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Old 04-14-2010, 04:11 AM
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Hey I just noticed the manual says 14 lbf-ft + 120 degrees on page 221 but on page 218 it says 22 lbf-ft +120 degrees. which one is right.
I think the whole idea behind only using these bolts once is they streach when torqued so I think 22+ is needed to get that result

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Dial indicators

How do you use a dial indicator with a magnetic base on aluminum?
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Heads on and torqued!
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A little RTV silicone maybe?
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:56 AM
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A little RTV silicone maybe?
that might work but would make a mess...will likley need a metal plate like the one in my head
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Is there enough magnetic force to set it onto the steel piece between the cams?
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Originally Posted by zmaniv
Is there enough magnetic force to set it onto the steel piece between the cams?
Nothing there that would work as far as I can tell, but I should be able to bolt a plate on easy enough...I'll let you know how I cross that bridge as soon as I get to it!

Next I need to plastigauge the Morwi STG 1 cams and then wait to get in the new chains from Ron Ayers...

In the meantime, the most important thing is my keg run dry so gotta figure out what to order next for the kegarator
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Why are you palstigauging the cams? There are no bearings in the head to replace.
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Originally Posted by zmaniv
Why are you palstigauging the cams? There are no bearings in the head to replace.
checkin the oil clearance between the cams and the keepers...I think the spec is 0.088 mm max...
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Anybody know anything about these FERODO brake pads? Are they any good or should I stick with Galfer or EBC?

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Coming together very nicely.

I am not sure if you give a stuff about looks like some of us do, or whether you are just about performance, but now would be a good time to paint your engine a nice colour.
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What sort of beer do you like? maybe we could make suggestions
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What sort of beer do you like? maybe we could make suggestions
I'm a HopHead, so anything that rocks the hops!
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Originally Posted by shayne
Coming together very nicely.

I am not sure if you give a stuff about looks like some of us do, or whether you are just about performance, but now would be a good time to paint your engine a nice colour.
I can answer that in 1 word...PERFORMANCE
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Plastigauged the 2 Morwi cams on the front head last night and they are perfect! I'm gonna need a shim kit to dial in the valve clearances though. Oh well, I guess having a box of 3 of each size laying around wont be a bad thing.
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More progress tonight!
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Yeah, Baby!

I had a bracket to hold the engine in my engine stand, that the mag base would stick to.
you might be able to mount a steel plate to the valve cover mounting holes. Tape it to prevent scoring the head.

The engine only turns one way, when the cam chains are installed, so keep that in mind.
record the angle at .040 lift on the leading and trailing edge of the cams, based upon 0 degrees at top-center. The lobe center is halfway between. Sounds obvious, but take notes and write everything down. It takes a while to get the procedure. If it gets late and you get tired, come back to it when you are fresh - and less hop-induced.

Valve clearances should be close to spec. before doing the cam timing.

Use red loctite on the cam sprocket bolts.

Also, if you are having a hard time holding the engine still, bolt it into the chassis. It makes a pretty good workstand.



I get to ride mine on Monday!!!

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and pull the cam chain up tight from the crank to the front and over the sprocket.
I had trouble finding a mounting spot for the magnetic dial indicator and also trying to solidly mount the degree wheel so there is not shifting. Just be sure your measurements all repeat very reliably - its easy to get the dial gauge point to move slightly off the bucket and give you a slightly different reading - or have the free play in the system get missed. So get everything super solid an then be sure it repeats. then like rand says, do it, think about it and be sure its what you thought.
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Thanks Bill & Rand!
I got a set of Hotcams shims and set the valve clearences on the front head this evenin before the hops took over
next I'll do the rear IN & EX valve clearences...man it's easy when you have a pile of shims!

Rand, have fun at the track and take care of my next bike okay?

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Did you get have to get the block machined to set the squish?
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Originally Posted by zmaniv
Did you get have to get the block machined to set the squish?
No, the block was only bored & honed.
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Last night I zeroed in the rear valve set and now I have about 100 shims left over...LOL!

Here's what worked (from memory which ain't real good

FR IN = 1.70 shims for both valves
FR EX = 1.20 for both

RR IN = 1.60 shims for both
RR EX = 1.25 for both

The biggest difference in lobes between stock & Morwi STG 1 cams seems to be on the EX cams...
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Originally Posted by FL02SupaHawk996
Thanks Killer, but I think I'll buy one cuz he who dies with the most tools wins, right?
RC
lol, hell yea!
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Originally Posted by offroad_rider2008
lol, hell yea!
Here's a pic of my newest toys oops I mean tools
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Originally Posted by FL02SupaHawk996
Last night I zeroed in the rear valve set and now I have about 100 shims left over...LOL!

Here's what worked (from memory which ain't real good

FR IN = 1.70 shims for both valves
FR EX = 1.20 for both

RR IN = 1.60 shims for both
RR EX = 1.25 for both

The biggest difference in lobes between stock & Morwi STG 1 cams seems to be on the EX cams...

Do you mean you are setting the clearances to zero? are you doing that for the cam timing? it shouldn't be necessary if you are using the lobe center method
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Originally Posted by cliby
Do you mean you are setting the clearances to zero? are you doing that for the cam timing? it shouldn't be necessary if you are using the lobe center method
Bill, don't do that I'm confused and conficted enough!

Valve clearances are all set to spec and I will be using the lobe centers assuming I can find them
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LOL. it was your term 'zero'd in the rear valve set" that threw me off. and with non-symmetrical cams, and some old timers, they used to set zero lash to do the cam timing. So just double checking you weren't wasting your time.
good luck. Show a pic of how you mount up that timing wheel when you get it on will you. I still don't like my set up. Can you mount it on the opposite side of where you rotate the crank? would reduce the tendency to move the wheel as you rotate
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Originally Posted by cliby
LOL. it was your term 'zero'd in the rear valve set" that threw me off. and with non-symmetrical cams, and some old timers, they used to set zero lash to do the cam timing. So just double checking you weren't wasting your time.
good luck. Show a pic of how you mount up that timing wheel when you get it on will you. I still don't like my set up. Can you mount it on the opposite side of where you rotate the crank? would reduce the tendency to move the wheel as you rotate
I'll post up the pics as soon as I figure how to best mount the degree wheel and the magnetic base for the dial indicator so they are both solid and wont move...
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I mounted the degree wheel on the left side, before installing the flywheel....

I just used a piece of wire wrapped around one of the mounting bolts for the side cover as a pointer.
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