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Old May 3, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Superhawk vs Gsxr 750

I went on a long ride today. I had to go to Wisconsin for a meeting. So I
decided to take the SH. I called a friend of mine who was going to the same
meeting, I asked him if he was going to ride as well. He has an '06 Gsxr 750
nice bike. After 250 miles and on our way home we swiched bikes for the last
10 miles. It's a very nice bike, and I'm sure it would take my SH in top end
and maybe through the top gears as well. But it has no torque. I'd say at
50 to 60 mph in 3rd or 4th gear it would take forever to get any speed. I needed to down shift to 2nd to pull what he was doing on mine in 3rd or 4th.
It's a great bike if you want to go really fast, but I'll take my SH any day of
the week.
Old May 3, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Agreed. The Gixxer 750 is pretty gutless under 10K rpm. The Superhawk is much more comfortable as well. Good thing you only rode it 10 miles!
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The moral is you can be lazy on a twin but a 750 is faster in every way if you want it to be.
Old May 3, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed_Demon
The moral is you can be lazy on a twin but a 750 is faster in every way if you want it to be.
sadly, that is the absolute truth. on the bright side the 750 will never sound as cool as a big v-twin.
Old May 3, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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I kind of like the sound of a screaming four too though... just as neat in my book, just different...
Old May 3, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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Fast is fast.. How fast can one actually really go on the streets?

The SH is more than enough for 95% of the riders out there for street duty.

I have no problems with keeping up with any bike on the road. Unless it's a ***** out romp on a hiway.

All bikes have an appeal to me. I'll ride anything.
Old May 3, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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This thread is a great illustration of why I admire this forum so much.

We all like our SHs, but like them for what they are and see the virtues in plenty of other machines.

Good comments.

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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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I hear Nineighthawk likes to ride little school boys...ya know he will ride anything...hahah
Old May 3, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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The 750 is def. a faster machine when riding hard even on public roads...the top end is killer too..I'd say from 60-180 the hawk would have no chance...especially since I have a stock SH vs my stock 01 750 and switch daily. Maybe if you upgraded all the suspension stuff on the hawk.

Yet I drove the hawk this whole week because torque rocks for around town.
Old May 3, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Went for a little ride today on the SH with a few buddies - 07 1000RR, 03 R1, 06 GSX-R750 (with pillion). I taught them all a lesson in cornering. T'was fun! I'll give benefit of the doubt to the guy with the passenger though. She was pretty hot so I don't blame him for being careful.

Also got to ride a buddy's Monster S2 today. He was one of my students in the MSF course I taught yesterday and today. Nice bike. Shakes more than the Superhawk. Nice midrange torque - probably close to the VTR but the bike feels about 50# lighter. Top end is comparable. Nice bike overall but I wouldn't own one.
Old May 4, 2007 | 05:00 AM
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Ducatis are nice bikes to look at, pretty fun to ride, terribly expensive to purchase and maintain. Part of the reason why I got rid of mine.
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I own one of each. It's an apples and oranges comparison. Each bike was meant for different purposes. However having said that, I had a lot of fun on the Superhawk (with fork and shock work) on a track. It surprised the hell out of me. On the street it's probably one of the most versatile machines I know of. And pictures never do them justice for some reason.

But to compare a current year race bike like the Gixxer to the trusty 'Hawk isn't fair. The GSX-R has much more adjustable suspension, a much firmer chassis and swingarm, a slipper clutch (!), and the engine revs to the moon. With a nice pipe on it, at full honk, it stirs my blood just as my twin does (For a 750 with that short pipe, it is a very "throaty" in line four!). It is lighter and faster than the Superhawk, and less work to get around a track. On the street it's a more committed seating position, but only because of the clip on height. The reach to the bars and seat height are pretty short. That coupled with a very narrow seat make it easy for short guys like me to keep my feet planted. Adjustable pegs are a sweet option that hardly any other bikes have. The cable clutch pull is heavy though IMO, and it's a lot more evident on the street. All in all, not too bad, but I wouldn't want to tour on it.

Then there's the price difference... it's hard to beat the value of the Superhawk.
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Sorry it's not the SH, but hope you guys like it...
Old May 4, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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Superhawk or not, that's F'ing NICE!
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Yep, looks fast standing still
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Superhawk vs Gsxr 750

I'll stick with the superhawks twin- we've go a lot of twisties and I enjoy not having to downshift on fast curves - I went riding with the local Ducati club recently and the hawk was just about as fast on the turns and could run the Ducatis down real quick on the straights (except the rich guy on the new 160 HP 1098.)
Besides, nothing sound like that twin when you roll down the street setting off car alarms.
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I gotta tell ya, I've always had a place in my heart for Ducati, but never owned one. So last week I was in my local bike shop and see a S2R 1000 on the floor. A 2006 with only 3200 mi. Acropovic carbon can, Sargent seat, that great ss swingarm, the sexy wheels...but isn't there a law against painting a Ducati grey? Thought BMW had the grey paint thing all hemmed up. Anyway, sat on it, loved it, and was half seriously thinking about trying to work a trade.

The moral of this story-spoke to the sales mgr, who I've known for quite a while. Turns out the bike is his. I told him I had a SH (was riding the other bike that day) and he used to have one. He said "I loved my hawk. It's as fun as the Ducati but without the headaches". So thanks to an honest salesman, I went home happy and saved some substantial $$$. It's pretty hard to buy something else when you factor in the grin/dollar ratio.
Old May 5, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Apples and oranges.

I had my '98 Super Hawk for a couple of years, loved almost everything about her: ergos, grunt, looks. Suspenders and brakes being negatives.

After the SH, I got an Aprilia Mille R, all the bells and whistles 'cept the ergos blew and was heavy. So I went to an SV for comfort.

So, I have been a V twin junkie.

Recently I rode my bud's new at the time '06 Gix 750, the last bike in the world I would have ever thought my bud would own...he lived, and nearly died on Super Hawks.

I was blown away about the entire Gix 750 package, ergos, suspension, weight and chasis. A Stellar out-of-the-box motorcycle.

Yeah, grunt was down, but not by much and the engine spooled up very very quickly.

After a year, my bud still raves about the Gix 750, which still remains in stock form. Me, I traded in my SV 650 one month ago for a black '07 Gix 600, and so damn glad I did!

Apples and oranges.

My garage is big enough for a second motorcycle, and it will be another Super Hawk (best twin I've ever rode), the 'orange' to my Gix (best inline I've ever ridden) 'apple'...
Old May 5, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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I just rode a freinds 05 GSXR600 which was also my first experience on an I4. It suprised me just how much fun that particular bike was. Yes, it didnt have the grunt of the hawk but it was smoother on and off the throttle than the SH. Also it was about 45 lbs lighter and had much quicker steering. Downside, I felt really big on the GSXR and not as many people come up and say "Superhawk great bike I used to have one or Man those V twins sound great". Friend also said he forgot just how much fun it was to ride the Superhawk.
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Originally Posted by Scumbag
I hear Nineighthawk likes to ride little scumbags for fun...ya know he will ride anything...hahah


HAHA ... fixed it for ya.


This thread makes me want to go ride.
Old May 5, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chitownson
Besides, nothing sound like that twin when you roll down the street setting off car alarms.
I almost have more fun doing this than riding!!!! My neighbors hate me.
Old May 5, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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That and it scares the hell out the local weekend dentists riding Harleys to the Starbucks in my neighborhood all decked out with their fat wives in $1,000 of Harley designer wear. Having owned two Harleys which were costly, high maintenance bricks, I've tried to explain to them what they like about their bikes is the twin cylinder effect but they don't get it. A Harley's like a stripper, looks great, the idea of owning one is attractive, but there's regrets when you ride one. I'll just keep smiling past them on my SuperHawk.
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hawkrider - honestly though how much of that is the bike and how much is the rider? you're experienced with the superhawk and had it forever and it has good mods to help it out for sure but no way would I ever say it handles better then those other bikes. Maybe easier to an extent
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Yea,I agree it is more the rider than the bike. How many people do you know that can actually use all 160 hp the new Rep. Racers have other than in a straight line. I love to see experienced riders on old 600s chase down squids on the latest and greatest 1000cc bikes. Wait, arent our bikes 1000cc bikes I keep forgeting that. I guess I just made fun of myself.
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Yeah, you're probably right, but it sure does seem a lot easier to throw back and forth compared to those other bikes. I have an RR as you know and I think the VTR handles closer to a 600 than a 1000.
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Originally Posted by rooster
Yea,I agree it is more the rider than the bike. How many people do you know that can actually use all 160 hp the new Rep. Racers have other than in a straight line. I love to see experienced riders on old 600s chase down squids on the latest and greatest 1000cc bikes. Wait, arent our bikes 1000cc bikes I keep forgeting that. I guess I just made fun of myself.
We all admit the SH is not the "latest", and might have mixed ideas about "and greatest", so you're OK.

One of my racing buddies uses his old aircooled CB-X 6 to chase down modern 1000 sportsbikes on his local twisties: an extreme example of what you're talking about. His CB-X is standard, so he has to straighten and weld up the bashed and flattened exhaust pipes every now and then.
Old May 6, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
Yeah, you're probably right, but it sure does seem a lot easier to throw back and forth compared to those other bikes. I have an RR as you know and I think the VTR handles closer to a 600 than a 1000.

I loved the superhawk and was warned with the rc51 that it'd be a bear in turns but I haven't gotten that impression yet. I think there's a lot of factors that go into it all but I think clearly some bikes do handle better. I've heard nothing but good things about the new gsxr 600's handling saying it's probably the best handling bike ever but doesn't have the grunt of some of the other 600's. The new cbr600 might've changed that this year though. Anyways in regards to the 1000 i4 vs 600 i4 vs superhawk is we can having to shift as much, tons of torque all over which allows us to "cheat" and not shift as often or downshift 3 gears to have power to get out of a turn. The v-twins especially the liters imo are easier to ride for sure. I <3 my rc51. I miss the superhawk but alas I can't afford 2 bikes yet
Old May 6, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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I have a 954 w/ pilots and I have to say that the 'Hawk transitions noticeably better and is more stable mid-corner. That's saying a lot.
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eh... not really imo. the 954 was never really the best handling bike. Every bike will benefit greatly with aftermarket shocks and fork internals as well so that's something to think about too. the superhawk really is a good bike but as noticed in the barges video, it lacks the top end and the ground clearance isn't too great (I never scraped a peg though...)
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I think it was Motorcyclist magazine (but could be one of the others) with their summary table and one line descriptions. For years the description they used to list the Superhawk went something like this: for street riding, probably the bike most riders could go fastest on.

that is a pretty close description: the torque, easy handling etc: for maintaining sane limits on the street, its abilities are still overkill and easier to ride than most sports bike.



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