Anyone have access to shims???
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Anyone have access to shims???
I asked McMaster Carr if they would sample a shim to me, but they declined.
I'm looking for a shim that is .016 thick, with an ID of about .625 (5/8"), and an OD of no more than .875 (7/8") - (actually an OD of .75 (3/4") is preferred).
I'm hoping to shim up the shifter a bit so it doesn't wiggle... And I figured a 15 cent shim mod is something I can pull off pretty easy
James
I'm looking for a shim that is .016 thick, with an ID of about .625 (5/8"), and an OD of no more than .875 (7/8") - (actually an OD of .75 (3/4") is preferred).
I'm hoping to shim up the shifter a bit so it doesn't wiggle... And I figured a 15 cent shim mod is something I can pull off pretty easy
James
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Yes... I was hoping to find brass or PTFE, but the only thing McMaster had in the correct dimensions was a stainless shim. I'm not being too picky about it because it's just taking up a little space...
I would prefer not cutting something out and having to make it round... Was just hoping to found a simple round washer/shim...
James
I would prefer not cutting something out and having to make it round... Was just hoping to found a simple round washer/shim...
James
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I do not have any brass available but I can make you some stainless ones. Let me know if you want me to make you some. If you still have my email from the signals send me an email and I will do them in the morning and drop them in an envelope. I usualy only get on the forum once a day so I will see an email first.
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James, read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance"; i.e., aluminum soda or beer can/bottle. Cut out approximate size, punch center hole, punch OD, trim with scissors as need, stack to thickness required. That's what I did...
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Walt made some shims for me and now the shifter has no play at all!!!
I used a .008" on one side of the shifter, and a .007 and .002 on the other side of the shifter.
Shim size was 5/8" ID to clear the brass bushing i installed, and about 3/4" OD.
Thanks Walt!!!
James
I used a .008" on one side of the shifter, and a .007 and .002 on the other side of the shifter.
Shim size was 5/8" ID to clear the brass bushing i installed, and about 3/4" OD.
Thanks Walt!!!
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++++1 "Zen" is wonderful. Thanks for bringing it up. It's time for another reading.
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I asked McMaster Carr if they would sample a shim to me, but they declined.
I'm looking for a shim that is .016 thick, with an ID of about .625 (5/8"), and an OD of no more than .875 (7/8") - (actually an OD of .75 (3/4") is preferred).
I'm hoping to shim up the shifter a bit so it doesn't wiggle... And I figured a 15 cent shim mod is something I can pull off pretty easy
James
I'm looking for a shim that is .016 thick, with an ID of about .625 (5/8"), and an OD of no more than .875 (7/8") - (actually an OD of .75 (3/4") is preferred).
I'm hoping to shim up the shifter a bit so it doesn't wiggle... And I figured a 15 cent shim mod is something I can pull off pretty easy
James
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Probably the same ones I found at first, but cost with shipping is quite a bit....
Plus I ended up going a different direction. I shimmed one side of the shifter with a .007 shim, and the other side of the shifter with a .008 shim.
Thanks!
James
Plus I ended up going a different direction. I shimmed one side of the shifter with a .007 shim, and the other side of the shifter with a .008 shim.
Thanks!
James
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.005 thick, same size otherwise.
I suppose if all you needed was one shim, no spare hardware no material stock, no cleaners, tools, tooling, than yes $8.30 for a 10 pack and $6-10 for shipping is a lot.
There never been a day when I needed something from McMaster Carr I could not add 1/2 doz other things to make the order worth the shipping.
And not everyone has a buddy to cut them shims....
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I have no idea what he is talking about. Stock shifters don't have bushings, so there is nothing to order.
I had a bushing custom made for my stock shifter, then had the shifter bored out to accept the custom bushing. Pretty simple to do, just need to order the brass stock to get it started. I think I picked up a remnant piece on Ebay.
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I had a bushing custom made for my stock shifter, then had the shifter bored out to accept the custom bushing. Pretty simple to do, just need to order the brass stock to get it started. I think I picked up a remnant piece on Ebay.
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I have no idea what he is talking about. Stock shifters don't have bushings, so there is nothing to order.
I had a bushing custom made for my stock shifter, then had the shifter bored out to accept the custom bushing. Pretty simple to do, just need to order the brass stock to get it started. I think I picked up a remnant piece on Ebay.
James
I had a bushing custom made for my stock shifter, then had the shifter bored out to accept the custom bushing. Pretty simple to do, just need to order the brass stock to get it started. I think I picked up a remnant piece on Ebay.
James
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Or fit a bearing...
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Sorry, I meant to say I did a bronze bushing, then stainless shims on the inside and outside of the shifter to take up the "wobble"....
Hard to remember all the little things that have been done.
James
Hard to remember all the little things that have been done.
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No problem. Good question actually! I had planned to do a bearing at first, but they cost more, can be more difficult to find, and after conferring with forum members, they are really overkill.
I'm telling ya, if you rode my bike you would notice how amazing the shifting is. It is the most positive shifting bike i have ever owned, which is saying a lot because i have owned quite a few.
James
I'm telling ya, if you rode my bike you would notice how amazing the shifting is. It is the most positive shifting bike i have ever owned, which is saying a lot because i have owned quite a few.
James
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Thanks for a helpful reply James. I have a number of bearing suppliers located close to my work. What was the consensus on the bearing type? I'm pretty sure I can get needles or ***** to suit, or bushings, and I have a helpful engineer at work as well.
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And it will take boring shifter and reducing or enlarging the size of the bolt that acts as the inner race for the bearing depending on what bearing you use.
Or you make a new attachment bolt to fit the new bearing.
The bronze bushing is much faster to make, fit and ream to size and if made to fit the bike specifically, can have a shoulder designed in that means you do not need shims in addition to the bushing.
I did the bearing way first, but found the bearing to get contaminated way to fast, then it gets notchy. Really needs a seal on both sides to keep the gunk out.
Then I made a bushing from the bronze material I linked above. Simple build, install and use compared to the bering, no slop no extra parts to assembly when the shifter goes on.... Just the shifter and bolt.
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The shim/bushing is great, but it was only an enhancement to the real mod, which was replacing the shift linkage with heim joints and the early style aluminum shift rod.
All those mods working together makes a big difference.
James
All those mods working together makes a big difference.
James
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