2 into 1 exhaust results
04-06-2008, 03:42 PM
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2 into 1 exhaust results
Two words: Oh yeah!!!!!!
I fixed up my leaking gasket earlier (took the older one that I still had lying around) and sealed up the joint between the front cylinder and header. I then went out for a good ride and am totally impressed and happy with the result. Although I realize that the seat of the pants can be fooled (and I haven't ridden the bike in over four months) but the mid-range hit is absolutely awesome (BTW, I spent a few days last week test riding a new Speed Triple and am quite confident that my VTR would trounce it in a roll-on). Rolling on the throttle in top gear at 120 km/h (4800 rpm with my current gearing) has the bike surging ahead like gangbusters (you can actually feel the weight tranferring back from the pull). I tried roll-ons from different speeds (up to 7K) and have no flat spots of any kind. It just pulls and pulls (note: I was somewhat expecting this, however, as notes from Daz (chap who has a lot of experience playing with teh 2-1 set-up on the VTR) on the vtr1000.org site indicated that people who ran DJ kits jetted for dual slip-ons typically require no jetting changes).
The exhaust sound is quite a bit louder than before (although my Microns were repacked last year and I am unsure as to the status of the Blue Flame can I have on there now) but it is a deep crackle, and quite pleasant. I will likely open the can up and see if it needs to be re-packed. Either way, I will have to be extra careful in residential areas (something I always do anyway).
I am sure that the time spent cleaning up the welds in the header helped too. Overall, it looks awesome and runs even better. I can't wait to finish everything up with the wheels and all.
I am having a hard time wiping this silly grin off my face
cheers
I fixed up my leaking gasket earlier (took the older one that I still had lying around) and sealed up the joint between the front cylinder and header. I then went out for a good ride and am totally impressed and happy with the result. Although I realize that the seat of the pants can be fooled (and I haven't ridden the bike in over four months) but the mid-range hit is absolutely awesome (BTW, I spent a few days last week test riding a new Speed Triple and am quite confident that my VTR would trounce it in a roll-on). Rolling on the throttle in top gear at 120 km/h (4800 rpm with my current gearing) has the bike surging ahead like gangbusters (you can actually feel the weight tranferring back from the pull). I tried roll-ons from different speeds (up to 7K) and have no flat spots of any kind. It just pulls and pulls (note: I was somewhat expecting this, however, as notes from Daz (chap who has a lot of experience playing with teh 2-1 set-up on the VTR) on the vtr1000.org site indicated that people who ran DJ kits jetted for dual slip-ons typically require no jetting changes).
The exhaust sound is quite a bit louder than before (although my Microns were repacked last year and I am unsure as to the status of the Blue Flame can I have on there now) but it is a deep crackle, and quite pleasant. I will likely open the can up and see if it needs to be re-packed. Either way, I will have to be extra careful in residential areas (something I always do anyway).
I am sure that the time spent cleaning up the welds in the header helped too. Overall, it looks awesome and runs even better. I can't wait to finish everything up with the wheels and all.
I am having a hard time wiping this silly grin off my face
cheers
Last edited by mikstr; 04-06-2008 at 03:58 PM.
04-06-2008, 04:32 PM
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I am someone who does know a lot about the mechanics of bikes, so could you give a simple explination why going 2 into 1 whould have that effect.
also, I want to run my bike without cans and someone commented that it would have a reducing effect on power. Is thattrue? I have started it without the cans on it and it seems to run well, I havn't riden it yet b/c it is in the middle of a customization project and isn't ridable yet.
Any other issues ( besides noise - which I love the sound withour cans... and honeslty it is no louder then the Harleys Blasting down my street)
also, I want to run my bike without cans and someone commented that it would have a reducing effect on power. Is thattrue? I have started it without the cans on it and it seems to run well, I havn't riden it yet b/c it is in the middle of a customization project and isn't ridable yet.
Any other issues ( besides noise - which I love the sound withour cans... and honeslty it is no louder then the Harleys Blasting down my street)
04-06-2008, 06:25 PM
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I am someone who does know a lot about the mechanics of bikes, so could you give a simple explination why going 2 into 1 whould have that effect.
also, I want to run my bike without cans and someone commented that it would have a reducing effect on power. Is thattrue? I have started it without the cans on it and it seems to run well, I havn't riden it yet b/c it is in the middle of a customization project and isn't ridable yet.
Any other issues ( besides noise - which I love the sound withour cans... and honeslty it is no louder then the Harleys Blasting down my street)
also, I want to run my bike without cans and someone commented that it would have a reducing effect on power. Is thattrue? I have started it without the cans on it and it seems to run well, I havn't riden it yet b/c it is in the middle of a customization project and isn't ridable yet.
Any other issues ( besides noise - which I love the sound withour cans... and honeslty it is no louder then the Harleys Blasting down my street)
Yes, it's louder than a Harley because it revs higher. I took my pipes off for the hell of it and drove through town and up some hills. By the time I was done, my ears were ringing and I had one of the worst headaches ever.
...it's also not too good for your engine, even though pissing off your 70 year old neighbors who hate you is pretty fun
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04-06-2008, 06:28 PM
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mik, do you have any pictures of your pipe setup, particularly where the headers meet the mids. I am in the middle of building my bike back up and have been thinking about doing this. Any pictures and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and congrats on a successful build.
04-06-2008, 09:38 PM
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Mik,
I'm also the proud owner of a 2-1 system....I have Nemish's old one, with a Mori can. I'm not sure how much "weld cleanup" he did, but it doesn't look like at lot.
I'm VERY curious to see what yours looks like in comparison. I have a close friend who hand-built a system for his VFR (which turned out very nicely). I'm thinking of commissioning him to do one for my SuperHawk...for integration into my swingarm project. I'd really like a left exit 2-1, but that might be too much?
Pics please?
I'm also the proud owner of a 2-1 system....I have Nemish's old one, with a Mori can. I'm not sure how much "weld cleanup" he did, but it doesn't look like at lot.
I'm VERY curious to see what yours looks like in comparison. I have a close friend who hand-built a system for his VFR (which turned out very nicely). I'm thinking of commissioning him to do one for my SuperHawk...for integration into my swingarm project. I'd really like a left exit 2-1, but that might be too much?
Pics please?
04-07-2008, 05:15 AM
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I guess I'll have to get my digital camera back from the gf....
Acknowledging that a picture is worth a thousand words, here, nonetheless, are the words:
- I cut the pipe just before it splits up again (in the end of the "1" section of the 2-1-2 set-up); this section of the pipe has a 2" diameter
- this gave me access to the joint where the two pipes join up; this is the portion I cleaned up with the dremel (ground away the sloppy factory welds to make everything smooth)
- I clamped the link pipe from the R1 Blue Flame can (which, thankfully, was also 2" diameter) to the header
- I had to cut the R1 link pipe as the bend wasn't right so I used a 2" joiner for a car exhaust to link up the cut sections of pipe and routed the second piece to the can, I then cut the second piece (which was too long) to the required length and fastened the whole think to the high mount bracket from the Micron.
- I went to an auto supply store and bought some decent clamps to keep everything together
In truth, I kind of lucked out in so far as the bend of the R1 pipe is concerned as I was able to make it fit using only one cut but, then again, I picked the Blue Flame can by looking at an example of a link pipe made for a VTR 2-1 set-up (and saw the two were quite similar). In other words, I rolled the dice, and won.
Acknowledging that a picture is worth a thousand words, here, nonetheless, are the words:
- I cut the pipe just before it splits up again (in the end of the "1" section of the 2-1-2 set-up); this section of the pipe has a 2" diameter
- this gave me access to the joint where the two pipes join up; this is the portion I cleaned up with the dremel (ground away the sloppy factory welds to make everything smooth)
- I clamped the link pipe from the R1 Blue Flame can (which, thankfully, was also 2" diameter) to the header
- I had to cut the R1 link pipe as the bend wasn't right so I used a 2" joiner for a car exhaust to link up the cut sections of pipe and routed the second piece to the can, I then cut the second piece (which was too long) to the required length and fastened the whole think to the high mount bracket from the Micron.
- I went to an auto supply store and bought some decent clamps to keep everything together
In truth, I kind of lucked out in so far as the bend of the R1 pipe is concerned as I was able to make it fit using only one cut but, then again, I picked the Blue Flame can by looking at an example of a link pipe made for a VTR 2-1 set-up (and saw the two were quite similar). In other words, I rolled the dice, and won.
04-07-2008, 04:23 PM
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BRB,
I am keeping the mid pipes from the jardine highmounts. Do you think this will create enough back pressue or not?
Here is a pic. i do like the look of no big cans:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...3&d=1207500748
I have 2 other ideas to creat back pressure... put on fish tails ( not sure if that is the right name) or make stack flaps like off a tractor trailer.
Any ideas about how to reduce the noise a bit with out sticking big cans on it?
I am keeping the mid pipes from the jardine highmounts. Do you think this will create enough back pressue or not?
Here is a pic. i do like the look of no big cans:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...3&d=1207500748
I have 2 other ideas to creat back pressure... put on fish tails ( not sure if that is the right name) or make stack flaps like off a tractor trailer.
Any ideas about how to reduce the noise a bit with out sticking big cans on it?
10-10-2009, 05:29 PM
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Mik,
I'm also the proud owner of a 2-1 system....I have Nemish's old one, with a Mori can. I'm not sure how much "weld cleanup" he did, but it doesn't look like at lot.
I'm VERY curious to see what yours looks like in comparison. I have a close friend who hand-built a system for his VFR (which turned out very nicely). I'm thinking of commissioning him to do one for my SuperHawk...for integration into my swingarm project. I'd really like a left exit 2-1, but that might be too much?
Pics please?
I'm also the proud owner of a 2-1 system....I have Nemish's old one, with a Mori can. I'm not sure how much "weld cleanup" he did, but it doesn't look like at lot.
I'm VERY curious to see what yours looks like in comparison. I have a close friend who hand-built a system for his VFR (which turned out very nicely). I'm thinking of commissioning him to do one for my SuperHawk...for integration into my swingarm project. I'd really like a left exit 2-1, but that might be too much?
Pics please?
10-13-2009, 10:34 PM
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I understand totally. It looks great, wasn't too spendy (thanks to Greg), and saves weight for sure. Did you ever have it dyno'd? I wonder if the Jardines make more power?
Actually it was my bro who built the VFR system. His made more power & saved weight.
He finally saw yours last week & liked the look, and was asking about internals. His had a merged collector and huge outlet to the cann.
Actually it was my bro who built the VFR system. His made more power & saved weight.
He finally saw yours last week & liked the look, and was asking about internals. His had a merged collector and huge outlet to the cann.
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