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Old 02-25-2010, 12:16 AM
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"Frameless" Ducati Superbike in the Works?

A friend passed me this link today. Thought I would share since it is motorcycle and interesting:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/02/ducati_working_on_frameless_superbikes.html
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:55 AM
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yeah, very interesting indeed. I always liked the idea of having a frame. Just sounds integral, but if you don't need it why carry it around. Should cost less too huh, lol.
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What are all the "custom" builders gonna customize if they can't chrome the frame?
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While the engineers in Bologna obviously know a great deal more than I do, I am an overly big fan of using the engine as a stressed member to this degree (think of the problems Duc had with case durability on some of their past Superbikes which had the swingarm pivoting in the cases; must confess I wish Honda had extended the VTR`s frame down to the pivot area). I guess we`ll have to wait and see but it sure is interesting stuff...
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by scatterbrained
What are all the "custom" builders gonna customize if they can't chrome the frame?
A "ghetto-proof" sportbike, I like it more and more already.....
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mikstr
A "ghetto-proof" sportbike, I like it more and more already.....
We can only hope lol..
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mikstr
A "ghetto-proof" sportbike, I like it more and more already.....
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "ghetto"
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:42 AM
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The way I read it, they mean - frame + chrome = ghetto
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by captainchaos
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "ghetto"
Let`s see..... loooooooooooooong swingarms, shortened suspension, huge rear tires, chrome everywhere, airbrush galore...... is that any better?
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mikstr
Let`s see..... loooooooooooooong swingarms, shortened suspension, huge rear tires, chrome everywhere, airbrush galore...... is that any better?
Kinda like this---http://detroitpowersports.org/default.aspx
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makes sense to me, doesnt seem like it would be much different than bolting the swingarm to the engine.
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Originally Posted by captainchaos
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "ghetto"
Dictionary: ghet·to (gĕt'ō)
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n., pl., -tos, or -toes.
A usually poor section of a city inhabited primarily by people of the same race, religion, or social background, often because of discrimination.
An often walled quarter in a European city to which Jews were restricted beginning in the Middle Ages.
Something that resembles the restriction or isolation of a city ghetto: "trapped in ethnic or pink-collar managerial job ghettoes" (Diane Weathers).
[Italian, after Ghetto, island near Venice where Jews were made to live in the 16th century.]
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So bimota now has a duc motor in a carbon fiber trellis frame (14 lbs lighter 30% more rigid) , and duc is going frame-less. Just imagine if they got together and put the bimota carbon fiber swing arm on the back of a frame-less bike. make the front stressed member the airbox and tank, out of carbon of course, and load bearing. 200 horses and 340 pound here we come!
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Originally Posted by Hawknut
Wha, you got a prob wit detroitpowersports stuff?

What a waste of talent, time, money, and a Hayabusa. Of course that's just my humble opinion.
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Originally Posted by mikstr
While the engineers in Bologna obviously know a great deal more than I do, I am an overly big fan of using the engine as a stressed member to this degree (think of the problems Duc had with case durability on some of their past Superbikes which had the swingarm pivoting in the cases; must confess I wish Honda had extended the VTR`s frame down to the pivot area). I guess we`ll have to wait and see but it sure is interesting stuff...
There is no reason that enough strength couldn't be engineered into the cases. It just hasn't been done yet.
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Originally Posted by spladle160
So bimota now has a duc motor in a carbon fiber trellis frame (14 lbs lighter 30% more rigid) , and duc is going frame-less. Just imagine if they got together and put the bimota carbon fiber swing arm on the back of a frame-less bike. make the front stressed member the airbox and tank, out of carbon of course, and load bearing. 200 horses and 340 pound here we come!
Ducati already has a carbon-fiber swingarm on their GP bikes. Talk about mass centralization, the only things on the bike with any mass to speak of would be the motor and the rider... zoinks!
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