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Old 11-07-2011, 10:43 PM   #1
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Occupy movement is important, if you can't see or don't understand that you're part of the reason why it's important.

That said...feces and urine? lol...geez
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I honestly don't understand what these protestors are expecting to achieve. There will always be corrupt people manipulating the system. Are you going to sit on the side of the street with a sign waiting on the government to shut down these large banks that provide hundreds of thousands of jobs and pump money into an already dry economy? I'm not lazy enough to wait around for someone to fix all my problems. You will find that once you start working hard and living your own life you become less interested in how other people make their money.
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........large banks that provide hundreds of thousands of jobs and pump money into an already dry economy?

If you do some reading on the problems the Occupy movement is trying to address you'll find it's quite the opposite.
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Occupy movement is important, if you can't see or don't understand that you're part of the reason why it's important.

That said...feces and urine? lol...geez
Important for whom?

Seems to me the whole "movement" is driven by the have nots who want what the haves have. They are unhappy with their situation and instead of taking responsibility for their own destiny they have resorted to blaming other people, institutions, companies etc etc for their problems.

Time to reap the benefits of that liberal arts college degree kiddo.

What I'm pissed about is my cell phone and cable bill. Protest something that matters to me dammmmmit!

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Interesting thoughts... that was worth the read.
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Interesting thoughts... that was worth the read.
There's a lot more where that came from. His blog on this situation has been going on since the economic meltdown that triggered these protests.
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I'm liking some of the stuff I'm reading by this guy.
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I think he's as full of BS and whining as the other side is. Any time a political debate starts, both sides try to grab selected information that slants toward their own side. No one on either side try to listen to the other and actually change their opinions. It's probably not even worth the brainpower (or lack thereof) to even write this.

<sigh>

Just my opinion, of course.

Personally, I'm waiting to see how the protesters handle winter.
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Just my opinion, of course.
And it's worth beans

My opinions change too much to really feel comfortable on any "side", but this kind of stuff is a curiosity.

I can't watch the news anymore because the agenda is so boring to me (let's interview this weirdo and then form thoughts around an already pre-determined political stance). No one changes their minds; everyone just talks louder.

But tonight after work I'm going to finish replacing a head gasket on the truck and make some dinner. That should help some kind of movement, right?
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How does six weeks camping out in and defiling public property, living in your own filth, demanding free food and a "living wage regardless of employment" make you important?
Red Rover. Red Rover..... Send the brain cells on over.....
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And it's worth beans

My opinions change too much to really feel comfortable on any "side", but this kind of stuff is a curiosity.

I can't watch the news anymore because the agenda is so boring to me (let's interview this weirdo and then form thoughts around an already pre-determined political stance). No one changes their minds; everyone just talks louder.

But tonight after work I'm going to finish replacing a head gasket on the truck and make some dinner. That should help some kind of movement, right?
Beans may be an overstatement! LOL

Personally, this evening I'm working on getting Christmas lights ready. Every year I contribute about $300 to the economy buying new/replacement lights, then another $200 to the public utility lighting them up over the holidays.

(sorry for the thread hijack....I'm tired from working too much)
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I can see some of the protestors from my building....how did some of them afford such nice camping equipment?
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While I don't thing the Occupy movement will have the ultimate effect they're hoping for the message is important.

I think it was you RK1 who I was conversing with in the concealed carry thread who pointed out that people would not stand by while a chunk of their money went out the door(guns being taken away) so I have to ask, is your home worth what it was in 2007? Do you owe more for it than it's worth at this point? I don't know your circumstance, you might not have this problem but many do. LOTS of their money walked out the door when the mortgage crisis came to roost. Large chunks of the bailouts were paid out in bonuses to the very guys who (intentionally) made this happen. These guys robbed the taxpayers of BILLIONS of dollars knowing good and well what was going to happen before hand.

Knowingly contributing to the damage of your country for personal gain is treason, is it not?

FWIW, you'd have done better than to have the top link in your OP be a Palin bit. She's kinda like the Paris Hilton of politics, amusing to observe but not to be taken seriously.
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While I might not agree with their techniques, I believe in what they are rallying for.

For those who don't know exactly what everyone is upset about, take 5 minutes to look through these visual aids....

I think a lot of people don't realize what they are fighting for, and think it's a bunch of lazy people who want something for nothing and free hand outs. That's not the case.

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the scroller bar on the right makes it look really long, the info only goes about a third of the way down.
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When you have no skin in the game(or think you don't), the game looks quite pointless. As I read through the comments I see someone say its pointless to stand up against what is wrong, because there will always be wrong. I also see others saying that they can't see/tell/understand what they are fighting for, even when given reasons. Wall Street robbed America. Some of us felt it, others didnt have been partially immune to it, but THE FACTS ARE IN. It actually happened, people are actually pissed off, and the ones camping out are the ones feeling it. If an OWS participant throws a little feces around, should the whole crew be disbanded and discredited? If a CCW participant shoots a bystander...I had to ask.
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I think blaming most, let alone all of the problem on "Wall Street" alone is very naive.

It's the crony corporatist nexus of Big Government colluding with Big Business, enriching and empowering each other at the expense of ordinary people.

You're missing half of it. The only half with the power to steal your money- legally.


Why would a bank write mortgages for people who can't afford to pay them? Oh, Yeah. Because the government told them to. Because "the poor" and "minorities" deserve to own a house, whether they can pay the freight or not.

And government set it up so banks could pocket the fees and any profit while dumping the worthless paper on the taxpayer through Freddie Mac or TARP.

Great deal if you're a bank. Privatize the profit, socialize the loss. Only government and its politicians can do that. And that is exactly what they did.

Oh but the problem isn't those pillars of integrity who run our wonderful government and made all this possible! No! It's the banks who did exactly what the government encouraged and enabled them to do.

No, the "occupy" answer to the problem is more and bigger government screwing us out of more money. And they're REALLY gonna help the poor and minorities this time! Promise! And the children!


PS I could have refied my house for $550k in early '08. Be lucky to get $225k for it now. I could have pulled out the cash (over half a million at the time), bought a big bag of gold eagles and rented an apartment. I didn't. Does that mean I've got some integrity or does that make me an idiot? Sometimes I wonder.
You're right, the problem is hopeless. Those 'effin protesters only force us to realize how totally fucked all of us really are. If they would just pack up their tents and go away, we could all go back to really important stuff like why Michael Jackson died or what Charlie Sheen is up to... and other mega **** like that.
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You're right, the problem is hopeless. Those 'effin protesters only force us to realize how totally fucked all of us really are. If they would just pack up their tents and go away, we could all go back to really important stuff like why Michael Jackson died or what Charlie Sheen is up to... and other mega **** like that.
That's it, I thought I was the only one allowed to write satyr and sarcasm. I am never coming back as you aren't taking this seriously.
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The one where everybody gets a living wage whether they work or not combined with a totally open border where any and all of the world's 2.5 BILLION desperately poor people can wander, hobble or crawl over here to collect their "living wages".
So, this is the extent of this individual demand. They want to be paid for not working. As in, this is literally the demand. They also want a completely open border policy with no regulation, no registration as a citizen, nothing? Don't you think that goes contrary to their collectivist/socialist ideals? Doesn't a closed border go counter productive to the free market economy ideals? Wouldn't a business who is shipping jobs overseas/across borders want to have that cheap labor force come to a city near them? Don't you want the people who work for these companies to spend the money they make in your economy?
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Wait, RK1, I'm not entirely sure why you're so dismissive of the OWS situation... it seems like there are a bunch of jobless weirdos amuck, but they are at least be bringing up the discussion of the legal system allowing big banks and corporations to run around and do pretty much whatever they want with our money.

But who else is going to protest? I'm certainly not going to quit my job to do so... better they're there than in food stamp lines...

I haven't seen any definite demands coming from the movement other than extreme individuals, which I really can't ever take seriously. It seems that the government is a big player in what's being protested... do you think OWS are just lazy free-loaders or maybe people who know somethings wrong but have a misguided focus?
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Big Biz Republicans love the open border for the cheap labor and damage it does to private sector unions.

"Progressive" Democrats love it for the never ending supply of clients and voters for the welfare state they promote and administer.

It's the marriage made in hell.

Dems and Big Labor once gave a rip about private sector workers and their unions until they realized it's WAY easier to organize government workers and "bargain" for wages and benefits from the political ****** whose campaigns they finance rather than bargain with a business owner who has skin in the game and money to lose.

Big Biz Repubs KNOW these policies will result in the end of their party, but figure by that time they'll have hustled too much money to give a ****.

So how does a "low wage" immigrant live, let alone support a family on $7/hr.?

Of course he doesn't. He doesn't have to. There's the food stamps, WIC coupons, Section Eight housing vouchers, "earned" income tax "credit" etc.

Middle class tax payers subsidizing the labor costs of wealthy corporations, brought to you courtesy of the "progressive" party which cares SO MUCH about middle class working families.

Privatize the profits, socialize the costs. It's what government does best. Bloviating about love for the middle class while destroying it.
So, I get some of your points...but they seem to go against some of your arguments on other topics. Rather than dig up every place I see a discrepancy, I will give you an example of a discrepancy that I see in the Republican party at the national level that illustrates why I am frustrated and in the middle (not to say that there aren't issues with the democratic party, but I just recently divorced the Right and am most pissed at them).

Right wing stance: Constitutionalism, Religion, Freedom, anti-welfare, etc. These can be views, but have fighting central themes. Major item with the first two, separation of church and state. It seems like a long time ago the Right should have told the people , "we have no business in your business". Enter Freedoms argument...nuff said. But, how does the welfare item come into this. You have a group that is anti abortion, anti birth control, pro freedom, pro constitution, anti welfare, and some might argue slightly racist. So, you have inner city families, the ones that tend to have a higher teen pregnancy rate, lower income, that usually are on welfare, of which a majority are not white (although this plight is not one that Whitey is immune from). How can the argument be made that abstinence is key, planned parent hood (condoms) are bad, they have the freedom of religion (well, as long as its christianity, and devout of course), and they should get off the teet while they are at it? Ideally, yeah, sure, whatever... but as you and many argue(on many issues), it wont happen. So, you have a choice... condoms for all, or welfare for the kids of single poor mothers. In this case, if they would allow administering contraceptive via crop duster, I think that the republicans would be all for it. Even with the prospect of stunting the growth of the democratic base, I would think they would be for it.

It is these contradictions that have driven me from the right. Do I still hold right wing views? Some, but I bet I am more in line with the founding fathers than most of the tea party. Sure, the founding fathers would be against any type of gun control, but they rode horses, many lived on farms miles away from others, and carried guns everyday from the time they were old enough to hold one. And, this is a big one (or two), the social norms, laws, and such almost guaranteed a more polite society and guns were a chore to shoot and our pistols now are more accurate than the rifles they had. Where's your flint? Does this make me anti constitutional by some of the posts that I have made? In your eyes and others, yes. I am ok with that.

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Because most all, if not all the financial excess and rip off and corruption was promoted, encouraged and in fact rewarded by the politicians who run them federal government.

If they were serious, they'd be "occupying" Congress and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

If they were serious they'd be demanding the resignation of Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden and Barak Obama- All Senators who in 2008 voted to give nearly a trillion dollars of our money to the Wall Street mega millionaires who funded their campaigns.

If they were serious they would have joined the Tea Party two and a half years ago.

I really don't see what the focus is except they're pissed that some people have more stuff than them. They don't seem to mind that the government rips off and wastes such a large percentage of the peoples' wealth. They're pissed they didn't get their "fair share" of the rip off.
Frankly, I think this is becoming a cop-out for you. If we gave ultimate freedom to corporations, and they violated the sanctity of their social contract (lets say polluted the shi* out of a river while making huge profits) and a group of people Occupied said business, would this be a huge waste of time, efforts that should be spent elsewhere for another cause, and their sole reason because "they want what others have".

I dont give a crap who deregulated it at this point, but the tea party and republicans aren't looking to re-regulate this and the financial institutions and wall street did "pollute" our economy on a level greater than the exon valdez. This is why people are pissed, and not running towards the group of no taxes and ultimate freedom.
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In my defense, I never said this was you. If you look at who I said it about, I think that you will see I never said RK1, this is YOU. But, you obviously associate yourself with the groups I accused, even though you don't hold the same beliefs on every topic as them and are now accusing me of accusing you of these things(although we accuse the OWS of the same guilty by association mantra). If you think that the tea party or the republicans dont stand for what I have accused (notice, I didnt mention you), then show me the proof with voting records that shows this. I don't mean individual outliers, but the movement or political groups overall record. I just dont think that will be something that can be proven, although I am up for being proven wrong whenever I get a chance.
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nice; I have been occupying and working for a month now.
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......so I have to ask, is your home worth what it was in 2007? Do you owe more for it than it's worth at this point? I don't know your circumstance, you might not have this problem but many do. LOTS of their money walked out the door when the mortgage crisis came to roost..............
First things first. Did you buy your home to live in or as an investment?

If you bought to live in, you agreed to a specified price, now pay it. Do you return your car because it's worth less than when you drove it off the lot?

If you bought your home for an investment then your investment lost money like many stocks on the market. That's the price of investing.

Real estate speculation is just that, speculation and not guaranteed to pay off.
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First things first. Did you buy your home to live in or as an investment?
Both, just like everyone else. Historically it is not an unreasonable expectation in an affluent area. I'm doing pretty well compared to the rest of the country. I have lost very little equity in my home. My retirement investments on the other hand...

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Maybe you should turn of MSNBC. Try reading, evaluating and thinking for yourself.

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What's an MSNBC?
Palin is a knucklehead. I knew the GOP was lost when they put her on the ticket.

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Unwise, and just plain stupid, choices by recipients of home loans are at least as responsible as the banks for the financial problems they got into.
Two very important differences between the people who took out their loans and the people who wrote the loans:

The people who took out the bad loans didn't know ahead of time that they would not be able to meet the terms and were not advised as such by the people who gave them the loans, who knew without a doubt they would not.

The people who took out the bad loans got their lives ruined, the people who wrote the loans got rich. The financial institutions they worked for failed. They stayed rich and in many cases got richer still.
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Both, just like everyone else. Historically it is not an unreasonable expectation in an affluent area. I'm doing pretty well compared to the rest of the country. I have lost very little equity in my home. My retirement investments on the other hand...



What's an MSNBC?
Palin is a knucklehead. I knew the GOP was lost when they put her on the ticket.



Two very important differences between the people who took out their loans and the people who wrote the loans:

The people who took out the bad loans didn't know ahead of time that they would not be able to meet the terms and were not advised as such by the people who gave them the loans, who knew without a doubt they would not.

The people who took out the bad loans got their lives ruined, the people who wrote the loans got rich. The financial institutions they worked for failed. They stayed rich and in many cases got richer still.
And that is why it is called predatory lending.
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