New oil mix being tried
#1
New oil mix being tried
As some of you know, I had the engine in my VTR rebuilt last fall with a nice selection of choice bits (Carillo rods, JE pistons, DLC-coated intake valves and piston pins,....). Now, 6000 km later, I beleive the break-in is pretty well complete (an assertion backed up by my latest oil change which had the oil (Rotella 15W40 dino) come out quite clean after 2900 km (telling me the wearing in of the new bits is pretty well complete).
Having recently discovered a Web site called bobistheoilguy, I have been reading (and learning) quite a bit about oil. My goal is to protect my engine as best as possible to ensure optimal performance and longevity without breaking the bank. My research has shown that said Rotella (which was used as my break-in oil btw) and Castrol Syntec 0W30 (known as German Castrol, or GC; made in Germany, a very stout Group IV/PAO oil that is very near to a 40-wt and has a very complete and robust additive package) are two stand-out oils that have shown a tremendous ability to withstand shearing (from gearbox). So, being the inquisitive type (and having a penchant for trying new things), I took it upon myself to blend both oils together (50/50 mix) in the hope of creating a relatively inexpensive and high performance lube for my engine.
The blend is now in the sump, and so beginneth the experiment...... While no one can predict the future, based on my research on the said site, I see no reason as to why it won`t work very well......
Having recently discovered a Web site called bobistheoilguy, I have been reading (and learning) quite a bit about oil. My goal is to protect my engine as best as possible to ensure optimal performance and longevity without breaking the bank. My research has shown that said Rotella (which was used as my break-in oil btw) and Castrol Syntec 0W30 (known as German Castrol, or GC; made in Germany, a very stout Group IV/PAO oil that is very near to a 40-wt and has a very complete and robust additive package) are two stand-out oils that have shown a tremendous ability to withstand shearing (from gearbox). So, being the inquisitive type (and having a penchant for trying new things), I took it upon myself to blend both oils together (50/50 mix) in the hope of creating a relatively inexpensive and high performance lube for my engine.
The blend is now in the sump, and so beginneth the experiment...... While no one can predict the future, based on my research on the said site, I see no reason as to why it won`t work very well......
Last edited by mikstr; 07-06-2011 at 07:50 AM.
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Bear in mind that, despite our dollar being above parity with the greenback at the moment, Canadian oil prices are substantially higher than those in the US.
Back to the question, I picked up the ouils in question at Canadian Tire for the following prices:
Rotella (5 L): $22
GC: $7.50/L (on sale; regular about $11)
You can get the Rotella very cheap at Wally land (about $11 a US gallon I beleive) and GC is said to be regularly on sale at NAPA for about $7 a quart (or so I have read). I am also using SuperTech (the long ones, 7317?) filters from Wally land (picked up on a recent trip Stateside (@ $2.80 each).
Back to the question, I picked up the ouils in question at Canadian Tire for the following prices:
Rotella (5 L): $22
GC: $7.50/L (on sale; regular about $11)
You can get the Rotella very cheap at Wally land (about $11 a US gallon I beleive) and GC is said to be regularly on sale at NAPA for about $7 a quart (or so I have read). I am also using SuperTech (the long ones, 7317?) filters from Wally land (picked up on a recent trip Stateside (@ $2.80 each).
#7
yes, but it gets mixed reviews for motorcycle applications (based on what I read anyhow; granted there are very few "bad" oils out there, just some stand out as being excellent, including the two I am mixing)....
#9
- In the seat of the pants dept: shift quality, engine noise and temperature, any other elements which may be observable (quicker to rev,....)
- Cleanliness, feel of oil when changed
and finally, possibly look at getting a sampled analyzed to see how it fares.... (only totally accurate and unbiased measure to be honest)
- Cleanliness, feel of oil when changed
and finally, possibly look at getting a sampled analyzed to see how it fares.... (only totally accurate and unbiased measure to be honest)
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#12
I just go with Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 & Purolator PureOne oil filter (PL14610, I can never find the 3.25" SuperTech ST7317 for winter storage: BTW see http://users.zoominternet.net/~capro...e%20ST7317.htm)
PureONE Oil Filters
and call it a day.
PureONE Oil Filters
and call it a day.
Last edited by skokievtr; 07-06-2011 at 01:07 PM.
#13
Spoken like a true know-it-all........
It just so happens that the "cheap oil" outperformed many (ie. virtually all) the more expensive, so-called specialized motorcycle oils.
Some of us are informed and intelligent enough to know that how much you pay for an item, or the outlandish claims made by its manufacturer, are seldom a true reflection of the real value and effectiveness fo a product....
Just curious, how much research have you done on the subject, given that you have taken the (arrogant) liberty to comment in such a manner? Or wait, let me guess, you`re an Amsoil distributor.......
It just so happens that the "cheap oil" outperformed many (ie. virtually all) the more expensive, so-called specialized motorcycle oils.
Some of us are informed and intelligent enough to know that how much you pay for an item, or the outlandish claims made by its manufacturer, are seldom a true reflection of the real value and effectiveness fo a product....
Just curious, how much research have you done on the subject, given that you have taken the (arrogant) liberty to comment in such a manner? Or wait, let me guess, you`re an Amsoil distributor.......
Last edited by mikstr; 07-06-2011 at 01:48 PM.
#14
I just go with Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 & Purolator PureOne oil filter (PL14610, I can never find the 3.25" SuperTech ST7317 for winter storage: BTW see Inside the ST7317)
PureONE Oil Filters
and call it a day.
PureONE Oil Filters
and call it a day.
Thanks for the filter link, I will have to give it a read.....
Last edited by mikstr; 07-06-2011 at 01:49 PM.
#15
I looked at T6 and, while it is undoubtedly a great product, it seems to shear quite quickly in a shared sump set-up like the VTR (and virtually all Jap bikes). The dino oil held up MUCH better in severe use conditions......
Thanks for the filter link, I will have to give it a read.....
Thanks for the filter link, I will have to give it a read.....
here are some more filter links
Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison
Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference
Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
#16
I just use synthetic car oil that doesn't have lubrication enhancing additives. (no "energy conserving" logo on it)
Last two changes on the Superhawk have been Mobile 1 Synthetic High Mileage in the gallon jug from wally world. Works great, fairly cheap.
Last two changes on the Superhawk have been Mobile 1 Synthetic High Mileage in the gallon jug from wally world. Works great, fairly cheap.
#17
Are you running 10W40 for AZ? I wouldn't mind buying oil by the gallon...
#18
The required round "donut" should be blank across the bottom
not like the one pictured here: Motorcycle oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...conserving.JPG
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#21
where did u read about the t6 shearing?
here are some more filter links
Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison
Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference
Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
here are some more filter links
Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison
Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference
Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
In regards to the 7317 filters, I checked mine and they are made in the USA (and NOT Mexico), which means they are made by Champion and are excellent filters. Whew!!!! Thanks for the heads up though
#22
I found that website several years ago. +1000. It has very good information which helped me decide my current oil (wouldn't you like to know). I think you should do the analysis of each individual oils, then combined to see if it's worth the trouble.
Daym Mik, easy there big fella.
Daym Mik, easy there big fella.
#23
Like I would purposely cheap out on oil after speding all that money on the engine. I have my share of shortcomings, but stupidity isn't one of them, I can assure you.
AS I stated previously, the oils I chose were two of the best tested (the only two which bettered them were one of the high-end Maxima offerings ($$$$) and even more inexpensive SuperTech 15W40 (not available in Canada to my knowledge)). These oils beat out many, many, many so-called boutique oils which most would certainly (blindly) deem vastly superior (as buddy boy did).
Seems the chap is confusing the words cheap and inexpensive.
AS I stated previously, the oils I chose were two of the best tested (the only two which bettered them were one of the high-end Maxima offerings ($$$$) and even more inexpensive SuperTech 15W40 (not available in Canada to my knowledge)). These oils beat out many, many, many so-called boutique oils which most would certainly (blindly) deem vastly superior (as buddy boy did).
Seems the chap is confusing the words cheap and inexpensive.
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