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Old 07-06-2011, 07:47 AM
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New oil mix being tried

As some of you know, I had the engine in my VTR rebuilt last fall with a nice selection of choice bits (Carillo rods, JE pistons, DLC-coated intake valves and piston pins,....). Now, 6000 km later, I beleive the break-in is pretty well complete (an assertion backed up by my latest oil change which had the oil (Rotella 15W40 dino) come out quite clean after 2900 km (telling me the wearing in of the new bits is pretty well complete).

Having recently discovered a Web site called bobistheoilguy, I have been reading (and learning) quite a bit about oil. My goal is to protect my engine as best as possible to ensure optimal performance and longevity without breaking the bank. My research has shown that said Rotella (which was used as my break-in oil btw) and Castrol Syntec 0W30 (known as German Castrol, or GC; made in Germany, a very stout Group IV/PAO oil that is very near to a 40-wt and has a very complete and robust additive package) are two stand-out oils that have shown a tremendous ability to withstand shearing (from gearbox). So, being the inquisitive type (and having a penchant for trying new things), I took it upon myself to blend both oils together (50/50 mix) in the hope of creating a relatively inexpensive and high performance lube for my engine.

The blend is now in the sump, and so beginneth the experiment...... While no one can predict the future, based on my research on the said site, I see no reason as to why it won`t work very well......

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Old 07-06-2011, 07:59 AM
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Oh goodie....an oil thread.

Where's the popcorn icon?
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Coming soon: fastest colour, followed by tires......
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we already know....yellow.

on a serious note. what's the price of the oils you're using?
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Bear in mind that, despite our dollar being above parity with the greenback at the moment, Canadian oil prices are substantially higher than those in the US.

Back to the question, I picked up the ouils in question at Canadian Tire for the following prices:
Rotella (5 L): $22
GC: $7.50/L (on sale; regular about $11)

You can get the Rotella very cheap at Wally land (about $11 a US gallon I beleive) and GC is said to be regularly on sale at NAPA for about $7 a quart (or so I have read). I am also using SuperTech (the long ones, 7317?) filters from Wally land (picked up on a recent trip Stateside (@ $2.80 each).
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Have you looked into Royal Purple?
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Old 07-06-2011, 10:38 AM
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yes, but it gets mixed reviews for motorcycle applications (based on what I read anyhow; granted there are very few "bad" oils out there, just some stand out as being excellent, including the two I am mixing)....
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have you given any consideration to how you will determine how your oil mixture performs?
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- In the seat of the pants dept: shift quality, engine noise and temperature, any other elements which may be observable (quicker to rev,....)
- Cleanliness, feel of oil when changed

and finally, possibly look at getting a sampled analyzed to see how it fares.... (only totally accurate and unbiased measure to be honest)
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Spent tons of dollars and then use cheap oil
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Originally Posted by franz125
Spent tons of dollars and then use cheap oil
Yeah, but it was Canadian dollars, so . . .

Seriously though, he is using "cheap" oil that at least has some objective evidence behind it. Unlike some of the expensive oil that is more about marketing.
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I just go with Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 & Purolator PureOne oil filter (PL14610, I can never find the 3.25" SuperTech ST7317 for winter storage: BTW see http://users.zoominternet.net/~capro...e%20ST7317.htm)

PureONE Oil Filters

and call it a day.

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Old 07-06-2011, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by franz125
Spent tons of dollars and then use cheap oil
Spoken like a true know-it-all........

It just so happens that the "cheap oil" outperformed many (ie. virtually all) the more expensive, so-called specialized motorcycle oils.

Some of us are informed and intelligent enough to know that how much you pay for an item, or the outlandish claims made by its manufacturer, are seldom a true reflection of the real value and effectiveness fo a product....

Just curious, how much research have you done on the subject, given that you have taken the (arrogant) liberty to comment in such a manner? Or wait, let me guess, you`re an Amsoil distributor.......

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Originally Posted by skokievtr
I just go with Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 & Purolator PureOne oil filter (PL14610, I can never find the 3.25" SuperTech ST7317 for winter storage: BTW see Inside the ST7317)

PureONE Oil Filters

and call it a day.
I looked at T6 and, while it is undoubtedly a great product, it seems to shear quite quickly in a shared sump set-up like the VTR (and virtually all Jap bikes). The dino oil held up MUCH better in severe use conditions......

Thanks for the filter link, I will have to give it a read.....

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Originally Posted by mikstr
I looked at T6 and, while it is undoubtedly a great product, it seems to shear quite quickly in a shared sump set-up like the VTR (and virtually all Jap bikes). The dino oil held up MUCH better in severe use conditions......

Thanks for the filter link, I will have to give it a read.....
where did u read about the t6 shearing?

here are some more filter links

Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison

Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference

Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
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I just use synthetic car oil that doesn't have lubrication enhancing additives. (no "energy conserving" logo on it)

Last two changes on the Superhawk have been Mobile 1 Synthetic High Mileage in the gallon jug from wally world. Works great, fairly cheap.
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Originally Posted by lazn
I just use synthetic car oil that doesn't have lubrication enhancing additives. (no "energy conserving" logo on it)

Last two changes on the Superhawk have been Mobile 1 Synthetic High Mileage in the gallon jug from wally world. Works great, fairly cheap.
Are you running 10W40 for AZ? I wouldn't mind buying oil by the gallon...
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Originally Posted by 7moore7
Are you running 10W40 for AZ? I wouldn't mind buying oil by the gallon...
Yep. Just be sure the oil does NOT have "energy conserving" on it.

The required round "donut" should be blank across the bottom

not like the one pictured here: Motorcycle oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...conserving.JPG
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That raises the question for me then, can dry clutch bikes use the energy conserving car oil? That'll give me something to look up later....
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Originally Posted by 7moore7
That raises the question for me then, can dry clutch bikes use the energy conserving car oil? That'll give me something to look up later....
Yes, and they benefit from it too.
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Originally Posted by skokievtr
Have a look at the bobistheoilguy site. There are a few used oil analyses (UOA) for the T6 (including the one by Sunruh) and it was found to shear in most. The main reason, it is said, is that the viscocity improvers used to boost it to a 40-wt when hot tend to shear when subjected to the gears in the tranny. Some oils are far worse but the dino Rotella holds up much better in this regard.

In regards to the 7317 filters, I checked mine and they are made in the USA (and NOT Mexico), which means they are made by Champion and are excellent filters. Whew!!!! Thanks for the heads up though
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Originally Posted by mikstr
Have a look at the bobistheoilguy site.
I found that website several years ago. +1000. It has very good information which helped me decide my current oil (wouldn't you like to know). I think you should do the analysis of each individual oils, then combined to see if it's worth the trouble.



Originally Posted by mikstr
Spoken like a true know-it-all........
Just curious, how much research have you done on the subject, given that you have taken the (arrogant) liberty to comment in such a manner? Or wait, let me guess, you`re an Amsoil distributor.......
Daym Mik, easy there big fella.
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Originally Posted by 97Wolverine
Daym Mik, easy there big fella.
Like I would purposely cheap out on oil after speding all that money on the engine. I have my share of shortcomings, but stupidity isn't one of them, I can assure you.

AS I stated previously, the oils I chose were two of the best tested (the only two which bettered them were one of the high-end Maxima offerings ($$$$) and even more inexpensive SuperTech 15W40 (not available in Canada to my knowledge)). These oils beat out many, many, many so-called boutique oils which most would certainly (blindly) deem vastly superior (as buddy boy did).

Seems the chap is confusing the words cheap and inexpensive.
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