Streatch my Hawk?
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Since when do we bash people on this forum because their desires/tastes/likes/dislikes/etc disagree with our own?
Come on guys, it's starting to sound like the VFR forums in here!!!!
3amat3 - Do what you want man, don't let anyone stand in the way of making your bike the way you want it to be.
Come on guys, it's starting to sound like the VFR forums in here!!!!
3amat3 - Do what you want man, don't let anyone stand in the way of making your bike the way you want it to be.
Umm...I'm awesome. Duh...
Squid
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: daytona beach, fl
im sorry, but the only ones i see with stretched bikes are the... how should i say it... "gangsters" total waste and only done for the bling factor like 26" dubs on a 96 caprice with chameleon paint that had to be lifted 8" just to clear the wheels.
OOOO OOOO!!!!! you should stretch it, put some mad tight spinners on dat bitch and throw a ice cream paint job on it!!!
OOOO OOOO!!!!! you should stretch it, put some mad tight spinners on dat bitch and throw a ice cream paint job on it!!!
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I merely took the time to point out some things that 3amta3 may not be aware of.
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I gotta agree with Jamie, but then I also wave at anything with two wheels. If the guy wants to take a 10 year old bike and make it his own then great. I just want to see pictures. The 'hawk is a fun bike and I enjoy surprising squids on their 600s. But it is also something you don't see everyday and sounds great. A blinged out, one off, stretched hawk just for cruising around town and bike night wouldn't be so bad would it? Bet it would get more attention than a mine.....
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Since when do we bash people on this forum because their desires/tastes/likes/dislikes/etc disagree with our own?
Come on guys, it's starting to sound like the VFR forums in here!!!!
3amat3 - Do what you want man, don't let anyone stand in the way of making your bike the way you want it to be.
Come on guys, it's starting to sound like the VFR forums in here!!!!
3amat3 - Do what you want man, don't let anyone stand in the way of making your bike the way you want it to be.
+1.
3amat3 I agree with Jamie, do what makes you happy, if this is your thing do it, post up some pics.
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thanks jamie and those that agree, finally people with an open mind on here. the only thing to keep me from doing what i want is money. i just wanted others opinions and ideas on the topic. being chastised is to be expected. i am not going to "bling it out" i just want a lower slicker look. i think the easy way to go is the RC-51 swingarm. looks like it might just bolt right on. thanks for all the inputs and look forward to more of them. and pics will come once i start.
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I don't know of any bolt on ones... Rc51 takes a little work:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
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What strikes me as funny is all the bike night riders who get awesome street bikes designed for tearing up a race track. Stretching them out chroming or polishing every bit of exposed metal to make the bike sparkle all in an attempt to be different than all their buddies at bike night and when all is said and done they all look the same.
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Moto-mods are like art.
You do what pleases you, what excites your senses with the execution and then feeds a feeling of satisfaction with the completion.
But like the artist, when the moto-modifier puts his work on public display he has to be willing to take the hits with the applause.
I assure you that MaGilla and Sons of OCC have very thick skins by now.
Do you want us, the viewing public, to lie to you so as not to ding your feelings? If so, then you have been told way too many time in elementary school, "Goood Job!" But if you want honest appraisals and constructive criticisms then the quality of your efforts will improve.
Just sayin'
You do what pleases you, what excites your senses with the execution and then feeds a feeling of satisfaction with the completion.
But like the artist, when the moto-modifier puts his work on public display he has to be willing to take the hits with the applause.
I assure you that MaGilla and Sons of OCC have very thick skins by now.
Do you want us, the viewing public, to lie to you so as not to ding your feelings? If so, then you have been told way too many time in elementary school, "Goood Job!" But if you want honest appraisals and constructive criticisms then the quality of your efforts will improve.
Just sayin'
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Your nutz thinking you will drop it 2" my bike is lowered but soon after I was forced to make changes. the most you will be able to lower the bike is 1 1/2 in the rear, and even less in the front. There is not enough clearance with the rear brake and exhaust. The steering becomes super sluggish also. The best I believe you will get is about 1 inch From the rear and three quarters In the front. With this setup the bike will handle very similar to the way it was before you touched it. Another problem, you will have by going to 2 inches is finding a new rear shock. The current shock will make contact with the swingarm. Extending the rear swingarm will also cause an issue of traction. The superhawk will become predominately front end heavy. This will cause you a great deal of expense, replacing rear tires. Whole shots can be fun however, this bike is not suitable for that. Before you tear it up, I would recommend you take the advice of people that have been there and done that.
Last edited by lukenukem47; May 12, 2011 at 06:18 AM.
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I don't know of any bolt on ones... Rc51 takes a little work:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
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luke the RC swingarm idea is awesome! and would work for me, which would open up the shock area for more adjustments so it wont bottom out or hit. for someone that dont know what to do yes they could screw it up btu if done right and set up right there will be no difference between stock and moded handling. it could even make it better than stock if done right. i have built motor cycles, so rake and trail is no stranger to me. also laying out my Busa, thought it handled better than stock untill i put a 200 rear tire on it. that 200 rear tire made a big change in handling.
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To each his own, that's what makes this forum so badass. Rarely is one bike like the other.
But personally, I couldn't take the original Wheelie King.....and eliminate the one thing that gave it that title.
But that's why I have my bike, and that's why you have yours. You don't need to judge him for extending the swing arm, just don't do it on your bike.
But personally, I couldn't take the original Wheelie King.....and eliminate the one thing that gave it that title.
But that's why I have my bike, and that's why you have yours. You don't need to judge him for extending the swing arm, just don't do it on your bike.
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I don't know of any bolt on ones... Rc51 takes a little work:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...rogress-17889/
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luke the RC swingarm idea is awesome! and would work for me, which would open up the shock area for more adjustments so it wont bottom out or hit. for someone that dont know what to do yes they could screw it up btu if done right and set up right there will be no difference between stock and moded handling. it could even make it better than stock if done right. i have built motor cycles, so rake and trail is no stranger to me. also laying out my Busa, thought it handled better than stock untill i put a 200 rear tire on it. that 200 rear tire made a big change in handling.
I did increase the wheelbase by a few mm, ie a lot less than that 1", by making the lenght go upwards, by having a steep angle on the swingarm... That's good for traction and handling... That's what this was built for, not for puttering around...
Trust me, this mod will give you nothing close to the handling of a stretched busa... Expecially not when combined with a slightly shorter fork... And it will not be a good way to lower the bike at all... The only way to make the geometry of the bike work, means that you raise the rear of the bike substantially... And in my case lower the front a few mm... But if you lower it more than that, it becomes really, really nervous in handling...
If you put my bike next to a stock VTR, it's obvious that the rear end is higher, and the front is lower... on it's own, it's not that apparent...
Ie, in short, if you are going towards lowered, stretched... Don't try the RC swingarm, it won't work for you... But if you want a bike built even more for the twisties than the stock VTR, it's a really good mod...
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From: Jacksonville,fl
i dont think i am expressing myself right i guess... i dont care about the BLING BLING or the rad ride factor.. i just want it my way, all the info i have received has been great. everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is all it is to me.
the seat would be a great change. i have two seats so i think i will play around with some ideas and try and make my own from one of the seats. i have made them for other bikes before so it really should not be to hard to do.... we'll see though LOL
the seat would be a great change. i have two seats so i think i will play around with some ideas and try and make my own from one of the seats. i have made them for other bikes before so it really should not be to hard to do.... we'll see though LOL
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geometry, it's not all about rake and trail
Besides rake and trail the anti-squat properties of the suspension will be negatively affected by lowering 2". Lengthening the swingarm will add to this Maybe so much that the rear shock will bottom out under acceleration.
If you want to do it for asthetic reasons that's one thing. But, unless someone can explain the handling benefits of lowering and lengthening (any bike) let's just say it's for looks.
If you want to do it for asthetic reasons that's one thing. But, unless someone can explain the handling benefits of lowering and lengthening (any bike) let's just say it's for looks.
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Your not going to get two inches... It's not possible without destroying parts while driving it. During take offs the bike will squat and hit HARD. Too many of these will cause the dog bone bolt to become weak and possibly break. If you happen to be riding when this happens the bike will drop on the ground and start to skid on the exhaust and cause you to crash. It's going to take a complete rework of the shock area to do what your asking of it.
Just incase your looking at getting the lowering link off eBay. I bought it and installed it.
I will post pics of the damage I have done to my swing arm in the next few weeks.
Just incase your looking at getting the lowering link off eBay. I bought it and installed it.
I will post pics of the damage I have done to my swing arm in the next few weeks.
Last edited by lukenukem47; May 12, 2011 at 10:03 PM.
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