johnclopp85

That cop was 100% in the wrong. I understand having your gun out in that situation, but thats why we are trained to take cover and have your firearm at the ready. From my experiences people pulling out any kind of weapon usually do it in one sudden motion, not turning around slowly.

Erik S.

Being in the Military, i understand training, and more training, and training when you're absolutely and exhausted, so that it becomes instinctive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't part of his training.

I watched the video multiple times before responding. When the rider stopped, his right hand was on his thigh, and he was turned to look at the officer. Throughout the entire video, his right hand remains on his thigh. At no point did he move it up. At the time he was shot. He turned to check on his friend, but his hand remained on his thigh.

Under deadly force, he exceeded the force that was being used against him.

Sorry, I understand the split second decisions that have to be made, but his training doesn't require him shooting the guy.

I don't agree with suing the city for everything. He should be taken care of, but do you think that this type of revenge will solve anything, will it make him feel better? Probably not. The city should pay for his medical care for the rest of his life, and compensate him for lost work.

trinc

there is no need to come off as weary that your going to be gunned down by the police. The riders actions set the stage for the officers over reaction.
( attemping to allude & didn't put his hands up when told. )


tim

thetophatflash

This crap happens all the time and all the officer has to do is claim he felt threatened and he walks. I repeat this is not an isolated event. Also, speeding etc. does not warrant shooting. We recently saw a local officer let off after shooting a drunk in his car 7 times in the back. Even his fellow officer saw no reason to escalate to this level. I think his words before he shot were" It's time to end this". I advise staying away from people with guns is the best way not to be shot!

rackovanz

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thetophatflash

I agree that its a tough job, but if you can't make quality decisions without killing and or crippling the alleged criminal maybe you should do something like sell shoes. Excessive police violence is on the rise and little in training or officer selection is being done to stem this.

Erik S.

This is crap. His actions? He stopped, it may have been after his buddy lost control, but if you're running (and there is a thread on this BB about running from cops) you keep running, he stopped.

Then he looked to see what was happening with his buddy.

Did you read the article, where it said that he was trying to put the bike in neutral and that he was polite even after being shot? Something to the effect of "Would you please help get the bike off me?" If he was running, would he be polite? I doubt it.

Deadly Force does not authorize this shooting. That was the charge against him, excessive force.

Did you hear audio no the tape? Do you know that officer, in his split second decision, remembered his training and instructed the rider to put his hands in the air? Do you know if the rider could hear and understand the instructions? Do you know if the LEO repeated his instructions in the event that the rider didn't understand the instructions. Lots of unknowns.

The officer had no indication that he was reaching for a weapon? He may not have complied immediately, but that doesn't warrant a shot.

His actions? If his actions warrant being shot, then so do yours and mine. We have used excessive speed, displays of power. That is what I saw in the video. Do you want to be shot Tim?

May your God have mercy on your soul for inferring that he deserved being shot and subsequently paralyzed.

In the end, the justice system and a jury of his peers found him guilty of not following procedure and using excessive force.

It's sad that in a split second, a Law Enforcement Officer lost his job and a 24 year old man lost the use of his lower body.

Jim TT