3800 Lumen H4 LED Headlight
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Once installed, please provide your observations on the effect the low beam cut off has with causing light "dead" spots in corners or the bike is otherwise leaned over.
I decided the HID projector bi xenon was not for me for that reason... Light output and beam pattern was great on HIGH.. but low beam cut off was only nice in a straight line... leaning the bike causes a dead spot in the "low side"
I decided the HID projector bi xenon was not for me for that reason... Light output and beam pattern was great on HIGH.. but low beam cut off was only nice in a straight line... leaning the bike causes a dead spot in the "low side"
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I was wondering why you sold your HID light. And I just installed the exact same HID light from theretrofitsource. Nuts. I haven't riden with it yet though.
Well take off, eh.
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I rode with it effectively for many months... Loved the light quality and output.
Just personally could not get past the low beam cut off light pattern.
Those comments are well established in the forums here, sorry you think I was hiding something.... I assumed you did the research and knew what you were buying.
Please by all means, box it up and send it back before you install it....no harm no foul
I'll refund you immediately.In fact, Id prefer you do just that.
Fact is most folks like the setup and think it is great....just because I dont means nothing to many others.
After you install and run it for a bit, if you don't like it, return to stock, box it up and sell it at a profit.
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What I want exists,, it's a gimble operated light that rotates and turns with the motion of the bike.
Kind of silly, but it is out there.
I think What I will end up with is a twin projector HID set up... One projector for high beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. One projector for low beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. And then two LED spots for distance AND two LED wide beams for width
Hey I can dream right....
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It was a preference thing, not a fault per say.
I rode with it effectively for many months... Loved the light quality and output.
Just personally could not get past the low beam cut off light pattern.
Those comments are well established in the forums here, sorry you think I was hiding something.... I assumed you did the research and knew what you were buying.
Please by all means, box it up and send it back before you install it....no harm no foul I'll refund you immediately.
In fact, Id prefer you do just that.
Fact is most folks like the setup and think it is great....just because I dont means nothing to many others.
After you install and run it for a bit, if you don't like it, return to stock, box it up and sell it at a profit.
I rode with it effectively for many months... Loved the light quality and output.
Just personally could not get past the low beam cut off light pattern.
Those comments are well established in the forums here, sorry you think I was hiding something.... I assumed you did the research and knew what you were buying.
Please by all means, box it up and send it back before you install it....no harm no foul
I'll refund you immediately.In fact, Id prefer you do just that.
Fact is most folks like the setup and think it is great....just because I dont means nothing to many others.
After you install and run it for a bit, if you don't like it, return to stock, box it up and sell it at a profit.
Kidding. I knew exactly what I was buying. I'd read your comments about the cutoff previously and figured that's why you were selling and making a change now with your new build. I have a bigger plan for a projector, but this was a relatively inexpensive way to get a projector in place with minimal effort in order to evaluate performance and decide on a direction for my final project. Of course, by the time that all comes to fruition, an LED retrofit may be the way to go.
I'm sorry if you thought I was serious and was in any way calling your integrity into question. I was not, McFly.
Well take off, eh.
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I doubt very much you will be overloading it. It runs on 12v, and as far as I know, Eastern Beaver kit is not a power booster, but just links the voltage directly to the battery.
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You will commonly see more then a full volt DC improvement after doing the relay set up.
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Just a preference thing.. I found the low beam cut off distracting as I rounded corners.... Others seem not to care.
What I want exists,, it's a gimble operated light that rotates and turns with the motion of the bike.
Kind of silly, but it is out there.
I think What I will end up with is a twin projector HID set up... One projector for high beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. One projector for low beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. And then two LED spots for distance AND two LED wide beams for width
Hey I can dream right....
What I want exists,, it's a gimble operated light that rotates and turns with the motion of the bike.
Kind of silly, but it is out there.
I think What I will end up with is a twin projector HID set up... One projector for high beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. One projector for low beam, aimed where I want it with a full elongated oval pattern. And then two LED spots for distance AND two LED wide beams for width
Hey I can dream right....
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I've also installed the Cyclops into my VTR. I did not need to chop the rubber boot, but it is a tight fit. I've only been out for one decent run at night but safe to say there is a night and day difference (see what I did there?) between the stock 60/55 and the Cyclops. The latter does seem to have more spill up and to the sides on low, but no-one flashed me so it can't have been too annoying. I did spend some time aligning the low-beam cut off, and was very happy with the high beam, especially the breadth.
The bulb kit included a couple of spacers which allows a little fine tuning of the emitter vs reflector distance and I may look at whether these make it better or worse; I do feel the high beam pattern could be a little more focussed than it is, but honestly there's so much more light that the more diffuse pattern isn't really an issue.
The bulb kit included a couple of spacers which allows a little fine tuning of the emitter vs reflector distance and I may look at whether these make it better or worse; I do feel the high beam pattern could be a little more focussed than it is, but honestly there's so much more light that the more diffuse pattern isn't really an issue.
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As a side note, I'm not smart enough to understand all of that clever prose in that article.
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I don't know that they are illegal, and my bike has made it through a WOF check OK with this bulb fitted. My experience with VTNZ is that they are pretty **** about such things, I got failed when my car had a halogen bulb that wasn't quite sitting straight in the reflector so the beam pattern wasn't correct.
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Worlds better than a single bi xenon HID projector set up.
The light is reasonable focused and not a lot of spillover.
It is a good color temp, bright.
It is not as good a light pattern as my 130 watt Hella H4 bulb.
It does not throw useable focused light as far as the 130 watt Hella H4 bulb, but better than a 100 watt.
I find it a great trade off between huge heat and wattage draw of the 130 watt H4.
I am adding some LED driving lights to the mix to take care of the long distance needs.
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If you are concerned about the light pattern especially low beam cut-off, I have read a thread where a small shield was made from thin aluminium (beer can IIRC, but other non-alcoholic beverage containers would probably work) that was placed in front of and below the low beam emitter that sorted that nicely.
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As mentioned previously when you blasted me for selling you you a broken light...LOL
The bi xenon HID projector has a very flat, sharp upper cut off and I personally do not care for it, find it distracting.
The H4 bulb and LED replacment has a more uniform and rounded pattern that fills the road way better, in my opinion and like.
Twin xenon HID projectors would be ideal, IMHO second best is an LED / H4 style "bulb" replacement and second set of driving lights for distance
The bi xenon HID projector has a very flat, sharp upper cut off and I personally do not care for it, find it distracting.
The H4 bulb and LED replacment has a more uniform and rounded pattern that fills the road way better, in my opinion and like.
Twin xenon HID projectors would be ideal, IMHO second best is an LED / H4 style "bulb" replacement and second set of driving lights for distance
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E-Man,
Are you referring below to the Cyclops 3800 H4 LED (and is it the V2 which that has been updated with a better cut-off pattern)? I have a V2 ready to go in and was curious of your opinion.
When you come up with a reasonably priced, very compact and lightweight LED driving light let me know, as I have found a couple of prospects to replace my twin 55w halogens but have not had time to pull the trigger on either.
Are you referring below to the Cyclops 3800 H4 LED (and is it the V2 which that has been updated with a better cut-off pattern)? I have a V2 ready to go in and was curious of your opinion.
When you come up with a reasonably priced, very compact and lightweight LED driving light let me know, as I have found a couple of prospects to replace my twin 55w halogens but have not had time to pull the trigger on either.
I've had mine installed a few weeks now, dozens of night rides.
Worlds better than a single bi xenon HID projector set up.
The light is reasonable focused and not a lot of spillover.
It is a good color temp, bright.
It is not as good a light pattern as my 130 watt Hella H4 bulb.
It does not throw useable focused light as far as the 130 watt Hella H4 bulb, but better than a 100 watt.
I find it a great trade off between huge heat and wattage draw of the 130 watt H4.
I am adding some LED driving lights to the mix to take care of the long distance needs.
Worlds better than a single bi xenon HID projector set up.
The light is reasonable focused and not a lot of spillover.
It is a good color temp, bright.
It is not as good a light pattern as my 130 watt Hella H4 bulb.
It does not throw useable focused light as far as the 130 watt Hella H4 bulb, but better than a 100 watt.
I find it a great trade off between huge heat and wattage draw of the 130 watt H4.
I am adding some LED driving lights to the mix to take care of the long distance needs.
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E-Man,
Are you referring below to the Cyclops 3800 H4 LED (and is it the V2 which that has been updated with a better cut-off pattern)? I have a V2 ready to go in and was curious of your opinion.
When you come up with a reasonably priced, very compact and lightweight LED driving light let me know, as I have found a couple of prospects to replace my twin 55w halogens but have not had time to pull the trigger on either.
Are you referring below to the Cyclops 3800 H4 LED (and is it the V2 which that has been updated with a better cut-off pattern)? I have a V2 ready to go in and was curious of your opinion.
When you come up with a reasonably priced, very compact and lightweight LED driving light let me know, as I have found a couple of prospects to replace my twin 55w halogens but have not had time to pull the trigger on either.
CIL-LEDMD-H4 3800 Lumen H4 LED Headlight bulb
I like it better in all ways that a 55/100 H4 Halogen
I enjoy the cooler operating temps and less wattage used then the 60/130 H4 Halogen.
The light pattern is useable on the street..it is not as well formed as a quality H4 (say the hella 130 watt) but the pattern is ok and spillage minimal.
The color temp is easier to see with at night then the Hella 130watt H4
As with every LED H4 drop in I have tried it lacks the focused distance an H4 130 watt gives ..but it is better than the last two i have tried.
As for Aux lights..define "reasonable priced"? I have installed more than a dozen clearwater light sets Darla, Krista and Erica's.
And yes the prices are outrageous..
but the quality light in an outstanding package is top notch.
I'm leaning towards a set of Darla's for myself at this point.
Few months ago I installed a set of Trail-Tech-Equinox-LED-Dual-Light on my wifes bike...they are not bad.. definitely fill in the road edge at and just past the limits of her high beam 60 watt halogen at $180 a set for two 60mm round lights, not bad on price.
Cyclops makes some LEd aux lights Im also looking at..
And lastly the Trailtech 70mm light.
I prefer a round body light...so I have not looked at the square ones..
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I consider 180 up there but yes you can though not always get what you pay for...the Clearwaters are out of my league.
Here are two I've considered and for the price are worth taking a chance on for at least testing purposes as my current 15 year old Halogens which are nearly as compact and light as any LED I've found, they just don't have the reach (power) but my twin 50s are also not VTR alternator friendly. I guess I could abandon the current mounting locations and attach them down on my case guards, which as far as lower COG and load bearing capacity are more than adequate if not ideal illumination pattern wise due to them being so low and farther reward...
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
The Trail Tech 60mm are not that much smaller than the 70mm and the 70mm do crank out the lumens but also 3 imes the amps on high than the 60mm.
Where is that tube mount available from in the photo you inserted??
The Cyclops look interesting too if not also getting up there in price, especially with the necessary options they offer. Kind of an ale cart menu.
Long Range Optimus LED Auxiliary light Round
Here are two I've considered and for the price are worth taking a chance on for at least testing purposes as my current 15 year old Halogens which are nearly as compact and light as any LED I've found, they just don't have the reach (power) but my twin 50s are also not VTR alternator friendly. I guess I could abandon the current mounting locations and attach them down on my case guards, which as far as lower COG and load bearing capacity are more than adequate if not ideal illumination pattern wise due to them being so low and farther reward...
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
The Trail Tech 60mm are not that much smaller than the 70mm and the 70mm do crank out the lumens but also 3 imes the amps on high than the 60mm.
Where is that tube mount available from in the photo you inserted??
The Cyclops look interesting too if not also getting up there in price, especially with the necessary options they offer. Kind of an ale cart menu.
Long Range Optimus LED Auxiliary light Round
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The 70mm Trail Tech lights are 60 watts a set...on high, 30 on low.. I don't see 60 watts as high tray..just 5 amps.
Yes more then than 60mm..but its not just a larger reflector and lenses..its more lumns..
a single 70mm light provides MORE lumens than TWO 60mm lights.
The bar clamps seen in that picture are from trail Tech, and can be seen as accessories on thier site.
Trail Tech || Lighting Accessories
Yes more then than 60mm..but its not just a larger reflector and lenses..its more lumns..
a single 70mm light provides MORE lumens than TWO 60mm lights.
The bar clamps seen in that picture are from trail Tech, and can be seen as accessories on thier site.
Trail Tech || Lighting Accessories
I consider 180 up there but yes you can though not always get what you pay for...the Clearwaters are out of my league.
Here are two I've considered and for the price are worth taking a chance on for at least testing purposes as my current 15 year old Halogens which are nearly as compact and light as any LED I've found, they just don't have the reach (power) but my twin 50s are also not VTR alternator friendly. I guess I could abandon the current mounting locations and attach them down on my case guards, which as far as lower COG and load bearing capacity are more than adequate if not ideal illumination pattern wise due to them being so low and farther reward...
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
The Trail Tech 60mm are not that much smaller than the 70mm and the 70mm do crank out the lumens but also 3 imes the amps on high than the 60mm.
Where is that tube mount available from in the photo you inserted??
The Cyclops look interesting too if not also getting up there in price, especially with the necessary options they offer. Kind of an ale cart menu.
Long Range Optimus LED Auxiliary light Round
Here are two I've considered and for the price are worth taking a chance on for at least testing purposes as my current 15 year old Halogens which are nearly as compact and light as any LED I've found, they just don't have the reach (power) but my twin 50s are also not VTR alternator friendly. I guess I could abandon the current mounting locations and attach them down on my case guards, which as far as lower COG and load bearing capacity are more than adequate if not ideal illumination pattern wise due to them being so low and farther reward...
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...Specifications
The Trail Tech 60mm are not that much smaller than the 70mm and the 70mm do crank out the lumens but also 3 imes the amps on high than the 60mm.
Where is that tube mount available from in the photo you inserted??
The Cyclops look interesting too if not also getting up there in price, especially with the necessary options they offer. Kind of an ale cart menu.
Long Range Optimus LED Auxiliary light Round
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Hi guys, reading through some reviews of the Cyclops LED upgrade after being a bit annoyed at the OEM light situation. Not sure about you guys but I find the upper cutoff of the low beam too low and the lower cutoff of the high beam too low. I find myself subconsciously lifting my head to see further with the low beam on, but the high beam cutoff is about eye level, with darkness below. If I adjust the level to improve the low, it will send the high even higher. The solution would be to not have the low beam shut off when flicking to high beam. Now I still have a 60/55W globe installed, and I have to say the long distance throw is not good. I have read guys opinions of the long distance throw being poor on the LED as well. Is this compared to the 60/55, or brighter globes?
Also, Cyclops are now advertising 'all new for 2016' Gen 6 LED upgrade;
3800 Lumen H4 LED Headlight bulb
Anyone tried these yet? For a similar price to the Eastern Beaver relay setup I can have a plug n play LED setup, so am seriously considering this one.
Also, Cyclops are now advertising 'all new for 2016' Gen 6 LED upgrade;
3800 Lumen H4 LED Headlight bulb
Anyone tried these yet? For a similar price to the Eastern Beaver relay setup I can have a plug n play LED setup, so am seriously considering this one.
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It is a GREAT improvement if you are running an H4 bulb, though will slightly shorten the bulb's life.
It makes no light output diffence on an LED.... Unless you have a wiring issue.
YEs I have the latest GEN LED light from Cyclops, it has the best distance through of any of the drop in LEDs I've tried...about 5 of them now. It still does not match the through and pattern of a quality 130watt H4. The visible light is better for night viewing with the LED.
I tried HID Bi Xenon projector and found the light upper cut off too sharp and complete.
At this point Im of the opinion BEST would be two projector HID , high and low beam.
Second best is a LED hi/low beam light AND a set of quality LED mid narrow beam lights for distance.
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Thanks for your thoughts, E Marquez. I have considered all the info regarding increasing the wattage globe will have a reduced lifespan, and also upgrading the wiring to a relay setup, which sends more juice to the existing globe may also have an effect on lifespan. I guess I am looking for a solution which improves light brightness, eliminates the dead spot at low beam when on high beam, and has OEM or better longevity. The LED option seems to tick those boxes the best. You say the beam distance is better than some of the brighter H4 globes, which has to better than what I have now.
I wasn't really taken by the HID projector setup as the nice cutoff line tends to lean with the bike when cornering, and I can imagine a nice big black area right where it is needed.
I wasn't really taken by the HID projector setup as the nice cutoff line tends to lean with the bike when cornering, and I can imagine a nice big black area right where it is needed.
