wet and unwilling!
06-10-2012, 09:23 AM
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wet and unwilling!
Can anyone help, I have a 98 VTR that doesnt seem to like the rain.
Whilst riding home in a moderate rain strom, I felt the bike lug then lost power until it finally stalled. I managed to get it restarted but it continued to stall every 1/2 mile or so. After an over night in the garage it started and ran no problem.
I have ordered new plug leads and coils as that seems to be the best idea i can come up with. Does anyone else have any hints or ideas?
Whilst riding home in a moderate rain strom, I felt the bike lug then lost power until it finally stalled. I managed to get it restarted but it continued to stall every 1/2 mile or so. After an over night in the garage it started and ran no problem.
I have ordered new plug leads and coils as that seems to be the best idea i can come up with. Does anyone else have any hints or ideas?
06-10-2012, 09:34 AM
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I've had similar problems in the past, once with an SV650S and another time with an SV1000S. Both times, I replaced the plugs (they were due by mileage anyways) and both coil packs. Cleared it all right up. Having owned several different vtwin sportbikes in the past, I avoid rain like the plague.
06-10-2012, 10:44 AM
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I ride mine in all weather with never a problem or hick-up. even take it to the carwash.
however that being said my bet is on a short most likely the plug boots or coil boots replacing that and use some wd/40 on the area has always solved my problems (with dirt bikes I had after running through streams etc) I generally carry a can of it with me for that reason just in case it dissapates the water from the connections and will get you home.
however that being said my bet is on a short most likely the plug boots or coil boots replacing that and use some wd/40 on the area has always solved my problems (with dirt bikes I had after running through streams etc) I generally carry a can of it with me for that reason just in case it dissapates the water from the connections and will get you home.
06-10-2012, 11:34 AM
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The front spark plug cap can develop a crack because it is long and is often bent when it is removed to get access to the front spark plug. I'd check that first. A crack may be hard to detect. Let the bike idle, get a spray bottle filled with water and see if you can induce a misfire by misting the plug cap and lead.
06-10-2012, 11:40 AM
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Could be vacuum lock. Check the hoses coming from your tank... if they have water in them your tank can't vent and fuel flow will slow substantially. An easy way to test this is to pop the gas cap when it's happening- if the bike runs with the cap open then this is probably the problem.
06-10-2012, 12:33 PM
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Two obvious things to check
1) The front cylinder plug cap can fill with water if it it isn't waterproofed (i.e use silicone grease) and then if water does get in and flood the plug if a small drain hole isn't clear.
2) If you have a an aftermarket full belly pan and if this fills with water which the tank breathers etc run down into this can cause a vacuum lock causing fuel starvation.
1) The front cylinder plug cap can fill with water if it it isn't waterproofed (i.e use silicone grease) and then if water does get in and flood the plug if a small drain hole isn't clear.
2) If you have a an aftermarket full belly pan and if this fills with water which the tank breathers etc run down into this can cause a vacuum lock causing fuel starvation.
06-10-2012, 02:18 PM
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I ride mine in all weather with never a problem or hick-up. even take it to the carwash.
however that being said my bet is on a short most likely the plug boots or coil boots replacing that and use some wd/40 on the area has always solved my problems (with dirt bikes I had after running through streams etc) I generally carry a can of it with me for that reason just in case it dissapates the water from the connections and will get you home.
however that being said my bet is on a short most likely the plug boots or coil boots replacing that and use some wd/40 on the area has always solved my problems (with dirt bikes I had after running through streams etc) I generally carry a can of it with me for that reason just in case it dissapates the water from the connections and will get you home.
06-10-2012, 02:30 PM
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I ordered the coil, plug cables and plug covers, hopefully that will solve the problem.
I will also check the vaccum lock, hopefully after the new parts i wont have the oppertunity to do that though!
Has anyone heard of a splash gaurd or plate for the front cylinder/plug area thats available?
I will also check the vaccum lock, hopefully after the new parts i wont have the oppertunity to do that though!
Has anyone heard of a splash gaurd or plate for the front cylinder/plug area thats available?
06-10-2012, 03:44 PM
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I was having the same problem with my GS650G before I sold it. Started getting worse and it'd do it even when not raining but when ever I rode it hard such as trying to go up the pass at 70mph. I'm guessing it was the tank not venting properly because it'd act like it ran out of fuel, then if you let it sit for a few minutes it'd fire back off and go.
My dad was telling me his old Kawasaki LTD would do the same thing when wet and it was the vent as well. Said it'd get some water in the vent hose which ended right in front of the rear tire. Then the tank wouldn't vent and it'd die. The fix was to put a slit at the top of the tank breather that would allow air in when the water would get in the bottom of the hose.
Check the vent tube for being clear and not being kinked. Also when it's acting up try poping the fuel tank cap open and see if it quits acting up. Just be careful with throttle input and brake changes as the fuel sloshing around could slosh out of the open cap.
My dad was telling me his old Kawasaki LTD would do the same thing when wet and it was the vent as well. Said it'd get some water in the vent hose which ended right in front of the rear tire. Then the tank wouldn't vent and it'd die. The fix was to put a slit at the top of the tank breather that would allow air in when the water would get in the bottom of the hose.
Check the vent tube for being clear and not being kinked. Also when it's acting up try poping the fuel tank cap open and see if it quits acting up. Just be careful with throttle input and brake changes as the fuel sloshing around could slosh out of the open cap.
06-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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06-10-2012, 07:45 PM
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This was a common problem a while back.....
Check for a low spot in the tank vent line.
The easy was to confirm if it is the vent line is if it happens again, open the gas cap. You will hear the vacuum escape and the bike will fire right back up.
Check for a low spot in the tank vent line.
The easy was to confirm if it is the vent line is if it happens again, open the gas cap. You will hear the vacuum escape and the bike will fire right back up.
06-14-2012, 12:00 PM
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Tried clamping all the hoses and reproducing the issue but no luck so seems like the electrical issue is the one.
Kind of glad as I had already spent the money for the new parts ha! Just waiting for the parts to arrive for a final fix I hope. Thanks everyone for the help and tips!
Kind of glad as I had already spent the money for the new parts ha! Just waiting for the parts to arrive for a final fix I hope. Thanks everyone for the help and tips!
06-14-2012, 12:47 PM
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2 of 3 Superhawks I have owned would do this. It was from the gas tank vent line sucking up a small amount of rain water from where it exited by the stock lower cowl. I would have to stop the bike and shake the vent tube. One trick that helped was to cut the vent line at an angle to expose more of a hole! also try to run the line away from water spray.
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