98 VTR with 14000Kms...

the Honda filter costs $65 (canada). Should I use the Honda air filter or fancy K&N filters. What is the difference, if any ?

If I use K&N - do I have to do I have to tinker with anything else - I am afraid to make things worse. The bike handles and performs so well - I hate to spend money to make it be worse.

Any input will appreciated....

 

k&n requires jetting, some have had trouble getting this right some haven't. If you dont want to do any work put the stock one in. Also depends on mods and if you want to start to do any mods. Works well with my set up. I originally started with slip-ons, jet kit and k&n. but to each their own

 

If you have a stock motor with stock jetting, stick with OEM. Why fix it when it's not broke?

 

Well I paid 35 bucks here at a local shop, it's not a Honda but it's paper and it fits perfect

 

$35 Canadian? Manufacturer?

 

Luckily I have found the box, well as for the brand lol, well I'll say N.
Sticker on it says ND-H61 HONDA 17210-MBB-000 VTR 1000F
Quality was fine, it was a paper filter, could not see trough and there were no leaks. Had it at Boscomoto shop here in Victoriaville and even forgot to get my 10 % discount.
Edit : I'm good diging **** on the net, find a dealer that have the ITL catalog
http://www.importationsthibault.com/...e=en&page=E-72

 

I agree with AZZKIKER....keep the OEM filter until you start to change things.

 

Anyone here running a BMC (street) air filter? What about the BMC race version? I was wondering about the difference between the two (specifically in the hope of learning if it is feasible/possible to use the race version on the street)?

thanks

 

BMC? never heard of them.

 

BTW, thanks for the link gboezio. I will have to look into those filters. Did you notice any impact on the running quality of the bike from runing that filter (lean spots, hesitation,...)?

cheers

 

I am running a BMC race filter. I ordered it from factory and when I talked to them and asked which version I should go with, they asked me about the mods I have and I told them that I have a full exhaust and the jet kit and they recommended the race filter. They said the street would be good with slip ons and not with a full exhaust. The filter is excellent quality and it is dyno proven in my case.

 

thanks. Just curious as to what you mean by "dyno proven"?

cheers

 

Well hard to tell because I installed the DJ kit in the same time, but I do have a huge lean out at 2-3k RPM low throttle. Did 2.5 turns on the idle screws, seem not to be enough. Did not synch the carbs yet but I'll do when I get more time, the bike runs great. The old air filter had 3 years on the clock and I was still faster than my friend's buell by a little, now I'm faster a tiny bit more.
Just came back from a ride, just turned my 1000th Km this year woohoo.

 

It is the filter I used to make ALLLLLL that ferocious VTR power. LOL

 

Did you compare it to the stock or a K&N to see how it fares in terms of output and power distribution/spread? Any tuning difficulties with it?

Don't mean to pester you with questions, it's just that I am considerring trying one and want to make sure I am making the right choice.

thanks

 

Actually, the dyno tech did a dyno run with the stock filter and the A/F mix was on the rich side and did not make the power it made with the BMC. I don't have the dyno graph for that. Basically you have to match your air to your fueling. If stock is what works with your jetting, then so be it, but usually when you change your setting, you will need to change the filter.

 

You sure you're not running rich? Try pulling the choke a bit and see if it goes away. If so, that is the cutoff where the needles start to work, so you may want to try going back to 2 turns on the mixture screws and one position higher on the needles.

 

No it's lean as hell, I have to keep the choke on until the temperature stops bouncing up and down, but it was quite cold when it misfired.

 

Okay, you're lean then. Try the above.

 

If you want REAL cheap, click on the pic:

 

Tell me this isn't your bike.

 

Man......there is just SO much that could go wrong there.

Just imagine a loose piece of paper element that you didnt catch, being pulled into a carb. Or a gob of the RTV sealant used.

I mean god I'm cheap, but........no way

 

Yup, different strokes for different folks. I've been using this method for the last five years on my bikes. Nothings "blown up". Do you really think a loose bit of paper or rtv (not that I've had either happen) would eat a piston? LOL Anyway, maybe you missed the OEM wire mesh screen underneath the filter would catch any loose particles except dirt of course.

Speaking of dirt, I roll my eyes at folks* who spend big bucks on k&n's to let in more dirt. It's not that the more dirt part, it's that they gladly pay a lot more to do it.


*I didn't see your sig line stating you run a k&n filter until after I replied so don't take this personal.

 

I do like your setup, more paper = last longer, flows more and catch it all. I like when people find alternate solutions and this is the kind of thing I would do.
Props to you for the how to pics. Call it an air filterectomy.
As for my jetting it seem to balance out when the weather gets to normal temperatures so I'll leave it like this for now.

 

No offense taken. And yeah, I had forgotten about that anti-backfire mesh on the OE's.... K+N's do filter as much as you're really going to need, but the trick is keeping them oiled (but not OVER oiled).... Without the oil there, they don't filter for crap... I ran a non-oiled type cotton gauze filter on my old Mustang and was cleaning my throttlebody once a month...but nothing else made the power that that setup did. Over-oiling them, on a bike, not really a big deal so much... On a car however, if there's a mass air meter, that oil has been known to contaminate the filament.