Brake Master Cylinder replacement
10-28-2009, 12:10 PM
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Brake Master Cylinder replacement
Hello guys, I am brand new to the forum and have been poking around doing some reading the past couple weeks trying to determine what mods to do first. Brakes and Suspension seem to be the consensus. I just bought my bike yesterday and need to immediately replace the front brake master cylinder as it is shot so I'm starting w/ the brake mods first. I've read about a lot of different setups w/ new calipers and/or master cylinders that work but I'd prefer to stick w/ the stock calipers and rotors for now. So my question is...should I simply rebuild the stock master cylinder or should I swap in a different master cylinder even though I plan to stick w/ the stock caliper/rotor combo?
I'm a 195lb guy who does track days all the time in my car. But I don't plan to do any track days on the bike in the near future. I'm simply looking for whatever upgrade will give me better feel and confidence under hard and panic stop braking situations. Do I need to replace the rear master to match what I do up front? Thanks for any advice.
I'm a 195lb guy who does track days all the time in my car. But I don't plan to do any track days on the bike in the near future. I'm simply looking for whatever upgrade will give me better feel and confidence under hard and panic stop braking situations. Do I need to replace the rear master to match what I do up front? Thanks for any advice.
10-28-2009, 12:35 PM
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You don't need to do the rear master, just leave the rear brakes alone as they are good enough.
As for the front Master Cyl, the stock Calipers' pistons are tiny so if you are going to keep them, don't go too large on the replacement. Either rebuild the stock ones, or get one that isn't that much larger.. because a larger Master Cyl with the stock calipers will decrease your leverage requiring more force (but less lever travel) to brake..
Oh, and welcome to the forum!
As for the front Master Cyl, the stock Calipers' pistons are tiny so if you are going to keep them, don't go too large on the replacement. Either rebuild the stock ones, or get one that isn't that much larger.. because a larger Master Cyl with the stock calipers will decrease your leverage requiring more force (but less lever travel) to brake..
Oh, and welcome to the forum!
10-28-2009, 12:58 PM
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welcome to the forum... if you are already changing the MC, change the calipers and lines... there is a whole Rc set up on Speedzilla for 175 or so... ( not sure if stainless lines). you can peace a set together that will work also for cheaper.
there is a list of direct and almost direct bolt on mc's and calipers on the forum somewhere, maybe someone will bring that up..
good luck and welcome.
there is a list of direct and almost direct bolt on mc's and calipers on the forum somewhere, maybe someone will bring that up..
good luck and welcome.
10-28-2009, 04:21 PM
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I rarely use the rear brake, and have never worn out a set of rear pads on any bike I've owned. But some Forum members have reported that the rear locks up too easily with aftermarket pads, and they have gone back to stock Honda pads.
10-28-2009, 06:24 PM
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Brake mod was the first that I did. The bike already knows how to go fast - didn't know **** about slowing down. And I'm 30lbs lighter than you. The front suspension came next and I caught a brother bailing on his bike and scored a Penske that fall. When you hear or read members saying "new bike" - it really is. But first you have to make it stop.
10-29-2009, 05:01 AM
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Welcome. Quick answer: CCT's fail - replace asap with manual ones. Stock fork springs are weak. Change them for your weight(race tech). Front brakes; use SS brake lines and larger calipers and MC for a better feel and greater stopping power. I'm using 01' GSXR 6-pot calipers and CBR600 F4I MC. Big difference. Don't forget to use the "search" feature to learn more about what other mods are available.
10-29-2009, 09:08 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys. If I can get a new caliper/rotor/MC setup for $200-$300 I will go that route. Now I just need to figure out what the best setup for that is. I'll try to find that RC setup on Speedzilla and will search for other threads on the recommended brake setups. Looks like RC51 and CBR replacement stuff seems to be the way to go.
10-29-2009, 09:20 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys. If I can get a new caliper/rotor/MC setup for $200-$300 I will go that route. Now I just need to figure out what the best setup for that is. I'll try to find that RC setup on Speedzilla and will search for other threads on the recommended brake setups. Looks like RC51 and CBR replacement stuff seems to be the way to go.
As for other options.. F4i and RC51 are basically identical and good options. Other options are 929 and 954, or 00-01 GSXR1000 or 01-03 (ish) GSXR 600/750.
The issue with the Honda parts is that they need a tiny bit of grinding with a dremel to fit the mounts..
The only thing with the GSXR setup is that their Reservoirs are made to mount to the clipons and Honda mounts theirs to the Master Cyl directly. So you will have to fab a Res mount.
So if you use a Honda Master Cyl and a GSXR caliper you have the easiest bolt on option. lol. Or you just deal with one of the two easy issues and keep a complete setup from either.
10-29-2009, 09:47 AM
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10-29-2009, 10:10 AM
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For the money F4i calipers are hard to beat.. they have the same piston size as the RC51 parts and cost way less.. only difference is they are black rather than gold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...item3ca6e1f3f0
And a F4i MC is cheap too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...item2a0231518b
Complete for $99 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...item19b705c261
I got mine for $75 shipped since I was able to wait for a deal.
And a F4i MC is cheap too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...item2a0231518b
Complete for $99 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...item19b705c261
I got mine for $75 shipped since I was able to wait for a deal.
10-29-2009, 11:50 AM
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Another thing you can consider is a front end swap. You can usually find these for 4-500 dollars without a wheel, but it includes triple clamps, forks, brakes, and some extra crap that you can sell.
That would eliminate the need to get better stuff for your forks, and it will handle better than a race-setup stock front end.
That would eliminate the need to get better stuff for your forks, and it will handle better than a race-setup stock front end.
10-29-2009, 11:54 AM
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10-29-2009, 01:03 PM
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