To wave or not to wave, to help or not to help
"little squirt" posted this youtube video about biker waves, its great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqykEhOIaRk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqykEhOIaRk
This is quite awhile after the original start of this thread, but I thought I'd give my perspective on waving from Minnesota.
I wave to everyone on a bike; scooters excluded of course. Those new scooters are tricky bastards to identify sometimes, especially at night with their halogen bulbs and sporty front ends. An accidental wave should be immediately withdrawn, promptly followed by a head-turn away. In the city you get fewer return waves, almost never from Harley or other big cruiser riders. Outside of the city, a wave is almost guaranteed from a non-Harley rider. A few years ago, a Harley wave was nonexistent, but last year I began to notice return waves from Harley riders - I'd say about 30%-40% of the time. Can't tell if it's changing attitudes (a rider is a rider, regardless) or if it's a changing demographic of Harley Riders - boomers getting onto Harleys who don't entirely buy into the Hell's Angels fantasy.
I prefer to chalk it up to a morphing realization that we're a part of the same group, albeit a diverse group with differing attitudes, styles, and motivations.
I wave to everyone on a bike; scooters excluded of course. Those new scooters are tricky bastards to identify sometimes, especially at night with their halogen bulbs and sporty front ends. An accidental wave should be immediately withdrawn, promptly followed by a head-turn away. In the city you get fewer return waves, almost never from Harley or other big cruiser riders. Outside of the city, a wave is almost guaranteed from a non-Harley rider. A few years ago, a Harley wave was nonexistent, but last year I began to notice return waves from Harley riders - I'd say about 30%-40% of the time. Can't tell if it's changing attitudes (a rider is a rider, regardless) or if it's a changing demographic of Harley Riders - boomers getting onto Harleys who don't entirely buy into the Hell's Angels fantasy.
I prefer to chalk it up to a morphing realization that we're a part of the same group, albeit a diverse group with differing attitudes, styles, and motivations.
I wave at everything on two wheels. Those scooters trick me a lot with the new designs. When waving, I have usually been riding for a while so my hand does the claw thing from gripping the bar. It's like a two finger wave but I extend the whole arm to let the other rider(s) know that I am making an attempt.
harley riders are fucken douchebags. i know a bunch of them, theyre all douchebags. i wont initiate a wave to them and if they wave ill wave back, goldwing guys arent that bad, those e bike pecker heads wave and get the bird in return.
I'm quite surprised at some of what I've read. I've been fortunate enough to spend some time riding in the US, mostly in AZ and CA, and have to say that the vast majority of all riders were immediately friendly and welcoming, no matter what they were riding. A wave or a nod was the norm and and ignorance very much the exception.
I've read where some of the European community find the whole waving thing kind of a crock. Maybe because riding is an accepted means of transportation among most all vehicle operators - with the exception of the usual ignoramouses that live everywhere in the world.
If I don't respond with a wave back there is a reason, usually I just didn't notice the wave for whatever reason. Heck, I wave a lot too, just because. We're out in the open and rather obvious as opposed to the four wheel crowd. I will also wave to drivers who acknowledge me or those in really cool street rods, muscle cars, or metrics that may glance over as I admire their ride.
I guess I'm just a friendly kind of guy...
Last edited by klx678; Apr 9, 2011 at 03:19 PM.
I don't give H-D riders too hard of a time... One time the first dood on the scene of my first really bad accident was a dude on a harley. He picked me up brushed me off and helped jerry rig my bike to get me home. But I don't wave at them unless they wave first. I wave at sporbikes and imports regularly. But If you are a squid doin stupid sh*t you'll probly get flipped the f off! And If I catch you ridin in flip flops, wife beater,shorts and no helmet you definatley get the BIRD.
There were more?!
Last edited by klx678; Apr 9, 2011 at 03:19 PM.
We don't wave so much here, we have "the nod"
A rider nodding their head as they pass going the other way is the tradition. Cruisers like HD riders or yamaharley owners tend not to nod or wave to sportsbikes.
If you do see their hand go up, it's normally cause they're trying to stop their skull hanky from flying off...lol
A rider nodding their head as they pass going the other way is the tradition. Cruisers like HD riders or yamaharley owners tend not to nod or wave to sportsbikes.
If you do see their hand go up, it's normally cause they're trying to stop their skull hanky from flying off...lol
Back in 1972 when I was 19 and working in a gas station some of the kids in the neighborhood that used to screw around in the area on their bicycles joked about that, making fun of a local motorcycle "gang" (more of a club, average guys like me, but on Harleys and choppers). The club was called "the Unchained". These kids come flying up, one riding his bicycle in the door wearing tee shirts with "the Unemployed" emblazoned on the front in Magic Marker with an unemployment building on it. But I digress...
These kids called that nod, that the guys on the Harleys often did, as "the chump wave". I find that kind of funny - the chump wave... I guess you had to be there.
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well i dont know if you ever heard the story but the original reason the wave began was becasue as you passed by the harley guys you had to point out the parts that were falling off the bike and they used to wave back, until, they found out what we were doing. I wave at everyone but most harley guys do not wave back. they are jealous that we can do more with our twins than they can!
Simply put:
I wave, if I think of it and if I can.
I wave back, if I see it and I can wave back.
However, I rarely wave to a biker who is on something so drastically different than my type. In other words, if I'm on a street bike and see a dirt/enduro bike: I won't wave. Nor will I wave at a scooter/moped. I probably won't wave at a Harley (or any type of custom cruiser) unless he/she waves first. But if they wave first, I will wave back (if I can), because I'll think its someone that knows me personally!
It's kind of like waving to a fellow Jeep CJ driver, but not to every other off road car you see. It's the acknowledgment to each other for being in a unique club. It gives each of you a sense of belonging to something special.
I wave, if I think of it and if I can.
I wave back, if I see it and I can wave back.
However, I rarely wave to a biker who is on something so drastically different than my type. In other words, if I'm on a street bike and see a dirt/enduro bike: I won't wave. Nor will I wave at a scooter/moped. I probably won't wave at a Harley (or any type of custom cruiser) unless he/she waves first. But if they wave first, I will wave back (if I can), because I'll think its someone that knows me personally!
It's kind of like waving to a fellow Jeep CJ driver, but not to every other off road car you see. It's the acknowledgment to each other for being in a unique club. It gives each of you a sense of belonging to something special.
damnit, one of those scooter clowns waved to me and i waved back, it was one of those that looks like a real bike but you sit on it tight legged like a chick. made me mad. and then a few donkeys on some harley type scrap didnt wave back. real nice, first weekend of the season and it starts already. oh and the cops were out good today too. theyre waiting, lol
Waves, nods, fingers and fists... All have an appropriate moment. Sport bikes get the low wave... Harleys get to " nine" o'clock, scooters and dirt bikes get the nod and cage drivers get a thankyou wave or the finger depending on their behavior. Oh ya Cops get the nod occasionally.
I do the hand out flat waive, and as for who.... I waive at everyone even had a few cagers gimme the hand out the window to go around so they didnt slow me down on the corners coming up..... so I imagine its just like everyone says it all depends on the person 2 or 4 wheels.....cant we all just get along?
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I'll wave to pretty much anyone or anything. Heck I even wave to folks on bicycles and rollerblades. And what's wrong with Scooters? I know one rider personally, and he wants to get a motorcycle now that he's hooked on the 2 wheel experience.
Where I discriminate - against anyone or anything - is when waving (or waving back) might risk my personal safety: apex of a blind curve, leaned over at speed, panic stop, etc.,etc. If I have to risk my a$$ to wave back to some friendly HD riders who happen to wave first, they'll just have to assume I am a conceited, unfriendly, "crotch rocket" rider. Hopefully I'll make up for it the next time.
Where I discriminate - against anyone or anything - is when waving (or waving back) might risk my personal safety: apex of a blind curve, leaned over at speed, panic stop, etc.,etc. If I have to risk my a$$ to wave back to some friendly HD riders who happen to wave first, they'll just have to assume I am a conceited, unfriendly, "crotch rocket" rider. Hopefully I'll make up for it the next time.
Well, I dont let apexes get in the way of a good wave, and neither does Vale:
YouTube - Max Biaggi Vs Valentino Rossi Suzuka 2001
YouTube - Max Biaggi Vs Valentino Rossi Suzuka 2001
Well, I dont let apexes get in the way of a good wave, and neither does Vale:
YouTube - Max Biaggi Vs Valentino Rossi Suzuka 2001
YouTube - Max Biaggi Vs Valentino Rossi Suzuka 2001
I mostly wave at Sunni's and rarely at Shi'ites and Wahhabi. If I'm in Belfast, I'll wave at Protestants but not Catholics because they're usually fingering their prayer beads anyway and won't wave back. In Gaza, I'll wave at Hamas, unless they're carrying an RPG; I never wave at IDF guys in uniform. When I'm in Los Angeles, I'll only wave at Naturalized Hispanics but not border jumpers...unless I'm rolling by Home Depot and I need some day laborers or a bag of oranges.
1. You are seriously leaned over in a turn
2. You are too scared or inexperienced to remove a hand from the controls (don't want anyone crashing just cause they tried to wave at me).
Well, Im not a Harely dirt bag rider by any means but I do enjoy riding it. I have an aray of bikes and am just a true MC fan of all types. Im not into the click thing like most HD riders, some BMW riders, and a few others of different feather..
I ride a 99 Superhawk, 97KDX220, BMW 06 GS1150 ADV, 04 HD Deuce, and a BMW R75, not to mention the Kids drit bikes.. I wave to (greet) everyone I can on MOTORCYCLES when out riding. Its quite funny how when Im on the HD or go to the HD shop, There all over me shooting the **** and checking out my bike. When I show up on the BMW or VTR, No one says a word until they realize its me. I get the exact same thing at the honda shop or BMW shop when I ride the "harly".. It kinda amusing and I make bets to myself as who will wave and who don't BASED on which BRAND I decided to burn the tarmac on.
I ride a 99 Superhawk, 97KDX220, BMW 06 GS1150 ADV, 04 HD Deuce, and a BMW R75, not to mention the Kids drit bikes.. I wave to (greet) everyone I can on MOTORCYCLES when out riding. Its quite funny how when Im on the HD or go to the HD shop, There all over me shooting the **** and checking out my bike. When I show up on the BMW or VTR, No one says a word until they realize its me. I get the exact same thing at the honda shop or BMW shop when I ride the "harly".. It kinda amusing and I make bets to myself as who will wave and who don't BASED on which BRAND I decided to burn the tarmac on.
I mostly wave at Sunni's and rarely at Shi'ites and Wahhabi. If I'm in Belfast, I'll wave at Protestants but not Catholics because they're usually fingering their prayer beads anyway and won't wave back. In Gaza, I'll wave at Hamas, unless they're carrying an RPG; I never wave at IDF guys in uniform. When I'm in Los Angeles, I'll only wave at Naturalized Hispanics but not border jumpers...unless I'm rolling by Home Depot and I need some day laborers or a bag of oranges.
LOL
The wave
First post here. I'll tell a little about myself before I get to the topic at hand. I am soon to be 29 years old, have been riding since I was 13ish. First bike I was ever on was my dads 79 winger. I must have been about nine years old. He took my for a ride that never quite ended although we were only on the bike for about five hours. First bike I ever rode was my friends tiny honda 50cc dirt bike. Learned that it's not about the handlebars right away! One summer when I was about fifteen, my dad pulled out his old '71 CB350 from the storage shed. I had never seen it run since I was alive. It needed to have the rear wheel re-laced and a set of new tires. The front brake never worked. I rode that bike everyday as long as there wasn't snow on the ground until I was 18. Learned a lot about what not to do. I was able to get the noob out of me really quite quickly riding that thing. Learned how to crash well, and how much it hurts.
Soon after turning 18 I moved to the "big city" and bought my first "big" motorcycle, a '00 Suzuki 1400 Intruder. It was love at first sight. I drove that beast around for three years and further honed my offensive / defensive piloting skills. Learned a lot about traction and a little about the opposite sex. Had a nice reality check one day on the way home from the beach. In a total rookie maneuver I was dressed in nothing but shades, shorts and flip-flops (I know, I know). Got side-swiped on the highway by some punk kid trying to impress his girlfriend by driving like an idiot in his dads shiny new Toyota. My left footpeg caught his rear wheelwell and tore most of his bumper off. My flip-flop flew past my face from contacting his wheel and the bike started into death dives. Thought for sure I was gonna lose it along with a good portion of hide. I relaxed my grip a little and the bike slowly came out of its wobbles. Pulled over and glanced down so see how many toes I was missing. Lucky, they're all there. Had a few choice words for the cager and made my way home. Used a pipe to bend my peg and highway bar back into position, then good to go. That was the last time I didn't wear the gear.
Sold that bike the following summer for an '03 DRZ400S, something about all that street legal suspension had me sold. A few years later I sold that and bought my first "sport-bike." She was a '98 VFR800 in mint condition. That was just about the most perfect bike I have been on. Around the same time, I bought a 2006 Yamaha Vino 125 for my girlfriend. I sold the VFR 2 years ago to my cousin and picked up another DRZ400S. Now, the DRZ is for sale and I have the opportunity to buy my co-workers '99 SH. I am thoroughly pumped.
Now, to the wave. When I was on the 1400, most sport bikes would give me the wave and almost all cruiser types. Once in a while I would notice the Harley guy cutting his wave short once he figured out that I was on a jap-bike. Riding the DRZ, almost all sport bikes give the wave, and very few Harleys. On the VFR, it was all sport bikes, most metric cruisers, and only a few Harleys. The strangest observation for me so far is when I'm riding the little 125 scooter. I get most Harley waves, then most metric cruisers and very few sportbikes. I should mention that I really do enjoy riding the little scooter. It just runs so perfectly and costs so little to feed.
My usual wave is two clutch fingers just a little out and below the bars...unless I'm in Rambo mode, then it's a vertical fist over the handlebar, like I'm about to cheers with a large mug of beer!
-Cheers
Soon after turning 18 I moved to the "big city" and bought my first "big" motorcycle, a '00 Suzuki 1400 Intruder. It was love at first sight. I drove that beast around for three years and further honed my offensive / defensive piloting skills. Learned a lot about traction and a little about the opposite sex. Had a nice reality check one day on the way home from the beach. In a total rookie maneuver I was dressed in nothing but shades, shorts and flip-flops (I know, I know). Got side-swiped on the highway by some punk kid trying to impress his girlfriend by driving like an idiot in his dads shiny new Toyota. My left footpeg caught his rear wheelwell and tore most of his bumper off. My flip-flop flew past my face from contacting his wheel and the bike started into death dives. Thought for sure I was gonna lose it along with a good portion of hide. I relaxed my grip a little and the bike slowly came out of its wobbles. Pulled over and glanced down so see how many toes I was missing. Lucky, they're all there. Had a few choice words for the cager and made my way home. Used a pipe to bend my peg and highway bar back into position, then good to go. That was the last time I didn't wear the gear.
Sold that bike the following summer for an '03 DRZ400S, something about all that street legal suspension had me sold. A few years later I sold that and bought my first "sport-bike." She was a '98 VFR800 in mint condition. That was just about the most perfect bike I have been on. Around the same time, I bought a 2006 Yamaha Vino 125 for my girlfriend. I sold the VFR 2 years ago to my cousin and picked up another DRZ400S. Now, the DRZ is for sale and I have the opportunity to buy my co-workers '99 SH. I am thoroughly pumped.
Now, to the wave. When I was on the 1400, most sport bikes would give me the wave and almost all cruiser types. Once in a while I would notice the Harley guy cutting his wave short once he figured out that I was on a jap-bike. Riding the DRZ, almost all sport bikes give the wave, and very few Harleys. On the VFR, it was all sport bikes, most metric cruisers, and only a few Harleys. The strangest observation for me so far is when I'm riding the little 125 scooter. I get most Harley waves, then most metric cruisers and very few sportbikes. I should mention that I really do enjoy riding the little scooter. It just runs so perfectly and costs so little to feed.
My usual wave is two clutch fingers just a little out and below the bars...unless I'm in Rambo mode, then it's a vertical fist over the handlebar, like I'm about to cheers with a large mug of beer!
-Cheers
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