The new guy and his VTR
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The new guy and his VTR
I've been watching this forum for a couple of weeks and decided to join the fun.
I'm new to VTR's but not new to bikes and have always prefered standard/naked bikes.
So I decided to build one based on the VTR.
What you see is a work in progress but is also my daily rider.
The forks, front wheel, brakes and gauges are 2001 CBR 929
The headlight is 599 aka Hornet.
Turnsignals are GSXR.
Oil cooler is late model Ninja 600.
Oh yeah, the radiator is VTX1800.
Since my original post the bike has evolved, I'll try and repost the pics as best as I can remember.
Kai Ju
I'm new to VTR's but not new to bikes and have always prefered standard/naked bikes.
So I decided to build one based on the VTR.
What you see is a work in progress but is also my daily rider.
The forks, front wheel, brakes and gauges are 2001 CBR 929
The headlight is 599 aka Hornet.
Turnsignals are GSXR.
Oil cooler is late model Ninja 600.
Oh yeah, the radiator is VTX1800.
Since my original post the bike has evolved, I'll try and repost the pics as best as I can remember.
Kai Ju
Last edited by kai ju; 06-01-2008 at 09:30 PM. Reason: re-attach pics
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Honda uses the same type of trigger ( Coil ) for both bikes, the tedious part was extending the harness and switching gauge connectors.
I also had to switch to '98 fuel sender to work with the fuel light.
I also had to switch to '98 fuel sender to work with the fuel light.
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How cool does it run with just one vtx rad? Seems like it would get REAL hot there, especially for the rider too! Where do you live? What did you do with the r/r?
Hot bike! 8)
Hot bike! 8)
#10
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FREAKIN' SWEET!!!!!! best naked super hawk conversion i've ever seen. i think the naked conversions look terrible with the side munt radiators, so thanks for moving them. looks better than an '03 SV1000 (which i love).
Last edited by inderocker; 04-24-2009 at 11:16 PM.
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First of, thanks for all the comments.
It seems that most of you like the way it turned out.
But like I said it is a work in process.
As far as some of the details, I had the idea several years ago when I saw a VTR without the tailsection and a VTX1800 radiator happened to be in my hand for a crash repair. A couple of quick measurements showed that it just might fit.
And it does, with about 2-3 mm to spare on either side.
The filler neck is in the back by the taillight and I installed a Schrader valve in the upper right hand corner so that I can bleed the system properly.The cooling system volume of the VTR and the VTX is within a couple of hundred cc's and with the plumbing I had to run to make it work it's about the same.
The bike runs at about 190F to a high of 210F with the fan constantly cycling.
I installed a manual ground for the fan switch and if I leave it own it actually overcools the engine.
The oilcooler is ZRX6 and oil temp runs at about 180F which is cooler than I expected.
I verified the indicated water temp with an infrared temp gauge and the 929 gauges are accurate.
The seat cowl is cool to the touch, as is the seat, even after a canyon blast. It seems the bike doesn't care what I do, it just cycles between the mid 190's and 207-8.
I cut the tailsection by hand and glued the screen in place from the inside.
The idea was that air would enter through the cutouts and exit down and out above the rear tire.So far so good.
It seems that most of you like the way it turned out.
But like I said it is a work in process.
As far as some of the details, I had the idea several years ago when I saw a VTR without the tailsection and a VTX1800 radiator happened to be in my hand for a crash repair. A couple of quick measurements showed that it just might fit.
And it does, with about 2-3 mm to spare on either side.
The filler neck is in the back by the taillight and I installed a Schrader valve in the upper right hand corner so that I can bleed the system properly.The cooling system volume of the VTR and the VTX is within a couple of hundred cc's and with the plumbing I had to run to make it work it's about the same.
The bike runs at about 190F to a high of 210F with the fan constantly cycling.
I installed a manual ground for the fan switch and if I leave it own it actually overcools the engine.
The oilcooler is ZRX6 and oil temp runs at about 180F which is cooler than I expected.
I verified the indicated water temp with an infrared temp gauge and the 929 gauges are accurate.
The seat cowl is cool to the touch, as is the seat, even after a canyon blast. It seems the bike doesn't care what I do, it just cycles between the mid 190's and 207-8.
I cut the tailsection by hand and glued the screen in place from the inside.
The idea was that air would enter through the cutouts and exit down and out above the rear tire.So far so good.
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Very interesting. Thanks for all the answers but you forgot two. Where do you live? I don't mean your address but what part of the world/country/state. Also, on the r/r issue: Heat is an enemy of the pathetic oem item. You'd better think about addressing that.
Judging by your first pics, I thought the vtx rad was small enough that it mounted behind the side screen (doh!). I don't think one rad, even with a fan, would be enough for me (105f tomorrow ).
Another question: what did you do with the rest of the electrics? Mount outside the subframe?
Judging by your first pics, I thought the vtx rad was small enough that it mounted behind the side screen (doh!). I don't think one rad, even with a fan, would be enough for me (105f tomorrow ).
Another question: what did you do with the rest of the electrics? Mount outside the subframe?
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I live in the L.A. area and it has been unseasonably cool, the only thing that gives me hope is that even after a severe flog in the local canyons,albeit on a cool day, the fan always cycled off and the temp never went over 208F.
I've been riding the bike now for about a month in every kind of traffic and not once has the fan remained on, it alway drops down to where the fan switch turns it off. Just in case I have added a manual ground to the fan circuit which allows me to keep it on, but I haven't had to.
So far it works better than it has any right to
The r/r is exposed to cool air behind the screen and so far so good.
Also, on the '02 everything is outside the subframe, one of the hardest jobs was the battery box. First I ruined the stock one and then succeeded with the one from the Big Ruckus, forcibly removed from the rest of it's electrical tray.
If I learned one thing from this project, it is how precious space is and how hard it is to find.
I've been riding the bike now for about a month in every kind of traffic and not once has the fan remained on, it alway drops down to where the fan switch turns it off. Just in case I have added a manual ground to the fan circuit which allows me to keep it on, but I haven't had to.
So far it works better than it has any right to
The r/r is exposed to cool air behind the screen and so far so good.
Also, on the '02 everything is outside the subframe, one of the hardest jobs was the battery box. First I ruined the stock one and then succeeded with the one from the Big Ruckus, forcibly removed from the rest of it's electrical tray.
If I learned one thing from this project, it is how precious space is and how hard it is to find.
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Re: The new guy and his VTR
Hey Kai ju,
It was great seeing you at the Rock Store today.
Your bike looks even better in person, lots of attention to detail.
The biggest drawback to a street fighter shawk has been the side radiators hanging out there in the breeze covering the frame / engine and making the whole side of the bike look cluttered instead of minimalistically clean, like a street fighter should.
You've solved the problem brilliantly.
Makes me want to strip nakkid!
(but this dosen't mean I want to take long, hot showers with you)
~Jeffers
It was great seeing you at the Rock Store today.
Your bike looks even better in person, lots of attention to detail.
The biggest drawback to a street fighter shawk has been the side radiators hanging out there in the breeze covering the frame / engine and making the whole side of the bike look cluttered instead of minimalistically clean, like a street fighter should.
You've solved the problem brilliantly.
Makes me want to strip nakkid!
(but this dosen't mean I want to take long, hot showers with you)
~Jeffers
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Very, very cool radiator mod! I'm just about to start my own streetfighter project, so I've got this page bookmarked as that is going to be one of the things I do. Would you mind getting some private questions when i get around to doing this work?
I want to check one thing - did you reverse the wiring polarity on the fan so that it blows air out through the radiator rather than sucking back into the seat cavity? Most radiators on front mounted systems are setup to draw air through the radiator from the front, rather than push from behind.
I want to check one thing - did you reverse the wiring polarity on the fan so that it blows air out through the radiator rather than sucking back into the seat cavity? Most radiators on front mounted systems are setup to draw air through the radiator from the front, rather than push from behind.
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Hi, Man that bike looks great. I am also building a streetfighter with my SHawk. I'm not ready to commit to the underseat exhaust yet because I still will be using for daily driving and want to keep my trunk space. Although when ever I get a new bike I plan to do the hidden radiator project. Would you be willing to share your design , maybe post a tech section on it with some pics of the hose routeing and how you relocated the electrical components. Keep fightin !
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Hi Jeff,
Thank's for the kind words. I have to admit the bike puts a smile on my face every time I ride it.
Hope to see you in the canyons again soon, btw are you going to the GP ?
Alex
Thank's for the kind words. I have to admit the bike puts a smile on my face every time I ride it.
Hope to see you in the canyons again soon, btw are you going to the GP ?
Alex
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The fan is the stock fan and it's a pusher.
I was kind of surprised myself because I was agonizing about how much air a reverse running fan could possibly move.
But when I looked at the stock fan I noticed that the blade looked different from other fans I've seen and when I plugged it in it actually pushed air through the radiator.
On the '02 all the bulky components are outside the subframe, i.e. between the subframe and the cowl on either side.
The starter solenoid and ECM are on the left and the reg/rec, converter and turnsignal relay are on the right side.
When the time comes I'll gladly share my experience but first I want to run it in some hot temps which we haven't had yet.
I'll keep you updated in that regard.
I was kind of surprised myself because I was agonizing about how much air a reverse running fan could possibly move.
But when I looked at the stock fan I noticed that the blade looked different from other fans I've seen and when I plugged it in it actually pushed air through the radiator.
On the '02 all the bulky components are outside the subframe, i.e. between the subframe and the cowl on either side.
The starter solenoid and ECM are on the left and the reg/rec, converter and turnsignal relay are on the right side.
When the time comes I'll gladly share my experience but first I want to run it in some hot temps which we haven't had yet.
I'll keep you updated in that regard.
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Although not the wildest streetfighter we've seen I would grant possibly the most meticulously thought out one. Kudos. You need to sell that mod complete with aftermarket cutout cowl. I would expect that this would cool way better than stock for one reason. . .No hot engine air. I guess too if it has any trouble in the hotter weather you have enough room that you could add a second fan, no?
Edit-Stupid Monday morning spelling problems.
Edit-Stupid Monday morning spelling problems.
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And I thought all the innovative customizers worked at chopper shops or on Moto GP teams. You've restored my faith in the creative capabilities of the average joe. Very nicely done.
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I can't help looking at your bike. I am not a huge streetfighter fan but I love the rad. mod. even if I don't move the rad. I just might have to steal the mesh in the rear cowl. Not only does it break up all the red but it would provide more air to that friggin R/R. Nice mod!
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Re: The new guy and his VTR
Here's a few more pics of Alex's bike from last Sunday.
http://mmdrake.exposuremanager.com/g/june_19_2005
~Jeffers
http://mmdrake.exposuremanager.com/g/june_19_2005
~Jeffers
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Thanks for the additional pics (angles) Jeffers. It appears Kai has a good screen in place but I'd strongly suggest the largest wheel hugger he can find and quick before holeing that rad.
The bike reminds me of an SV650 now. Too bad Honda never made a SuperHawk Lite, lot's of missed sales there.
The bike reminds me of an SV650 now. Too bad Honda never made a SuperHawk Lite, lot's of missed sales there.
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Thanks for posting the pictures, they show that the bike gets to play rather than just commute.
As far as holeing the radiator I'm being the eternal optimist, but seriously, I do have a hugger that I have not had the chance to install yet.
The biggest issue will be clearance between the radiator and the hugger, since right now, the way it is, I only have about 1/2 inch and that is with a 5mm shim between the upper shock mount and the frame.
Speaking of which, anybody have any suggestions for a decent replacement ?
As far as holeing the radiator I'm being the eternal optimist, but seriously, I do have a hugger that I have not had the chance to install yet.
The biggest issue will be clearance between the radiator and the hugger, since right now, the way it is, I only have about 1/2 inch and that is with a 5mm shim between the upper shock mount and the frame.
Speaking of which, anybody have any suggestions for a decent replacement ?
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