Cops out of control
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Cops out of control
Pretty freakin' disturbing! Just imagine all the **** that doesn't get caught on camera. WTF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfV1svt9cJY
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010061505592
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfV1svt9cJY
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010061505592
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Increasingly, scumbag police and municipalities are invoking "wiretapping" laws when they are caught on camera committing crimes they don't want the public to know about.
They can track and trace our every movement, but when citizens do the same to them they want to weasel out of it even if it means needlessly ruining an innocent person's life.
They can track and trace our every movement, but when citizens do the same to them they want to weasel out of it even if it means needlessly ruining an innocent person's life.
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The first one I have to aggree was unjustified.
The second link you posted the video is incomplete. I've seen this one before. What they are leaving out is that he wasn't just humming a tune and cruising. He passed a marked patrol car on the interstate, popped a wheelie while driving by him then sped off. The end of the video where the guy jumps out of the unmarked car on him also leaves out the part where he gets off the bike and turns around. Right behind him is fully marked patrol car with lights on and everything...so it basically was a felony stop, he more or less ran from the cops. If he didn't see the patrol car with flashing lights and all right behind him, thats his fault for not checking his mirrors. The video HE posted was just enough to make it look like he was just hanging out and got blindsided. The unmarked guy in plain clothes really put himself in a bad spot though pulling in front of the guy. That is probably the most unsafe thing he could have done, and now he looks like an idiot for doing it. And as far as raiding the house goes thats a little extreme and bad PR.
The second link you posted the video is incomplete. I've seen this one before. What they are leaving out is that he wasn't just humming a tune and cruising. He passed a marked patrol car on the interstate, popped a wheelie while driving by him then sped off. The end of the video where the guy jumps out of the unmarked car on him also leaves out the part where he gets off the bike and turns around. Right behind him is fully marked patrol car with lights on and everything...so it basically was a felony stop, he more or less ran from the cops. If he didn't see the patrol car with flashing lights and all right behind him, thats his fault for not checking his mirrors. The video HE posted was just enough to make it look like he was just hanging out and got blindsided. The unmarked guy in plain clothes really put himself in a bad spot though pulling in front of the guy. That is probably the most unsafe thing he could have done, and now he looks like an idiot for doing it. And as far as raiding the house goes thats a little extreme and bad PR.
Last edited by Mattaua; Jun 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM.
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The first one I have to aggree was unjustified.
The second link you posted the video is incomplete. I've seen this one before. What they are leaving out is that he wasn't just humming a tune and cruising. He passed a marked patrol car on the interstate, popped a wheelie while driving by him then sped off. The end of the video where the guy jumps out of the unmarked car on him also leaves out the part where he gets off the bike and turns around. Right behind him is fully marked patrol car with lights on and everything...so it basically was a felony stop, he more or less ran from the cops. If he didn't see the patrol car with flashing lights and all right behind him, thats his fault for not checking his mirrors. The video HE posted was just enough to make it look like he was just hanging out and got blindsided. The unmarked guy in plain clothes really put himself in a bad spot though pulling in front of the guy. That is probably the most unsafe thing he could have done, and now he looks like an idiot for doing it. And as far as raiding the house goes thats a little extreme and bad PR.
The second link you posted the video is incomplete. I've seen this one before. What they are leaving out is that he wasn't just humming a tune and cruising. He passed a marked patrol car on the interstate, popped a wheelie while driving by him then sped off. The end of the video where the guy jumps out of the unmarked car on him also leaves out the part where he gets off the bike and turns around. Right behind him is fully marked patrol car with lights on and everything...so it basically was a felony stop, he more or less ran from the cops. If he didn't see the patrol car with flashing lights and all right behind him, thats his fault for not checking his mirrors. The video HE posted was just enough to make it look like he was just hanging out and got blindsided. The unmarked guy in plain clothes really put himself in a bad spot though pulling in front of the guy. That is probably the most unsafe thing he could have done, and now he looks like an idiot for doing it. And as far as raiding the house goes thats a little extreme and bad PR.
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Still not a great shot, but this shows the last little bit of the video where there is another cop, in uniform and a marked car right behind the bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF55M8JQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNcDG...eature=related
Last edited by Mattaua; Jun 23, 2010 at 01:02 PM.
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Some law enforcement agencies have a policy for chasing anyone and everyone that doesn't stop for them. If they chase, and people flee, they consider the person running (whether at 30mph or 100mph) a felon running from police. They figure that the person has to have a pretty good reason for running (even though half the time its for driving without a license or something petty like that). Everybody has seen cops and police videos of people being chased and should expect that if they run and then get caught up to they should expect to see guns drawn. There's lots of stupid stupid cops out there that give cops all over a bad name. I'm not taking up for stupid cops, but aside from the fact that this guy pulled in front of the motorcycle and put himself in a dangerous position I don't think they did anything wrong. The guy taunted the police, then sped off (even though he wasn't a wanted felon or anything) and police did what they do by making a felony stop (again HIS version of the video omitted the part where he gets off the bike and turns around and there is a marked police car behind him). I ride a motorcycle all the time, I know a lot of idiot cops are out to get bikers so I am not taking up for them, but this guy put himself in this situation by giving the cops the proverbial finger and not stopping for them when they lit him up.
Still not a great shot, but this shows the last little bit of the video where there is another cop, in uniform and a marked car right behind the bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF55M8JQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNcDG...eature=related
Still not a great shot, but this shows the last little bit of the video where there is another cop, in uniform and a marked car right behind the bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF55M8JQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNcDG...eature=related
I guess, I'm reading the video a bit different than you... I see him going fast doing the wheelie in the beginning, then he slows down to just above the legal limit, ie speeding but not going flat out, comes up on a marked police car sitting in the divider, slows down even more and at this point he's not running by any defenition, cops or otherwise as he passes the unmarked car... That's when they decide to pull him... When he turns of the larger road the marked car and unmarked car stop him together...
As far as we know the marked car behind may or may not have lit him up well before the stop, but as he's acting normal in traffic when he makes the lanechange so I don't think so...
You see him doing a "huh" look over his shoulder just before being stopped and I'm guessing that's when the marked car hits it's lights and sirens, even though I cant see them on the video even at that point... Then he slows down to a stop, before the car cuts in front... That's not what you do if you are considering running from the cops... Then he would have gunned it past the stopped cars instead...
Now I'm not saying he didn't "run" according to the polices defenition... I'm saying he was probably lit up/stopped at that time, not deliberately running...
And BTW, that last part is present on the first posted link, from the newspapers site... Nothing new in the clip you posted that wasn't on the first part...
Last edited by Tweety; Jun 23, 2010 at 02:14 PM.
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I hate to say it but there are dips**t cops just like there are dips**t bikers. The first video the cop was wrong no doubt. The second the biker was wrong all day long. The plains clothes cop did not point the gun at the biker he just had it out at the ready. Has anyone ever been stopped in LA. You know what the cops do if they think something isnt right. They pull there guns out at the ready. They dont check to see if its okay with the driver first. He prob wanted to make sure he got the biker stopped so there isnt a chase. The biker was backing up. I have seen what a 80 mph motorcycle can do to another vehicle and driver. The motorcyclist went throught the drivers window and through the driver. Just to show you a 450 plus pound motorcycle and rider can be counted as a use of force of a deadly weapon also.
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I hate to say it but there are dips**t cops just like there are dips**t bikers. The first video the cop was wrong no doubt. The second the biker was wrong all day long. The plains clothes cop did not point the gun at the biker he just had it out at the ready. Has anyone ever been stopped in LA. You know what the cops do if they think something isnt right. They pull there guns out at the ready. They dont check to see if its okay with the driver first. He prob wanted to make sure he got the biker stopped so there isnt a chase. The biker was backing up. I have seen what a 80 mph motorcycle can do to another vehicle and driver. The motorcyclist went throught the drivers window and through the driver. Just to show you a 450 plus pound motorcycle and rider can be counted as a use of force of a deadly weapon also.
What he was fighting was the fact that the cops siezed his camera for rolling camera on a police stop... And I firmly believe the reason for that is that while the officers followed the law and the rules they didn't present themselves in the best possible light... And you can argue all day if you like, I still think the cops censoring video like that is wrong...
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Uh... You know you and Mattua are arguing a point that the rider himself never denied... You are saying "the biker was in the wrong"... Yeah he was "in the wrong", he was speeding and he did a wheelie, he said himself he deserved the ticket... But do I think he deliberately ran from the cops? No, I don't...
What he was fighting was the fact that the cops siezed his camera for rolling camera on a police stop... And I firmly believe the reason for that is that while the officers followed the law and the rules they didn't present themselves in the best possible light... And you can argue all day if you like, I still think the cops censoring video like that is wrong...
What he was fighting was the fact that the cops siezed his camera for rolling camera on a police stop... And I firmly believe the reason for that is that while the officers followed the law and the rules they didn't present themselves in the best possible light... And you can argue all day if you like, I still think the cops censoring video like that is wrong...
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As someone who is on the job, unless I'm missing something, I can't see why the firearm is drawn. As I said earlier "felony stop" situations all but guarantee that a firearm will be drawn. In fact, your'e not conscious of officer safety if you leave it in the holster. But, I just don't get this one. Near as I can tell, the guy didn't run. Nor did he make any furtive movements that are usually associated with a weapon. So, I'm lost. In fact, in my department, this utilization of the firearm would land you in front of a review board. In my opinion, this is in no way a "felony stop". The other part that confuses me is the fact that there was a marked unit directly behind the rider. Why didn't he just make the initial contact, thus eliminating the confusion of the plainclothes officer who didn't announce himself right away? If it were me, I would have just given him his ticket and been on my way. I usually find some way to defend an officer's actions, but I really cant on this one. However, he did maintain a cool enough head not to take it further than this.
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.
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As someone who is on the job, unless I'm missing something, I can't see why the firearm is drawn. As I said earlier "felony stop" situations all but guarantee that a firearm will be drawn. In fact, your'e not conscious of officer safety if you leave it in the holster. But, I just don't get this one. Near as I can tell, the guy didn't run. Nor did he make any furtive movements that are usually associated with a weapon. So, I'm lost. In fact, in my department, this utilization of the firearm would land you in front of a review board. In my opinion, this is in no way a "felony stop". The other part that confuses me is the fact that there was a marked unit directly behind the rider. Why didn't he just make the initial contact, thus eliminating the confusion of the plainclothes officer who didn't announce himself right away? If it were me, I would have just given him his ticket and been on my way. I usually find some way to defend an officer's actions, but I really cant on this one. However, he did maintain a cool enough head not to take it further than this.
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.
Yeah, he never aimed the gun, but belive me, my gut reaction if somebody draws a gun on me would be to back away unless he identifies himself as a cop... That's not running, that's instinct...
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Uhh, if you would read other postings from other members "why would they pull a gun for just riding a motorcycle" thats what I was responding too. And to get that he was or was not running from the police, you can not get that from the video. I observed that he looked back quickly but still does not stop. That I did observe. For seizing the video maybe it wasnt because they were ashamed of what was on the video. Who knows maybe they didnt want the plainclothes state trooper plastered on youtube due to his job. Or maybe the rider was just such a azz about it, ref editing video to look like he was just strolling along minding his own business, they wanted the video so the media could have the full video. Who knows but the people that were there.
No, we will never know for sure... But an innocent person usually doesn't try to hide the facts... The police obviously does try to hide some of the facts, so that makes them look guilty, weather they are or not...
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playing w/fire there - if the blue lights light you up doing 25+ over you know what that leads to... not to mention a double whammy, (for us folks in the military) UCMJ is a real ***** - comes down to that split second decision many of us have had, throttle up and put some distance between or throttle down and pull er over
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playing w/fire there - if the blue lights light you up doing 25+ over you know what that leads to... not to mention a double whammy, (for us folks in the military) UCMJ is a real ***** - comes down to that split second decision many of us have had, throttle up and put some distance between or throttle down and pull er over
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theres no reason for this officer to put himself in this position if the officer behind the bike has his lights on... the motorcycle rider wasnt cutting around the traffic he stopped behind it... if the other officer in the patrol car acted this way id understand it more but it doesnt seem to me they do...
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.[/quote]
as far as i know any public government official is allowed to be video and audio recorded if they are conducting official business i could be wrong here but i dont think so
the reason is this we have the right to be treated a certain way by the govt we pay for... if we cant record our interactions with these people then theres no proof they are treating us fairly...a cop pulls you over they are recording the incident why wouldnt you be able to do the same to prove the situation? this officer was either conducting official business when he got out of the car or breaking the law himself...
sorry to blast you but officers are only human and arent capable of doing the job that is expected of them without exception...then you add specific family values, emotion, brother hood, a fraternity, and oaths and its a complete **** show...theres no way for there to be a force of people to "serve and protect" the citizens under this system bottom line nothing personal but it can not be done... this would take a force of perfect people and there isnt a single perfect person alive...
for the record i despise the profession but not the people who hold the position we would all do the same **** if we had the power to do so thats the problem not the fact that they do it... we can not expect people to put their lives on the line to protect us (and the police do every day weather or not they are in uniform that day) and then not take advantage of the powers we need to give to them to do so...
im not saying i could do better myself or that i have an idea that would work better but logic tells us that this system isnt right either...
sorry for my rant and i mean no disrespect to police officers...
As far as the wiretap stuff, typically the way that works is like this, visual recordings are fine, but for audio recordings-you need permission. So yes, technically, it is a violation. But one must keep in mind spirit of the law, rather than letter of the law. Is the officer within his right to charge him for this? Absolutely. Does that mean he should? That's up for debate.[/quote]
as far as i know any public government official is allowed to be video and audio recorded if they are conducting official business i could be wrong here but i dont think so
the reason is this we have the right to be treated a certain way by the govt we pay for... if we cant record our interactions with these people then theres no proof they are treating us fairly...a cop pulls you over they are recording the incident why wouldnt you be able to do the same to prove the situation? this officer was either conducting official business when he got out of the car or breaking the law himself...
sorry to blast you but officers are only human and arent capable of doing the job that is expected of them without exception...then you add specific family values, emotion, brother hood, a fraternity, and oaths and its a complete **** show...theres no way for there to be a force of people to "serve and protect" the citizens under this system bottom line nothing personal but it can not be done... this would take a force of perfect people and there isnt a single perfect person alive...
for the record i despise the profession but not the people who hold the position we would all do the same **** if we had the power to do so thats the problem not the fact that they do it... we can not expect people to put their lives on the line to protect us (and the police do every day weather or not they are in uniform that day) and then not take advantage of the powers we need to give to them to do so...
im not saying i could do better myself or that i have an idea that would work better but logic tells us that this system isnt right either...
sorry for my rant and i mean no disrespect to police officers...
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