Tweety

If the engine is warm, pulling the "choke" out, means the engine should die... That's normal...

Apart from that, white smoke is bad... I'd have a talk with the shop... Seems you found yourself a lemon...

8541Hawk

Umm how much oil did you put on the filter?
As for the external leak, that would be a different problem....

7moore7

Do this: https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=23868

Jk. I found a lemon in mine too... here's to learning about motorcycles!

geekonamotorcycle

So I immediately took her down to fj Motorsports. Whom I trust and have worked with in the past.
The mechanic reports gas in my oil probably from a stuck floater. I had him change the oil which is when he discovered the plug bolt was snapped in half... he extracted the busted half and put in a new bolt. I need it to runtill Thursday when I take it to the place I bought.

7moore7

Then what?

geekonamotorcycle

Then I force them to fix it.

Saige Claw and I were checking her out and noticed this. We are not sure if this is normally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ_isz2arY

geekonamotorcycle

Wow saige and I have discovered some pretty fucked up stuff under the hood of my bike.
The PVIR was connected to the nipple on the bottom of the petcock. that nipple had fuel running out of it and into whatever the other end is connected too. Probably my crankcase. which explains the Gasoline in oil that FJ discovered today. It probably also explains my loss of oil and my constant smoking. There was nothing connected to the nippl at the back of the petcock.

I submit these videos as evidence. For 2k miles my bike has been running in this way.

While it was a theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zojUSXZkcQM

Putting it to the test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHB58OLfOY

When the problem first arose after me putting 1900 miles on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyuxSAZYXM

geekonamotorcycle

Ok first off. I went to go eco because they had the bike I wanted specifically. Also My buddy chest to take got a f4i there and has had no problems to this date. As have many people. I, however am not one of them.

I will post the videos in order at the bottom of this thread.

Yesterday I went to watch the shuttle launch the bike ran fine on the way over. after I finally got gas at a "kangaroo" station I noticed the bike running badly. I thought it might be bad gasoline. or clogged up airfilters. Yes the bike had eaten allot of oil over the last month, but I did but 2k miles on it in less than a month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyuxSAZYXM - Near the end of that video you can see the problems I was having.

So this morning I opened up my air-box and discovered a nasty KN filter. I also discovered that the two mini air boxes are missing their corresponding filters! So I have run 2k miles missing air filters... Great
There was a strong gas smell and gobs of smoke. Also Black "oil" was leaking from my exhaust pipes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLj_VvHonMY - Examining the problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scPQb87c6O8 - smoking.

I immedietly took the bike down the street to FJ and they dicovered Gas in my oil. The black "oil" was a mixture of gasoline/oil/carbon(from the exhaust we did not know why yet). I had them swap my oil and Then Saige69(a very very knowledgeable VTR owner) and Claw(just a nice guy and awesome flashlight holder/joker) came over for a tear down. We pulled of the air-box (which had a stripped velocity stack screw that saige got out) and ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ_isz2arY - Troubleshooting, we discovered odd Carb behaviour.

We(saige69) then discovered the source of the problem.
The petcock has two fuel lines and a PVIR which uses vacuum power to operate the petcock. There is also a (weeper?) nipple that does nothing. Instead of the vacuum line being connected to the petcock it was connected to the (weeper?) nipple. SOMEHOW the bike operated this way for 2k miles! It is a common mistake, however on lesser VTRs the bike simply will not power on. Exia somehow ran 2k miles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zojUSXZkcQM - Connecting the petcock properly. The WTH at the end is when we notice that the weeper was actually squirting gasoline(it should not be doing this). Saige's theory is that even though the system was connected improperly; there was enough vacuum coming through the weeper to actuate the fuel valve on the petcock. What happened during my ride across the state yesterday and this morning is that the weeper finally broke and began leaking fuel into the head of the rear cylinder which is the one that is operating incorrectly. The gasoline suckled through the weeper and mixed with my oil is what caused the leaks into my exhaust system.

Running properly connected in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHB58OLfOY
The exhaust note is completely different and stronger. The compensation we made to the idle adjuster because it was idling lower resulted in the idle being high with a proper petcock connection. No gas/oil/carbon leaked through the exhaust. Though it smoked like never before. This may be a result of what was left in the system being burned off. The choke is operating without killing the bike. The rear carb now causes a dip in speed when covered; though it does not kill the bike like covering the front one does. There may be a broken diaphragm in the rear carb.

This is a quick rundown of Saige's **** versus Geekonamotorcycle ****.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0QOqh9CgVk

This is use guessing what he breather line was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl2j7Tb6QHo

Saige thank you very much for coming when you did. You're knowledge of this bike is impressive.

At this moment the bike has its tank off. We know what the problems are and we know how to fix them. I will not pay to get them fixed.
Go Eco sold me a bike with a problematic transmission. Missing 2 air filters and with a completely improperly connected fuel system.

Utter carelessness or incompetence.

I am attempting to make my way down there on Thursday to find out what can be done. Unfortunately they had me sign paperwork agreeing to an arbiter so I may be screwed if they do not do me right. On the other hand the repairs needed are not terribly complex or expensive and I have a spare engine/tranny coming in next week should things be really bad.

Stay tuned.

P.s anyone have a motorcycle ramp and willing to haul a bike to pinellas park in exchange for beer?

geekonamotorcycle

I have made an easier to read post about this

http://geekonamotorcycle.com/2011/02...d-up-big-time/

saige

its not a problem,im a little bad at explaining,but i could take things apart and put back together without a problem.
I learned alot from this forum,ive done alot,alot of reading here.i know this bike pretty good.
we will get her running right,weather eco does it or not.

geekonamotorcycle

saige the TSB guys are having a field day lol
http://tampasportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48589

Hawknut

That is not oil it is raw (unburned gas being pumped thru exhaust).Why? #1 buy a petcock rebuild kit.It appears from your videos that it is not working(shutting off fuel)properly.#2 Pull the carbs and i bet you will find dirt in one of the needle and seats(float shut off).These two conditions caused the gas in your oil(I'm betting).#3 in the one video you had it running and was trying to show smoke.Again raw gas being heated in the exhaust being heated.Why raw? It clearly was only running on one cylinder because of a fouled spark plug on one cylinder.To sum it up--you had gas in your oil and a fould plug caused by a needle and seat that did not shut off(dirt) with an ample supply of fuel because your petcock failed and did not shut off.Rebuild petcock,clean carbs,replace plugs,put everything back together the way it was and see how it runs.Just my 2 cents.

7moore7

geek- Just gonna throw this out there... I'm pretty new to diagnosing motorcycle problems myself (at least compared to some of the ridiculous guys on this forum), but have learned a lot pretty quickly by getting into the bike when it had problems (and mine had it's fair share). This is kind of a rare motorcycle and so many shops scratch their head when they work with it.

That link that I showed you before illustrates this: guy took it to a shop, they destroyed his motor, frustration ensues. Basically, do what you want, but I've had better luck researching things on this forum and working through service manuals than taking it to the place you bought it. While it is their job and they should be professionals, it would be tough to expect them to go through the bike tip to tip and find things like two little missing filters just to return $1000 profit that they are making on a used bike. Especially if it was running fine for them....

PVLIR- Petcock vacuum line inadvertent relocation. The first problem that you had has occurred to a range of owners and this acronym only exists because of this forum's regular diagnosis of it.

geekonamotorcycle

You are correct. I made a post about this on my blog that breaks down what we discovered and is less confusing than reading the thread from the beginning. keep in mind we know what hose goes where now even tho we sound confused in the video. It was a last minute discovery by saige that revealed what happened. believe it or not, the bike ran 2k miles with the vacuum line in the wrong place. It was not until that bottom nipple thing(does anyone know what that is called?) started leaking fuel into the vacuum line that major issues showed up. he didnt notice it early into troubleshooting because the bike was not supposed to be running while connected in that manner. Leave it to me to have the one VTR that works when it is not supposed to. It is a testament to honda.

http://geekonamotorcycle.com/2011/02...d-up-big-time/

Tweety

The bottom nipple is named "diaphragm vent"... And yes, it's called nipple...

geekonamotorcycle

Thank you tweety. I will continue with sucked on nipples from caused by diaphragm jokes for the foreseeable future.

So my bikes diaphragm broke one day. As a result a little while later her nipple is now sucked on so hard that it just leaks all the time all over the place.

geekonamotorcycle

Wow

geekonamotorcycle

I am somewhat concerned that my fan has never come on or at least I cannot recall it coming on. I was standing next to sage's bike and it was blowing out tons of air. and i could hear the fan. I have never seen that on my bike, my bike has never gone very far above the middle mark though. It typically hangs out at about 1/4 on the temp gauge while i am riding.

Wicky

You didn't miss "the last ever space shuttle launch" - Endeavour and Atlantis have missions scheduled for later this year.

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html

geekonamotorcycle

Yah I found out later. there should be a big note at the start of the video. If you are in florida I think we will be doing a coast to coast run to see the last one.

Erik S.

Grabbed that from your other thread. SP1 and SP2 are RC-51 designations. The RC-51 is also known as the VTR1000 SP-1 and SP-2, as well as the RVT1000 SP-1 and SP-2.

Your Superhawk is a VTR1000F. Other than possible cam differences in the 98 and 99s, and a different gauge cluster, there aren't any differences in the model years (color obviously before a wise guy says it). The Firestorm did have a larger tank that never made it to the States.

geekonamotorcycle

yah there are not many differences. the petcock seems to be the same at least. I know that an 03-05 oil filter wont fit not sure about other things

8541Hawk

really.... you might want to check your sources on that one..... as Honda list the same part # for both......

'98:http://www.hondapartsline.com/fiche_...1998&fveh=4077

'05:http://www.hondapartsline.com/fiche_...2005&fveh=4084

geekonamotorcycle

The shop had two different part numbers listed for the bikes. It could be as simple as a part change on the manufacturers end. they were not OEM

geekonamotorcycle

I totally forgot to mention this. The shop said they did an oil change before I left with the bike when I bought it. I went yesterday for an oil change(at the shop I go to FJ motorsports) and the oil drain plug was snapped in half. the tech used a magnet and magical ability to somehow get the broken end out. Yah he is that good.

I have the old pieces of the bolt I am taking to the place I bought the bike from. also the filter certainly looked like it had been there more than a month.

saige

Once we get the petcock fixed and bike is running smooth,we will check the whole cooling system and get your lights right,the fan could be relay or blown fuse.
We just gotta clean up all the wiring in the tail section.

geekonamotorcycle

Bwahahaha!

geekonamotorcycle

God I love the internet sweet revenge?

7moore7

Erik S.

HMMMM.....

When looking for parts for your bike try typing in VTR1000F, then you will get the correct parts. If you go purely on VTR1000 you will get RC-51 parts. OR, you can keep believing that you have a VTR100F SP-1 and that there are major differences between a 98 VTR1000F and a 05 VTR1000F.

Slow down and re-read what is being said to you.