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Old 01-14-2009, 11:29 AM
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Slightly different letter to the auto big 3

Sorry its a long copy but good reading

The President of GM sent out a letter to employees...... one of them, Gregg Knox, responded, sent this copy to his folks, who in turn, asked him if they could circulate the letter....... very interesting........................

Abridged letter from Troy Clarke, President of General Motors - followed by a response from our son, Gregory Knox:

Dear Employee,

Next week, Congress and the current Administration will determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis...................

As an employee, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.

Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

Troy Clarke
General Motors North America

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From Gregory Knox,

In response to your request to call legislators and ask for a bailout for the United States automakers please consider the following, and please also pass this onto Troy Clark, the president of General Motors North America for me.

You are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has bred like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping the nation, awaiting our new "messiah" to wave his magical wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream".

The dream is over!

The dream that we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities.and that still the masses will line up to buy our products

Don't tell me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford,GM ,Chrysler,TRW,Delphi,Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's and Tier ones for 3 decades now throughout the Midwest and what I've seen over the years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

Mr Clark, the president of General Motors, states:

"There is widespread sentiment in this country, in our government, and especially in the media that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management. It is not."

You're right - it's not JUST management. How about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag *** so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40-hour week?

How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive (mustn't expose the lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we)? Do you really not know about this stuff?

How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea:

"Over the last few years,we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors."

What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!?

Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them?

The K car vs. the Accord?

The Pinto vs. the Civic?

Do I need to go on?

We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades.

Time to pay for your sins, Detroit ..

I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money". Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like George Bush and Troy Clark would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day. And something else would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks new efficient ones would pop up.that is how a free market system works. It does work . . . .if we would let it work..

But for some reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work - that we need the government to step in and "save us". Save us? Hell, we're nationalizing. And unfortunately, too many of this once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue that this is what's really happening. But they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams. Yeah - THAT'S important.

Does it occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades now in this country?....

How can that be???

Let's see:

Fuel efficient
Listening to customers
Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul
Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr W Edwards Deming four decades ago
Ever increased productivity through quality, lean and six sigma plans
Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy"
Efficient front and back offices
Non-union environment.
Again, I could go on and on but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know in their hearts. I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into - my children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did at their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way) - I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work them through. Radical concept, huh.

Am I there for them in the wings? Of course - but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults. I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government.

Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins. Bad news people - it's coming whether we like it or not

The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away". I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the vote count was tallied. "We might not do it in a year.or in four." Where was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for the office.

Stop trying to put off the inevitable. That house in Florida isn't worth $750,000.

People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care and welfare benefits.

That job driving a forklift for the big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year.

We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe.

That couple whose combined annual income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home.

Let the market correct itself people - it will. Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful either way. And the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it is a nation that appreciates what it has, doesn't live beyond its means, gets back to basics, and redevelops the work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world, and probably turns back to God.

Sorry - don't cut my head off. I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news".

Gregory J Knox


Knox Machinery, Inc.

Franklin, Ohio 45005

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Not that I'm a fan of "bailing out" big business, but the automaker bailout is mere peanuts compared to the money that has been given to the banks. (Citibank got $45 billion plus guarantees for 90% of $306 billion in risky loans. AIG got $152 billion. You get the idea.) The Fed admits (only after a FOIA lawsuit forced them to) that it has given out (and this was before the bailout) nearly 2 trillion in "emergency" loans to troubled banks and corporations, but they refuse to say who got the money. In fact, on November 28, 2008, Reuters reported bailout liabilities created by the Fed and the Treasury of more than 8.3 trillion, very little of which has been appropriated by Congress as required by law.
In fact, regarding the banks, bailout is the wrong word. This is a heist, and is the largest one in history. They are stealing our future and saddling us with debt that cannot possibly be repaid, and they are nowhere near through with their plan.
I understand the outrage over the automaker bailout, but the nonstop media coverage leads me to think that it's a smokescreen to cover for what is happening with Wall Street and the Federal Reserve. Our outrage over that should be at least 10 times greater than the outrage over table scraps being thrown to the big three automakers.

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Bravo, Mr. Knox.

Though, both solutions scare the living **** out me..

#1: Government controlling private industry.. (shudder).. isnt that the blind leading the blind?

#2: Leaving the economy to "reset" itself.. (shudder).. What will that look like?

Interesting points, Killer... smokescreen.. hmmm... eyes opened now.. thanks.
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Odd (disturbing) that after years of fighting "communists", we are going down the same road of government intervention.
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Sounds like the government read that book wrote by a man called marxs. Not groucho either. ...... Good points by everybody.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland View Post
#1: Government controlling private industry.. (shudder).. isnt that the blind leading the blind?

#2: Leaving the economy to "reset" itself.. (shudder).. What will that look like?

#2 leaves us with a stable economy afterwards.
#1 will worsen the problem and take longer to recover from, if ever.
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This slide into a managed economy run by the central banks and corporations (in conjunction with puppets in government) of the world has not happened overnight and it hasn't happened by accident.
Here are a few pertinent quotes about money and banking from guys who might or might not have (you decide) known what they were talking about, from different eras and from different points on the political continuum. We would all do well to educate ourselves about the real nature of central banking and the plans they have for our future.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." ---Thomas Jefferson

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups."
Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University.

"The dollar represents a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve System. The Federal Reserve Banks create money out of thin air to buy Government Bonds from the U.S. Treasury...and has created out of nothing a ....debt which the American people are obliged to pay with interest." Wright Patman, U.S. Congressman from Texas

On Tuesday, December 15, 1931, Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, proclaimed:
"The Federal Reserve Board and banks are the duly appointed agents of the foreign central banks of issue and they are more concerned with their foreign customer than they are with the people of the United States. The only thing that is American about the Federal Reserve Board and banks is the money they use..."15
On Friday, June 10, 1932, McFadden again pleaded his case with his fellow colleagues:
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks...
"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into the States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and wheedling us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve banks are also members of this private cartel. Before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, while the Federal Reserve Bill was under discussion, attorney Alfred Crozier from Ohio observed:
"...the imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded exclusively by these central corporations owned by the banks. This is a life and death power over all local banks and all business. It can be used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies and panics. By making money artificially scarce, interest rates throughout the country can be arbitrarily raised and the bank tax on all business and cost of living increased for the profit of the banks owning these regional central banks, and without the slightest benefit to the people. These twelve corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency and all public revenues of the United States. Not a dollar can be put into circulation among the people by their government without the consent of (and on terms fixed by) these twelve private money trusts."

"If the American people knew tonight, exactly how the monetary and banking system worked, there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
--- Abraham Lincoln.

"whoever controls the volume of money in any country is the absolute master of all industry and commerce." --- US President James Garfield

"Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.
"Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
John Maynard Keynes
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Bravo, Mr. Knox.

Though, both solutions scare the living **** out me..

#1: Government controlling private industry.. (shudder).. isnt that the blind leading the blind?

#2: Leaving the economy to "reset" itself.. (shudder).. What will that look like?

Interesting points, Killer... smokescreen.. hmmm... eyes opened now.. thanks.
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