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11-11-2011, 02:56 AM
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11-11-2011, 05:45 AM
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B.......Two very important differences between the people who took out their loans and the people who wrote the loans:
The people who took out the bad loans didn't know ahead of time that they would not be able to meet the terms and were not advised as such by the people who gave them the loans, who knew without a doubt they would not.
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The people who took out the bad loans didn't know ahead of time that they would not be able to meet the terms and were not advised as such by the people who gave them the loans, who knew without a doubt they would not.
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I get very frustrated by people who want to blame others for their bad decisions. These people need to take responsibility for their greed just the same as the lenders. I see these people as having the "I wants", wanting what others have. they entered into that contract (loan) of their own free will. Why do they not accept responsibility for signing their name?
It's the same with people putting money in the stock market. People (including myself) put money into stocks, or mutual funds, or whatever way you want to invest there. They (and I) know full well that the market is volatile and there's no guarantees. Why is it they are upset when the market goes south and they lose money? Did anyone actually believe that the market was going to rocket north forever? There HAD to be corrections. it always happens, and always will. The reason for it is greed. People see others making big money and they want a piece of it. I made that decision on my own, and I am willing to live with the consequences of my decisions. Why is it that people want to blame everyone else? I just don't get it.
(there...I feel much better now that I got that off my chest. LOL)
Oh, and Davidka, I'm not really ranting at you. your comment was a somewhat common one, and my comments weres meant in general.
11-11-2011, 03:22 PM
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And the politicians and bureaucrats who wrote the regulations and passed the laws making it all possible? Who voted for TARP bailing out the lenders and leaving the homeowner high and dry?
They are all doing just fine. Three of them got handsome promotions- U.S. Secretary Of State, Vice President Of The U.S., President Of The U.S.
But let's not mention any of THAT.
Let's sleep in the park, pee in the bushes and demand the government get US some free stuff.
They are all doing just fine. Three of them got handsome promotions- U.S. Secretary Of State, Vice President Of The U.S., President Of The U.S.
But let's not mention any of THAT.
Let's sleep in the park, pee in the bushes and demand the government get US some free stuff.
11-11-2011, 05:47 PM
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Get a life, get a job, buy a motorcycle. It's fun out here but dipshits don't last long.
11-11-2011, 06:41 PM
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And the politicians and bureaucrats who wrote the regulations and passed the laws making it all possible? Who voted for TARP bailing out the lenders and leaving the homeowner high and dry?
They are all doing just fine. Three of them got handsome promotions- U.S. Secretary Of State, Vice President Of The U.S., President Of The U.S.
But let's not mention any of THAT.
Let's sleep in the park, pee in the bushes and demand the government get US some free stuff.
They are all doing just fine. Three of them got handsome promotions- U.S. Secretary Of State, Vice President Of The U.S., President Of The U.S.
But let's not mention any of THAT.
Let's sleep in the park, pee in the bushes and demand the government get US some free stuff.
As for how it turned out for the 3 senators (out of 100), BO won a nomination and a national election and the right to appoint the Secretary of State, just like every President before him. It's not mentioned because it's not relevant to the situation or the conversation.
11-11-2011, 07:03 PM
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Are they demanding the FedGov stop taxing, borrowing and spending us into oblivion? Are they upset about this year's 1.4 TRILLION dollar deficit? The current 16 TRILLION dollar debt? The 50 TRILLION+ in unfunded liabilities they signed us, our kids and grand kids up for?
What I hear is tax the "rich" and give me some.
What I hear is tax the "rich" and give me some.
11-11-2011, 07:34 PM
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11-11-2011, 07:41 PM
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So, lets say there are two news sources delivering the message. One says they are lazy hippies trying to take what you have, the other says they are a growing group of the population that wants accountability. Which one do you think has the axe to grind?
11-11-2011, 07:45 PM
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I salute you for admitting it was two administrations and 16 years, 'cause it was every Dems favorite modern Pres. who signed NAFTA, enabling and encouraging American firms to fire their unionized workforce, close their plants and move to Mexico. Where they could pay workers seventy-five cents an hour, dump their waste in the river and send product back here tariff free.
Same Clinton who signed Permanent Most Favored Nation Trade Status for China, allowing and encouraging all of the above times 1000.
Same guy who hired the Goldbag-Sachs CEO as Treasury Secretary. Together they successfully lobbied Congress to repeal Glass-Steagall. Allowing state chartered banks to become mega-banks "too big to fail" and destroying the firewall between FDIC insured consumer banks and the Wall Street gambling casinos.
To be fair, G.W. Bush was a brain addled moron who went along with the same program.
As for Obama, Biden and Hillary?
The U.S. Constitution has a remedy for ******** who run their companies into the ground. It's called bankruptcy court.
Obama, Biden and Hillary chose instead to bail out their mega-buck benefactors with middle class tax dollars.
Same Clinton who signed Permanent Most Favored Nation Trade Status for China, allowing and encouraging all of the above times 1000.
Same guy who hired the Goldbag-Sachs CEO as Treasury Secretary. Together they successfully lobbied Congress to repeal Glass-Steagall. Allowing state chartered banks to become mega-banks "too big to fail" and destroying the firewall between FDIC insured consumer banks and the Wall Street gambling casinos.
To be fair, G.W. Bush was a brain addled moron who went along with the same program.
As for Obama, Biden and Hillary?
The U.S. Constitution has a remedy for ******** who run their companies into the ground. It's called bankruptcy court.
Obama, Biden and Hillary chose instead to bail out their mega-buck benefactors with middle class tax dollars.
11-11-2011, 07:51 PM
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I hear this too and fully agree with your stance on it.
I also am suspicious of a few things.
1) Throwing feces makes a great news story. Discussing the unrestricted laws and endless bailouts of the government for the corporations? Boooorrriinggg.
2) There are actually people in OCW b/c that want free money and dental exams. For not doing work. I never really interpreted these people as being the main point of the protest, just stragglers who are always at these things saying stupid stuff.
Side story on that, I remember a gun protest in AZ a few years ago, and there was a guy at the capitol dressed in full camo and shoulder mounted semi-auto guns. Looked like an armory. So the news channels interviewed him. Turns out, he was very very articulate, knew much more about the reasons of the protest and his gun rights than the interviewer and had a very civil and respectable conversation. It seemed as though the news channel scoped out the most vocal and biased looking individual to get a good story, and turns out they got actual human discussion... (it backfired)
I don't know really where I'm going with this, but I can see why you'd be frustrated with the silliness of what some of these people are saying.
I also am suspicious of a few things.
1) Throwing feces makes a great news story. Discussing the unrestricted laws and endless bailouts of the government for the corporations? Boooorrriinggg.
2) There are actually people in OCW b/c that want free money and dental exams. For not doing work. I never really interpreted these people as being the main point of the protest, just stragglers who are always at these things saying stupid stuff.
Side story on that, I remember a gun protest in AZ a few years ago, and there was a guy at the capitol dressed in full camo and shoulder mounted semi-auto guns. Looked like an armory. So the news channels interviewed him. Turns out, he was very very articulate, knew much more about the reasons of the protest and his gun rights than the interviewer and had a very civil and respectable conversation. It seemed as though the news channel scoped out the most vocal and biased looking individual to get a good story, and turns out they got actual human discussion... (it backfired)
I don't know really where I'm going with this, but I can see why you'd be frustrated with the silliness of what some of these people are saying.
11-11-2011, 07:55 PM
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Shoot, any company big enough to be in the stock market has some bias. So all of the big ones...
11-11-2011, 08:32 PM
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11-11-2011, 08:43 PM
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Gotta leave for now, but I was just speculating that larger public news media could be influence by the right people with the right paycheck...
FYI I haven't been tying to shoot anything you say down
11-11-2011, 08:50 PM
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I didnt think that you were, I just didnt get it. And yes, someone with enough skin in the game and owning a "news" organization might just change the rules. By the way, how about the ordered beating of the Berkley protesters. They just starting beating the crap out of chicks and dudes standing in a line.
11-13-2011, 07:19 PM
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ie the Teamsters and General (now Gover-mental) Motors. Yeah, I'll buy one. Only to see a substantial portion of my purchase price go to over-priced retirement plans.
11-16-2011, 12:59 PM
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11-16-2011, 08:02 PM
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Not sure what anything in your post has to do with anything in mine but that's OK.
I'm curious. What is your favorite "solution" demanded by the protesters?
I'll tell you mine.
The one where everybody gets a living wage whether they work or not combined with a totally open border where any and all of the world's 2.5 BILLION desperately poor people can wander, hobble or crawl over here to collect their "living wages".
That would be way cool 'cause dude, I'm like sick of working for a living and paying the mortgage and bills and having to buy my own food and mega **** like that.
'Cause like when people come up with a sober, well thought out plan like "free **** for everybody" we need to take them seriously!
I'm curious. What is your favorite "solution" demanded by the protesters?
I'll tell you mine.
The one where everybody gets a living wage whether they work or not combined with a totally open border where any and all of the world's 2.5 BILLION desperately poor people can wander, hobble or crawl over here to collect their "living wages".
That would be way cool 'cause dude, I'm like sick of working for a living and paying the mortgage and bills and having to buy my own food and mega **** like that.
'Cause like when people come up with a sober, well thought out plan like "free **** for everybody" we need to take them seriously!
You say "go after the government not the corporations" - but what are you going to do...tell them not to be humans? The corporations are the problem - lobbying, moving jobs, etc..., and if they can't do something for profit they'll use money to convince politicians to change the rules for them.
Money talks, always will - we need stiff penalties for lobbying, and moving jobs overseas...don't tell politicians not to be influenced, make the influencing itself illegal.
Also no corporate contributions to campaigns...all election money should be provided by the population at large (taxes collected from people AND corporations) based on votes for that party.
Want your portion of the money to goto the dems or the gop? Vote that way.
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11-16-2011, 08:06 PM
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Big Biz Republicans love the open border for the cheap labor and damage it does to private sector unions.
"Progressive" Democrats love it for the never ending supply of clients and voters for the welfare state they promote and administer.
It's the marriage made in hell.
Dems and Big Labor once gave a rip about private sector workers and their unions until they realized it's WAY easier to organize government workers and "bargain" for wages and benefits from the political ****** whose campaigns they finance rather than bargain with a business owner who has skin in the game and money to lose.
Big Biz Repubs KNOW these policies will result in the end of their party, but figure by that time they'll have hustled too much money to give a ****.
So how does a "low wage" immigrant live, let alone support a family on $7/hr.?
Of course he doesn't. He doesn't have to. There's the food stamps, WIC coupons, Section Eight housing vouchers, "earned" income tax "credit" etc.
Middle class tax payers subsidizing the labor costs of wealthy corporations, brought to you courtesy of the "progressive" party which cares SO MUCH about middle class working families.
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs. It's what government does best. Bloviating about love for the middle class while destroying it.
"Progressive" Democrats love it for the never ending supply of clients and voters for the welfare state they promote and administer.
It's the marriage made in hell.
Dems and Big Labor once gave a rip about private sector workers and their unions until they realized it's WAY easier to organize government workers and "bargain" for wages and benefits from the political ****** whose campaigns they finance rather than bargain with a business owner who has skin in the game and money to lose.
Big Biz Repubs KNOW these policies will result in the end of their party, but figure by that time they'll have hustled too much money to give a ****.
So how does a "low wage" immigrant live, let alone support a family on $7/hr.?
Of course he doesn't. He doesn't have to. There's the food stamps, WIC coupons, Section Eight housing vouchers, "earned" income tax "credit" etc.
Middle class tax payers subsidizing the labor costs of wealthy corporations, brought to you courtesy of the "progressive" party which cares SO MUCH about middle class working families.
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs. It's what government does best. Bloviating about love for the middle class while destroying it.
I will concede on one thing you said though...why the hell are we encouraging people to border hop by providing citizenship (and food stamps, welfare, etc...) to their children? No european country does this! One parent should be required to have citizenship or else GTFO.
Also no government job should ever be union...that is a perversion of the labor movement...
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11-16-2011, 08:57 PM
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For all the republican lovers..... Who was the first president to get in bed with China?...... Nixon. Hmmmm
Unions are one of the last groups that have benefits... No wonder Republicans want to do away with them.....
Unions are one of the last groups that have benefits... No wonder Republicans want to do away with them.....
11-16-2011, 09:13 PM
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Just imagine if Jesus closed off heaven because of the bad people. This sort of punishment never made sense to me growing up (and I imagine you), but if one person can ruin it for all, then what does your behavior matter? Getting rid of programs because someone missuses it is stupid. Just imagine if motorcycles were outlawed because someone rode one irresponsibly.
11-17-2011, 07:27 PM
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It was your hero DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton who hired the WALL STREET'S GOLDBAG-SACHS CEO as treasury secretary and signed NAFTA and permanent MFN for China. Insuring the destruction of American factories and the American millions in the unionized private sector work force, aka the American middle class, aka the Industrial Base of the U.S.A.
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11-18-2011, 02:30 AM
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