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Old Jan 9, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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Unhappy bent valves ?? maybe ????????

ok ,heres the deal ,,,i have a 99 sh ,it was just sitting at idle warming up and then made a little noise ,then made a bigger NOISE ,then just quit ,,,pretty sure it's the cct's ,,it's got 27k on it ,should i be worried about bent valves ,is it a tolerance motor or what ,i have not tried to restart it cause i know somethin' is wrong in there , it make a nasty ,loud clapping slapping sound just trying to bump it a little...........................
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Old Jan 9, 2009 | 10:37 PM
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yes it is an interference motor.
guess you should have replaced the CCT's
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if you think its the CCTs, then yes you most likely will have bent valves. Not a better way to check then to take the valve covers off - the timing marks on the cams will no longer be aligned front to rear cam, and the clearance on the bent valves will be much much wider. If so, once you take the head off you can assess the piston. If its just a couple of valves you can have them replaced or used heads are not uncommon but hard to know what you are getting that way. Its likely just one cylinder.

sounds bad, sorry. if you are handy mechanically you can do most of the work and just pay for the technical things (valve replacement) if you aren't familiar with that part.
Old Jan 10, 2009 | 06:28 AM
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If it sounded like a can of spray paint rattling, yea, you bent the exhaust valves.
As stated above, pull the valve covers and check the cam timing marks. If out of proper alignment, yes you will need to pull the head off. Don't worry it's not as bad as you think. You should replace all four valves and have new seats cut. If you do most of the labor yourself it won't be that much. But if you pay the shop @ 75per hour, ouch!

Here is the parts list: (retail prices shown, your discount may vary)

From APE;
2) HT1000VTR - APE manual cam chain tensioners $51.65 ea
2) EC388 - Tensioner gasket $3.64 ea
Shipping $13.00

From Honda;
2) 14711-MBB-000 intake valves $27.55 ea
2) 14721-MBB-000 exhaust valves $49.55 ea
2) 12208-MBB-003 exhaust valve seal $8.11 ea
2) 12209-MBB-003 intake valve seal $8.11 ea
1) 12251-MBB-003 cylinder head gasket $33.49
1) 91331-PC9-003 o-ring $1.90
1) 18291-MM8-880 exhaust gasket $5.15
1) 08717-1194 Hondabond (for valve cover) $6.19
2) spark plugs $9.00 ea
1) engine ice antifreeze $20

Find a reputable mechanic that can re-cut(clean up) your valve seats and install the valves on the head. @ $100-125

Read the manual and follow the directions. Yes, you should remove the rear valve cover too. So you can check proper valve timing.

Last edited by motojoe; Jan 10, 2009 at 07:17 AM. Reason: added parts list
Old Jan 10, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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thank alot guys thats really not as bad as i thought ,but i'm still bummed ,i've only had the bike 6 mos. but what fun it's been ,i'll let you know how it goes ,thanks for the price list thats saves time....
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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yup ,,,bent all the valves in the front head ,,,yee-haww ,,,waiting on the parts
Old Jan 27, 2009 | 03:26 AM
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Post up some pictures of the rebuild.
Old Jan 27, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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i tried to upload pics,,it kept saying upload failed ,,,i dont know ,,frickin' computers ,,lol,,
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is there any other types of coolant i can use other than the recommended honda brand or the engine ice ,,,just curious thas all
Old Feb 4, 2009 | 08:18 AM
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gotter all done ,runs eh ,ok ,i think i need to sync the carbs ,i got that little hic-up , popping thing going on at right around 3000 rpm ,,,it's real annoying , any way ,i'm ridding again ,,wooo--hoooooooo
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congrats.
Old Oct 21, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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Where did you buy your parts? did you do the work yourself?
Old Oct 21, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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Glad you got 'er back on the road.
Old Jan 11, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Whats the o-ring for that motojoe suggests in his rebuild parts list above?
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:19 AM
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^^^I would be suprised if no one has an answer to this. Anyone...
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:23 AM
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I don't know since I haven't removed a head, but my guess is somewhere between the head and the cylinder sleeve. lol
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Originally Posted by psyclown
Whats the o-ring for that motojoe suggests in his rebuild parts list above?
likely an o-ring for the spark plug well. I haven't pulled a head off of a hawk yet but it's not uncommon to have an o-ring around the plug well either where the top halve of the head (cam carrier) bolts to the bottom or where the valve cover bolt to the head, depending on the head configuration.
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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I don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the O-ring thats suggested is the one on the dowl-pin when you remove the valve cover. It's been a while since I did the job....
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I think it's the PAIR tube that has an O ring.
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Originally Posted by gboezio
I think it's the PAIR tube that has an O ring.
and we have a winner.......
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