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Old 05-17-2005, 11:44 AM
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I have stock filter and de-baffled exhaust, and I am running stock jetting with no issues.

However, with K&N and pipes that you have, you DEFINITELY need to rejet, as you are running too lean. Running lean means running hot, and running hot damages the engine.

Do spend the time and money to rejet properly.
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Jetting?

I have 2Bros high mounts, K&N also. I have 45 stock pilots and 178/180 mains. TPS set at 510. It almost sounds like you might have a vacuum leak? I'm sure you've checked carefully. Also, mine has a rock steady idle if the carbs are sync'd exactly otherwise I get various problems. When sync'd it will rarely go out of adjustment but it always goes out of adjustment when I remove/replace the lower airbox.

PS: You live is a great town ! I know Poulsbo very well and visit often, I may even relocate there sometime!
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Old 05-18-2005, 10:59 AM
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Re: Jetting?

This is my first post and I would say it is appropriate that it is on the Tecnical Forum as I was a Honda mechanic years ago. Anyway your problem is a lean running condition (backfiring is a symptom of a lean mixture), the pipe will cause you to run lean in and of itself but a K&N will really add to the problem as intake mods tend to have a greater effect than exhaust mods. Yes you need to re-jet and Factory or Dyno Jet kits are good and I assume the make a kit for the Superhawk. JIM

BTW I have a '98 Superhawk, a '94 VFR 750, a 95 500 Interceptor, and two '70 CB500s.
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Old 05-18-2005, 02:42 PM
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welcome aboard, Jim! it will be nice to have you around!!
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:46 PM
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Re: Jetting?

Originally Posted by Jim TT";p=&quot View Post

BTW I have a 95 500 Interceptor

WOW, those are reeeeeealy rare!

Mine was jetted and still would do that along with a 2-3.5k rpm stumble that was finally cured by raising the needles.
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Old 05-19-2005, 05:42 AM
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Re: Jetting?

superbling,
your 2-3rpm cough went away after raising the needle. what position are you on the needle.
My bike runs great from idle to redline when on the gas. I have a cough at 2-3 when i am at not on the gas. i have adjusted the mixture screws and it is almost gone... but still there stightly.
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Old 05-19-2005, 08:21 AM
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Hey thank you for the welcome; here is a pic of the VF500:


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Re: Jetting?

A 48 pilot is the way to go. The jet kits usually have a 50 pilot and the stock pilot is a 45.
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Old 05-20-2005, 05:21 AM
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Re: Jetting?

Do anything to a stock VTR's intake or exhuast...first thing is to disable PAIR. In my book, this isnt an option... its a must. If it means reverseing the reed plate, clamping the two hoses, or pluging the nipple above the reed plate cover (they all cut off air flow), whatever... they all work.

Still have backfires and odd pops...then rejet.
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Re: Jetting?

Originally Posted by jb";p=&quot View Post
superbling,
I have a cough at 2-3 when i am at not on the gas. i have adjusted the mixture screws and it is almost gone... but still there stightly.
I have a dynojet kit and 4th is recommended while I needed to raise to the 5th to cure the 2-3.5k rpm stumble. Be careful when working with those tiny, tiny circlips. I had one pop off during the installation and they get REALLY small once they fly off! BTDT. Spread a white or light colored towel under your work area to catch those suckers.
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Re: Jetting?

I know what it's like to look for a needle clip....I have found that the clip is less likely to fly if you push the needle on to the clip vs pushing the clip on to the needle.
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Old 05-20-2005, 10:34 AM
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Re: Jetting?

Originally Posted by EMetz996";p=&quot View Post
Do anything to a stock VTR's intake or exhuast...first thing is to disable PAIR. In my book, this isnt an option... its a must. If it means reverseing the reed plate, clamping the two hoses, or pluging the nipple above the reed plate cover (they all cut off air flow), whatever... they all work.

Still have backfires and odd pops...then rejet.
Right. The PAIR system can lead you on a lean-fire wild goose chase.
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Re: Jetting?

I just did the Dynojet install last night. The kit recommends that if you are using a K&N filter then you need to put the needle clip on the 5th position and go up 2 jet sizes (180 -> 185 etc). If you don't use the K&N then its the 4th position. Maybe they changed their instructions but thats what it says now.
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Re: Jetting?

When I got my '98 it had just been serviced and it had been concluded that the jetting was 'excellent'. On the dyno things looked great, above 4k rpm of course. But it wasn't rideable in the city due to a misfire at 3k rpm. It has Erion pipes and stock air filter and supposedly had been rejetted. I moved the needles up one clip supspecting a lean mid-range, yanked the PAIR system to silence the exhaust popping, adjusted the TPS (I don't recommend this BTW). Recently I found that the springs and needles had been replaced up top, but that it is running all stock jet sizes. I guess it's a partial rejetting. I think it runs OK and I'm a bit tired playing with it at the moment, my only complaint is excessive vibration above 5k rpm even though the carbs are synched. I think it may be fuel starved when I whack open the throttle due to the stock jets (any thoughts on this?). My long winded recommendation is to listen to the group here and also follow the stetup from Greg Nemish's website:

K&N filter
Hindle round slip-ons
Sea level
Slow jet: stock #45
Mains: 185f/188r
Needles: clips in 2nd from bottom
Mixture screws: ~2.25 turns out

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Re: Jetting?

Why dont you recommend the TPS mod? Everything Ive read so far suggests this is da'bomb.
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I believe the tps is only used to control timing advance on the VTR. Does anyone know of any other use?
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Re: Jetting?

re:TPS mod

here is another area which yields conflincting opinions. I have spoken to three reputable tuners and all have said the mod is a waste of time. It seems to me that if the bike was designed to run at 500 ohms, then ideally it should be run at that for optimum performance. Who knows.

It seems to evoke opinions much as the K&N filter does.

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Old 05-23-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Jetting?

I think it needs to be considered before done. The manual indicates it should be set to 500 ohms but it's not in the routine maintenance, only if you're replacing one. There seems to be a wide range of what people encounter for initial settings, as well has how the resistance can be controlled. I found the mod easy to do, but I couldn't even set the TPS at 500 ohms, mine won't go below 615 ohms. I didn't like where that left me and didn't want to start drilling wider holes or bending stuff. My TPS reads just below 500 ohms when it's off the bike with no tension on the spring. Also I did it when I was doing other carb work which is a bad idea because if it's out of tune you don't know what you did to mess it up. I just think it's better left alone, my two cents anyway.
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