This really sucks
10-07-2007, 05:33 PM
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This really sucks
Well, okay, it "sucks enough", at least in MY books.
Had some time today to take care of some msicellaneous projects on my VTR. Some successes ..... and a failure, literally.
I work in a machine shop, so I wanted to remove one of the PAIR reed covers and one of the tensioners so I could measure them up and get to business making a blank plate and my own manual tensioners. Started with the easy one first.
Yeah, easy.
Figured i'd deal with the front cover because it's so easy to get to. I removed the lower bolt first, no problem. Then I put the socket on the head of the other bolt, gave it a turn, and just as the bolt feels it's about to loosSNAP!
Oh for cryin' out loud! I can't believe it. I'm beside myself. Wtf just happened here?!??!?! I pull the ratchet and socket away to watch the bolt head fall to the ground below.
So, yeah, I can't wait to see what happens when I get to work on the tensioners! LOL!
Looks like my VTR and I are off to a beeeauuuuutiful start.
Oh well, at least I finished the work needed with the CBR929RR front end swap that was done before. I can now actually use the stock ignition lock.
Had some time today to take care of some msicellaneous projects on my VTR. Some successes ..... and a failure, literally.
I work in a machine shop, so I wanted to remove one of the PAIR reed covers and one of the tensioners so I could measure them up and get to business making a blank plate and my own manual tensioners. Started with the easy one first.
Yeah, easy.
Figured i'd deal with the front cover because it's so easy to get to. I removed the lower bolt first, no problem. Then I put the socket on the head of the other bolt, gave it a turn, and just as the bolt feels it's about to loosSNAP!
Oh for cryin' out loud! I can't believe it. I'm beside myself. Wtf just happened here?!??!?! I pull the ratchet and socket away to watch the bolt head fall to the ground below.
So, yeah, I can't wait to see what happens when I get to work on the tensioners! LOL!
Looks like my VTR and I are off to a beeeauuuuutiful start.
Oh well, at least I finished the work needed with the CBR929RR front end swap that was done before. I can now actually use the stock ignition lock.
10-07-2007, 06:07 PM
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(keeping in mind i'm new to this bike)
Judging by the hex shaped plastic thingy and the thread that was attached to it, along with the spring loaded do-dad ..... looks like someone ran into the problem i've been reading about lately - the dreaded "I broke the stupid plastic choke" issue.
May I inquire as to how you did this? I'd kinda like to learn from your mistake.
Judging by the hex shaped plastic thingy and the thread that was attached to it, along with the spring loaded do-dad ..... looks like someone ran into the problem i've been reading about lately - the dreaded "I broke the stupid plastic choke" issue.
May I inquire as to how you did this? I'd kinda like to learn from your mistake.
10-07-2007, 06:21 PM
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I have the front end off mine now, awaiting replacement fork seals.
You guys make me afraid to turn a wrench on it now!
OBTW- REALLY cool lighter. I haven't seen one of those in 30 odd years.
You guys make me afraid to turn a wrench on it now!
OBTW- REALLY cool lighter. I haven't seen one of those in 30 odd years.
10-07-2007, 08:08 PM
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Well, okay, it "sucks enough", at least in MY books.
Had some time today to take care of some msicellaneous projects on my VTR. Some successes ..... and a failure, literally.
I work in a machine shop, so I wanted to remove one of the PAIR reed covers and one of the tensioners so I could measure them up and get to business making a blank plate and my own manual tensioners. Started with the easy one first.
Yeah, easy.
Figured i'd deal with the front cover because it's so easy to get to. I removed the lower bolt first, no problem. Then I put the socket on the head of the other bolt, gave it a turn, and just as the bolt feels it's about to loosSNAP!
Oh for cryin' out loud! I can't believe it. I'm beside myself. Wtf just happened here?!??!?! I pull the ratchet and socket away to watch the bolt head fall to the ground below.
So, yeah, I can't wait to see what happens when I get to work on the tensioners! LOL!
Looks like my VTR and I are off to a beeeauuuuutiful start.
Oh well, at least I finished the work needed with the CBR929RR front end swap that was done before. I can now actually use the stock ignition lock.
Had some time today to take care of some msicellaneous projects on my VTR. Some successes ..... and a failure, literally.
I work in a machine shop, so I wanted to remove one of the PAIR reed covers and one of the tensioners so I could measure them up and get to business making a blank plate and my own manual tensioners. Started with the easy one first.
Yeah, easy.
Figured i'd deal with the front cover because it's so easy to get to. I removed the lower bolt first, no problem. Then I put the socket on the head of the other bolt, gave it a turn, and just as the bolt feels it's about to loosSNAP!
Oh for cryin' out loud! I can't believe it. I'm beside myself. Wtf just happened here?!??!?! I pull the ratchet and socket away to watch the bolt head fall to the ground below.
So, yeah, I can't wait to see what happens when I get to work on the tensioners! LOL!
Looks like my VTR and I are off to a beeeauuuuutiful start.
Oh well, at least I finished the work needed with the CBR929RR front end swap that was done before. I can now actually use the stock ignition lock.
10-08-2007, 12:33 AM
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Left hand drill bit, should come right out,, If not you already have th hole needed for a screw exstractor. Best bet, pull the cover and do the drilling in a drill press where you can control the bit, feed and depth much better. More time, less money when you do not slip up and tear in to the valve cover.
10-08-2007, 06:20 AM
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The most puzzling part about all this is how one bolt was fine and the other just let go. In all my years of wrenching i've never had this happen. Strange. Oh well, add another to the belt of experience. (shrug)
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
10-08-2007, 08:10 AM
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The most puzzling part about all this is how one bolt was fine and the other just let go. In all my years of wrenching i've never had this happen. Strange. Oh well, add another to the belt of experience. (shrug)
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
i'd just drill it in place. tape over the reed, it' doesn't need to be a large hole imo, make the plate, use THIN layer of RTV on the plate before bolting it back on.
you can finish the repair ' correctly ' the next time the cover is off to adjust the valves.
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10-08-2007, 08:13 AM
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The most puzzling part about all this is how one bolt was fine and the other just let go. In all my years of wrenching i've never had this happen. Strange. Oh well, add another to the belt of experience. (shrug)
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
ANYWAY, question - i'd rather pull the cover off for this (but haven't decided yet - gotta check local screw extractor supply resources/options). I hate getting chips all over a car/bike for something like this. Can someone please tell me if there is enough clearance for me to simply lift the cover over the valvetrain without removing the engine? I'm not sure how much I need to lift the cover to get it over the valvetrain.
Thanks.
10-08-2007, 08:42 AM
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the front one is a PITA ! ( of the two ). i pull the carbs & plastic shroud & lift the cover up through the frame.
i'd just drill it in place. tape over the reed, it' doesn't need to be a large hole imo, make the plate, use THIN layer of RTV on the plate before bolting it back on.
you can finish the repair ' correctly ' the next time the cover is off to adjust the valves.
tim
i'd just drill it in place. tape over the reed, it' doesn't need to be a large hole imo, make the plate, use THIN layer of RTV on the plate before bolting it back on.
you can finish the repair ' correctly ' the next time the cover is off to adjust the valves.
tim
10-08-2007, 10:18 AM
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I snapped a tensioner bolt last year while torqueing it down. Hate to say it, but they must be cheap.
Anyway, to be safe I replaced all 4 of the tersioner bolts w/ higher dquality stuff from Fastenal.
(Stuff like this is why I MUCH PREFER riding over wrenching.)
Anyway, to be safe I replaced all 4 of the tersioner bolts w/ higher dquality stuff from Fastenal.
(Stuff like this is why I MUCH PREFER riding over wrenching.)
10-08-2007, 12:53 PM
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I just went through some broken bolt heads on my friend's 1964 Buick Wildcat engine over the weekend... luckily the only siezed in the front timing cover and not the block but after being together for 43 years somethings gotta give you a hard time... all turned out fine when I was done.
10-08-2007, 02:11 PM
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Just taking a 5 minute break from it right now. The cover is off with no incident and little swearing (actually, none directed towards the job) and ready to be repaired. The front timing chain is now zip-tied to the cam sprockets (3 thick ties, should be enough) while I blueprint the tensioner and cover.
10-08-2007, 04:31 PM
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You know, sometimes I surprise myself at my level of stupidity, and at other times my level of intelligence?!??!?!?!
An example of each;
stupidity - "gee, I just finished installing new cams, heads and intake manifold in my car. Why won't it start now?!?! ..... Oh, I forgot to hook up the battery!"
intelligence - "gee, I better try removing that OTHER reed cover now, before I fix the first one, just in case one or both of those little bolts decides to break like before" ..... twisSNAP!
(I hope the censor thingy works here) ****! Super ****!
Yes, I now have to fix BOTH valve covers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a pic with me pointing lovingly at the second little culprit, direct desendant of the initial (that means the SAME location);
1, 2, 3, 54, 55, 56, 97, 98, 99, 100. (because counting to ten doesn't cut it sometimes) *deep breath*
An example of each;
stupidity - "gee, I just finished installing new cams, heads and intake manifold in my car. Why won't it start now?!?! ..... Oh, I forgot to hook up the battery!"
intelligence - "gee, I better try removing that OTHER reed cover now, before I fix the first one, just in case one or both of those little bolts decides to break like before" ..... twisSNAP!
(I hope the censor thingy works here) ****! Super ****!Yes, I now have to fix BOTH valve covers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a pic with me pointing lovingly at the second little culprit, direct desendant of the initial (that means the SAME location);
1, 2, 3, 54, 55, 56, 97, 98, 99, 100. (because counting to ten doesn't cut it sometimes) *deep breath*
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10-08-2007, 04:48 PM
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Hope she comes out easy, I snapped off the Counter shaft sprocket bolt and it is way back in there. I was luck in that i used a very new tiny drill bit and started a small hole in the middle. Then i jammed a small phillips head srew driver in the tiny hole and backed out the broken bolt.
I hope yours is not stuck due to corrosion, if so that is going to be a bitch to get out.
Good luck
I hope yours is not stuck due to corrosion, if so that is going to be a bitch to get out.
Good luck
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