer when a stiff carcass tire is used. It is difficult to get the right contact patch without driving a lot of heat into them. People who have stock suspension will often really like stiff tires because it speeds up transitions. What they don't understand is this makes the bike twitchy. This makes setting up the suspension tricky too. Overall handling can be improved by going to something with a different construction.

When I talk about a "stiff" tire that doesn't mean the rubber compound. Rather, it is the construction of the belts. On the race track the Pilot series tires are great. I've found other tires, such as the Q2's and BT016's, to work very well on the street and the same or better than the Pilots on the track.

I've also seen a lot (way too many) Michelin fronts that get a really weird wear pattern on the fronts. Once this starts the bike is almost unrideable. I've had this happen on my own bike and have seen the same thing on other's bikes too. Something to watch out for.
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Thanks Jamie. GREAT info!! I'll go for the Q2's
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