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Old Feb 11, 2012 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CrankenFine
Yes but it's assumed each leg is off the bike so you can hold it plumb and the tube is fully compressed. ( sorry if I'm telling you something you already know)
In this condition you can accurately measure height from top. Stock figure is 130mm or 5.1 inches from the top. Ask Jamie Daugherty for modified amount suggestions for your application. There's a link to a pdf of the factory manual in the Knowledgebase section. You want Section 13, page 18 if you need any additional info.
Ok so I should have the fork in the collapsed state when measuring oil?
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WAYNEHAMMER
I don't ride like that anymore. Too hard on my bike. Plus I have a family now. Can't be getting hurt. Thank you
haha.....hey you ain't talkin to your insurance co here. If you put a couple of kids on the back, it'll come up easier and then you'll be more motivated to set her down gently...........and your fork seals will love you for it.
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by WAYNEHAMMER
Ok so I should have the fork in the collapsed state when measuring oil?
yeah, bottomed out against the stops and did you get some lightweight oil from race tech 5-7.5? And if you changed springs, measure your shims which can be altered to suit.
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Old Feb 11, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nath981
yeah, bottomed out against the stops and did you get some lightweight oil from race tech 5-7.5? And if you changed springs, measure your shims which can be altered to suit.
I didn't buy the springs or valves. They came on the bike. So I have no idea what oil is in there
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WAYNEHAMMER
I didn't buy the springs or valves. They came on the bike. So I have no idea what oil is in there
oh......I don't know if there's a way to id what springs you have to see if they're matched to your weight. JD recommended 5wt honda pro oil earlier in this thread. It would be good to know the spring/weight relationship, the length of the shims and then you can put the light weight oil to the specified air gap.

I just looked up some specs I noted on mine:
spacers cut to 70mm
springs are 340mm
(total length 410mm)
85kg springs for 175lb rider
mine is at 130mm airgap; I think JD recommends 120mm
7.5wt oil
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 05:59 PM
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If they are aftermarket springs they should have the weight of the spring etched into one of the ends.

Measure with fork fully compressed and spring out. Make absolutely sure you cycle the cartridge first to get all the air out before doing the final measurement/adjustment. When bubbles stop coming out then the fork is primed.
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
If they are aftermarket springs they should have the weight of the spring etched into one of the ends.

Measure with fork fully compressed and spring out. Make absolutely sure you cycle the cartridge first to get all the air out before doing the final measurement/adjustment. When bubbles stop coming out then the fork is primed.
Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks so much. I'm sure the springs are a Lil light for me. Bike has always felt good though. Has a fox twin clicker on the back. I weigh 250
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 06:25 PM
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Get to the gym. That's what I did and it's the best thing I ever did for the bike and myself!

PS Hopefully I'm not offending you here. But I lost 20 lb in the last 3-4 months and I feel great. Hopefully I can lose that last 10.
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
Get to the gym. That's what I did and it's the best thing I ever did for the bike and myself!

PS Hopefully I'm not offending you here. But I lost 20 lb in the last 3-4 months and I feel great. Hopefully I can lose that last 10.
I'm doing ok, I was 285 2months ago. Hope to hit 230
Old Feb 11, 2012 | 07:04 PM
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Great job!
Old Feb 12, 2012 | 06:13 AM
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When you get close to 60 going to the gym no longer gets it done. So I find myself sitting with all the soccer moms down at Weight Watchers every Saturday in winter... hey don't laugh, I can still put my pants on!
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Originally Posted by CrankenFine
When you get close to 60 going to the gym no longer gets it done. So I find myself sitting with all the soccer moms down at Weight Watchers every Saturday in winter... hey don't laugh, I can still put my pants on!
i have to say respectfully, you're wrong. **** weight watchers and fat soccer moms, read Mercola.com and take charge of you're eating and exercising habits and a year later they'll still be there getting someone to hold their hands and tell them they're doing a good job and you'll be kicking *** and takin no prisoners.

My Autistic grandson's TSS takes him to the gym 3 days a week and he told me there are several 80-90 year olds lifting weights when they're there. He said that these guys are always joking around and mentally sharp and of course in good shape physically. And you're excusing yourself because you're getting close to 60?

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Old Feb 12, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nath981
And you're excusing yourself because you're getting close to 60?

Yeah. That and the fact I work 60-70 hours a week, making getting to the gym somewhat unrealistic. In another 5 year or so when I retire and can exercise to my heart's content, I hope I don't need weight watchers. Till then it's what works for me.

I forgot to mention when the weather's good I rollerblade (uphill) with folks about 20 years younger than me and some of 'em can't keep up...

But I still think you're a pretty cool dude, and enjoy reading all your posts.
Old Feb 12, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
If they are aftermarket springs they should have the weight of the spring etched into one of the ends.
The Race Tech's I just put in didn't have any etching. The info was printed on there, but that came off in soon as the brake cleaner hit it.
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Nath what specificly were you refering to on Mercola.com? I checked it out & its a pretty extensive website.
Maybe I got confused with the autistic grandchild reference but I hope to still be working out at 60 and above. I mountainbike @ 20 miles/day and just finished p90x (which is bru-tal).
If wieght watchers keeps you focused at least that means you are focusing. Although I despise rollerblading.
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Originally Posted by CrankenFine
Yeah. That and the fact I work 60-70 hours a week, making getting to the gym somewhat unrealistic. In another 5 year or so when I retire and can exercise to my heart's content, I hope I don't need weight watchers. Till then it's what works for me.

I forgot to mention when the weather's good I rollerblade (uphill) with folks about 20 years younger than me and some of 'em can't keep up...

But I still think you're a pretty cool dude, and enjoy reading all your posts.
haha. There's nothin wrong with hangin around with a bunch of fat girls.........esp if you're drunk enough.

And about those young uns that can't keep up on the roller blades........you didn't happen to meet them at weight watchers did ya?

just bustin your *** Crank. Talk about zero willpower.... when i was catholic, I used to go confession on Sat. afternoon for communion on Sunday morning. Of course, a couple hours after confession i was committing the same sins I just confessed and hence not able to receive communion at mass the next morn. In my defense however, Sat. night was always a tough one for staying pure. I would have done better on Sunday night, sometimes.
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The Race Tech's I just put in didn't have any etching. The info was printed on there, but that came off in soon as the brake cleaner hit it.
Just one more reason to use Sonic Springs....
Old Feb 12, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73
Nath what specificly were you refering to on Mercola.com? I checked it out & its a pretty extensive website.
Maybe I got confused with the autistic grandchild reference but I hope to still be working out at 60 and above. I mountainbike @ 20 miles/day and just finished p90x (which is bru-tal).
If wieght watchers keeps you focused at least that means you are focusing. Although I despise rollerblading.
Mercola is OCD about health and fitness and backs up his claims with plenty of studies, and tries most of the stuff himself. He's making millions in alternative treatment products and seems to put out new ones monthly. Anyway, I was referring to studies he reference that showed that weight bearing exercise not only kept the body strong, but had positive effect on the brain as well. His latest thing, esp as a time saver, is that the most effective exercise is high intensity interval workouts which means that you do do spurts of all out followed by a short rest and then back at it several times.

So on your mtn bike, that means tear *** as hard as you can for as long as you can and then ease off for a minute and then back at it. Four or five intervals of this high intensity exertion is supposed to make you a badass in a short time.
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Whoa! When did a suspension thread turn into a fitness thread? Getting back on track...

Go with a fluid height of 120mm. Cut your spacers such that the spring preload is 16mm. Make sure to follow Greg's suggestion of bleeding the cartridge. Also don't forget that you need to bleed the area between the slider and stanchion tube. You need to cycle the stanchion tube several times. Just listen for the bubbling sound to stop and you are ok.

Now I'm off to the gym....
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Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty
Whoa! When did a suspension thread turn into a fitness thread? Getting back on track...

Go with a fluid height of 120mm. Cut your spacers such that the spring preload is 16mm. Make sure to follow Greg's suggestion of bleeding the cartridge. Also don't forget that you need to bleed the area between the slider and stanchion tube. You need to cycle the stanchion tube several times. Just listen for the bubbling sound to stop and you are ok.

Now I'm off to the gym....
Thank you. I was taking the screws out of the bottom of the fork and 1 stripped... Damn... So I tried welding an Allen wrench to the bolt. Didn't work well. I drilled out the head of the bolt slightly bigger than 6mm and hammered a ball end 7mm Allen wrench into it and that did the trick. I'll finish the job tomorrow. I had to come in and watch my kid so my wife could head to work
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Oh yeah, been there on fork bolts. Brake calipers same for me. Prompted me to antiseize them all. Of course doing it on a 20* day on the sidewalk. Not fun.
Old Feb 22, 2012 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by WAYNEHAMMER
Thank you. I was taking the screws out of the bottom of the fork and 1 stripped... Damn... So I tried welding an Allen wrench to the bolt. Didn't work well. I drilled out the head of the bolt slightly bigger than 6mm and hammered a ball end 7mm Allen wrench into it and that did the trick. I'll finish the job tomorrow. I had to come in and watch my kid so my wife could head to work
Yep, this happens sometimes. I've found that if you drill out the bolt in three increasing steps to 8mm that works best. Once you get the 8mm drill going the head will pop right off. Not the easiest thing to do though, I always groan when this happens.

Smacking the bolt with a decent size hammer a few times before starting to remove it does wonder too. I hit them at least 10 times with a good firm blow as standard procedure.
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Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty
Yep, this happens sometimes. I've found that if you drill out the bolt in three increasing steps to 8mm that works best. Once you get the 8mm drill going the head will pop right off. Not the easiest thing to do though, I always groan when this happens.

Smacking the bolt with a decent size hammer a few times before starting to remove it does wonder too. I hit them at least 10 times with a good firm blow as standard procedure.
In my world those smacks are to get the fastener's attention so that it will play properly. There are no inanimate objects!
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