After further reading on the Monster S4R (2005 edition) it's beginning to grow on me.
I'd choose a (2005 onwards) Monster S4R over the SV 1000 N, but it's much more expensive...
Right now I ain't got any money,so any bike,should I buy, will have to be in spring next year.

There's enough time to think and gather some money (hopefully). But i'm pretty sure I won't have enough for the S4R...

 

I didn't realize it was this guy until now. Never mind on the FZ1.

 

As in "he's an idiot and most likely he will 'total' the FZ1 in no time"
right?

 

As in "with an FZ1 he will meet his destiny at a higher rate of speed."
Be careful.

 

I have been seriously considering the Aprilia Shiver 750. Its specs are very close to the VTR and the day I paid off my VTR you could have found me on a brand new orange 09 at the dealer waiving my VTR title in the air saying someone please sell me this bike. No one responded oddly enough.


That brand new 09 shiver.... $6999.00

 

Thanks mate, will do everything possible to prove you wrong (joking).
In a more serious manner, I will be carefull,it's my life afterall

 

Well I would say an SV650 would be your best bet. The reason being this statement: This tells me a lot.

Being an old guy, I have ridden many different bikes. While I am prejudiced to the VTR, IMHO you couldn't be more wrong with your statement.

Once you get the suspension sorted, a VTR is a very easy bike to ride. Yes I will admit, with the stock suspension, it can do some weird things. Though I also believe you should set your suspension to the rider weight no matter what the bike comes with. It just Honda real shipped the bike with a poor spring choice on the model.

After you take care of that, you can do all kinds of silly things, with this bike, and have no issues.

You do sound like you have an issue with anyone commenting on your riding and seem to feel it is a put down or personal insult. Sorry you feel that way and it might get you killed.

Yes, call it a bit of "tough love" but it has to be said.

Looking at your 2 "accidents" there is one common factor:

In the first one, you were going too fast for the conditions. I don't remember all the details, at this time, but you couldn't stop and binned the bike. That is 100% rider error. There is no other way to look at it. It's part of learning to ride within your abilities.

Now the second "accident" once again, you were going to fast for the conditions. You also made a change to the bike without understanding the consequences of the change that you made. Both 100% on you my friend.

First you broke a major rule: Never try to go fast on a road you don't know. That is how you got yourself into a decreasing radius corner carrying too much speed. I have no idea what control inputs you made but you ended up in the ditch, so they had to be the wrong ones for the situation. Which makes it 100% rider error

Now add in the 200 series tire you were running. I guess you didn't realize that the bike will not turn with that tire squeezed on to a 5.5" rim due to the odd tire profile you have created by doing so.

Those two factors put you in the ditch and both are 100% on you.

Now, once again, don't take any of this as a personal attack or put down. Just an old "Gray Beard' telling you what I see.

IMHO the best thing you could do at this point is after you get another bike is do a track day. I think this would help you in many ways from bike control to learning what speeds you actually can carry through a corner.

As for a bike. Like I said before IMHO you should get a SV650. The suspension will be crap, if it hasn't been changed already. If it's stock, go on the SV boards and figure out you budget. Then get the best suspension, you can afford, on the bike.

Then go out and learn how to ride on the street. What I see is that you don't know how to stay under 80% of your abilities on the street. Either you don't know what your abilities are or you're not honest with yourself about your abilities.

To learn your limits, track days are the only real place to do this. Plus they are damn fun....

As for knowing your abilities all I will say is don't let pride get you killed.
I see you at the point in your riding that you need to make the choice of do you want to be a "Rider" or someone who "Rides a Motorcycle".

If you want to actually be a good rider, first get the 650 and do the suspension. Then not only get a couple of track days in but also find a "Mentor". I have over 40yrs of riding and I have one...... I still learn something every time I take the bike out. So you never stop learning.

Generally you can find one by either going on a local on-line forum or ask around at the track days but find a local experienced rider that is willing to work with you. Learn things like "Trail Braking" (which would have saved your *** in this last "get off") and how and when to use the rear brake, speed control, proper "street lines" because riding on the street has its own set of rules.

But take your time and ride the 650 for a couple of years and really learn to ride it. Then go back to the liter twins. Whichever one you want at that time and things will be good.

Now if you want to just be a guy that rides a motorcycle. Then get whatever liter twin you want. My only advice then would be to slow the **** down. You are damn lucky not to be dead right now. If that pole would have hit you anywhere from your waist to your neck, things might have turned out a little different.

At this point, you can look at what I have said one of two ways. Either some guy just giving you a bunch of ****.

Or somebody taking the time to write this all out to actually try and help you.

I've seen guys like you many times over the years. They have all gone one of two ways...... either they take the advice and become damn good riders and get to have years of enjoyment out of it.

Or they don't and you see another R.I.P. thread posted. Which is bad enough but there is also the possibility you could kill someone else or do something like this:‪Johnny5 Head on Crash 07/23/2011‬‏ - YouTube

Sorry for the long rant but personally, I really don't want to see you kill yourself. Honestly, you have gotten real lucky twice now. I wouldn't count on it continuing.......

 

8541hawk: half you've been giving me bunch of ****, half good advice

putting the joke aside, try to understand that our riding schools here (where you get the driver licence for motorcycle) are crap. They don't teach you anything.
There NO TRACKS in this country, there are no trainers.

So all those lines you wrote carefully & advices regarding track & training are worthless,because I'm unable to to any of this.

This isn't a debate about my skill or abilities. It's obviously that I still lack experience, since I haven't been riding that long. I thought this was an obvious thing.

I admited myself that both accidents were my fault. I was running faster than I shouldn't. period.

this discussion is not about my ego as a rider, or me trying to explain myself in a silly way that it was the bike,it was the road, it was the heat etc.
No, it was my stupidity to push the bike too fast in a bend which I was supposed to have a slower speed.
That's called lack of experience.
I got a chance to ride that 200 tyre enough to know that it wouldn't have been a danger, if I had ridden the bike more safely & properly..
It's true, you can never do the things you do with a 180 tyre, on a 200 tyre, but for average riding, the 200 was ok.

Let's not forget I don't think of myself as some sporty GP racer. I'm an average dude that likes to ride.
If you want to push the VTR a bit, obviously, there is no place for 200 tyre on the VTR.

I'll see what bike I'll get, it all depends on the available money,which is zero at the moment. I just launched this discussion since I'm on medical leave, i have a lot of time on my hand so i just wanted to see some opinions.

I want to appreciate taking the time to break it down to me, on some points I agree with you,on some,not.
I respect your opinions and thanks for your time.

BTW, my failure was pretty much exactly like that dude's in the video you posted.
I was lucky I went on the outside of the bend, not on the inside.
As you said, there were other horror scenarios with that pole & etc.
Good thing I'm alive.

Riding here isn't the same like riding in your area.
If I wanted, I don't think there is any place where I can take some pro riding lessons, on a track let's say.
The roads are much worse, holes, crappy asphalt, cows & ****.
Drivers are not used to bikers and unfriendly , and so on..

So we don't have it that easy..there are a lot of factors which add up to ending it wrong here..

LE: I remembered. VTR is NOT a forgiving bike: as in it's twitchy with the throttle. What I mean is you have to be more careful with throttle control on a bike like VTR than on a 600RR or other 4L.
Most 4L will not pull that hard unless they go past certain RPM.
VTR has pull very early and on easy twist of the throttle. This is why I said it's not that forgiving with mistakes..
If you see it different, I ask of you to explain,if you please..

 

Ilive out in the middle of nowhere but still own an Aprilia Tuono, KTM SuperDuke, Bimota DB6 Delirio, MV Agusta 910R Brutale Gladio, and a 1050Speed Triple. No dealers in the whole state for most of those brands but no problems to date. Aprilia currently is blowing out non current Tuonos for a mere $7500.00- chump change. AF-1 in Texas has a new white '09 Tuono for $7999.00. Even though there's a handful of dealers in the state that could service my six Japanese bikes there's no need for their help. These days all brands are very reliable- some more so than others. Comfort and style vary widely with the Euros lookin' better and the Japanese offering a bit more comfort.