Another one bites the dust
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Squid
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From: North Aurora, IL
Another one bites the dust
My turn - I had a CCT failure while riding the other day! Before all the "should've swapped them, etc. comments flood in let me answer them now:
I KNOW THAT NOW. THOSE COMMENTS DON'T HELP. LET'S MOVE ON.
Honestly, I had the bike in for a valve check/adjustment service at 19k miles and was told that everything was still in factory spec and it was perfect. This kept me from investigating premature failure, replacement, etc and only after having the problem did I search and find what SHOULD'VE been done.
Anyways, it's 2k miles later and it's done for. Here is my situation:
1 - I owe a thousand on the bike, know it will be at least that much more to fix (if not a ton more than that)
2 - I am not that interested in spending 2k for a bike that will still be worth less than 3k after it's all said and done
3 - I am not in much of a position to fix it myself (not all that skilled/motivated).
I am considering just parting it out... Has anybody had any luck doing this? Is it likely that i'd sell 4 parts and the rest would just sit for 3 years? I would honestly only need to clear 1-2 thousand bucks and the rest of the bike is MINT.
Thoughts/Ideas/Etc? Please don't waste your time alerting me as to how dumb I was to let this happen... I already am sick enough about the situation.
I KNOW THAT NOW. THOSE COMMENTS DON'T HELP. LET'S MOVE ON.
Honestly, I had the bike in for a valve check/adjustment service at 19k miles and was told that everything was still in factory spec and it was perfect. This kept me from investigating premature failure, replacement, etc and only after having the problem did I search and find what SHOULD'VE been done.
Anyways, it's 2k miles later and it's done for. Here is my situation:
1 - I owe a thousand on the bike, know it will be at least that much more to fix (if not a ton more than that)
2 - I am not that interested in spending 2k for a bike that will still be worth less than 3k after it's all said and done
3 - I am not in much of a position to fix it myself (not all that skilled/motivated).
I am considering just parting it out... Has anybody had any luck doing this? Is it likely that i'd sell 4 parts and the rest would just sit for 3 years? I would honestly only need to clear 1-2 thousand bucks and the rest of the bike is MINT.
Thoughts/Ideas/Etc? Please don't waste your time alerting me as to how dumb I was to let this happen... I already am sick enough about the situation.
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MotoGP
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From: Kempner, TX
VTR's are parted every day... do some foot work on Ebay with current and completed auctions.
As the motor is a large cash part to be sold your missing that as a whole piece.. But can still take it apart and sell the one good head, case covers....carbs, and maybe the bottom end.. maybe... Then piece out the rest of the bike, see if what your likely to make, after shipping costs, time and effort and see what ya have... Might be better to sell it for $800 whole and just suck up the loss.
As the motor is a large cash part to be sold your missing that as a whole piece.. But can still take it apart and sell the one good head, case covers....carbs, and maybe the bottom end.. maybe... Then piece out the rest of the bike, see if what your likely to make, after shipping costs, time and effort and see what ya have... Might be better to sell it for $800 whole and just suck up the loss.
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From: Baltimore, Maryland
As the motor is a large cash part to be sold your missing that as a whole piece.. But can still take it apart and sell the one good head, case covers....carbs, and maybe the bottom end.. maybe... Then piece out the rest of the bike, see if what your likely to make, after shipping costs, time and effort and see what ya have... Might be better to sell it for $800 whole and just suck up the loss.[/QUOTE]
There's some truth in that.. Parting things out is very time consuming. Advertising, communicating, packing, shipping, driving to post office, ect all take a while. You could easily spend much more of your time than it's worth doing all that. It's likely once every single part is sold you could come out with some profit, but that could be a few months until they all sell.
If you don't have the time for individual parting you may have luck selling it whole. A while back I bought an entire bike with NO motor for $850. I used some parts of it, and have since made my $850 investment back plus some by parting it out...mostly just replying to "parts wanted" adds here on the forum.
There's some truth in that.. Parting things out is very time consuming. Advertising, communicating, packing, shipping, driving to post office, ect all take a while. You could easily spend much more of your time than it's worth doing all that. It's likely once every single part is sold you could come out with some profit, but that could be a few months until they all sell.
If you don't have the time for individual parting you may have luck selling it whole. A while back I bought an entire bike with NO motor for $850. I used some parts of it, and have since made my $850 investment back plus some by parting it out...mostly just replying to "parts wanted" adds here on the forum.
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From: largo,fl
it really wouldnt cost that much to replace the front head,if you could find a good used head.i would think 500 or less should get you running again.
if you can read a cook book and successfully make something,you can read a manual and get this done,just time and patience.
and its not that big of a mess either if organized.
if you can read a cook book and successfully make something,you can read a manual and get this done,just time and patience.
and its not that big of a mess either if organized.
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Squid
Joined: Aug 2009
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From: North Aurora, IL
Specs
I'll upload some pics soon. I'm at work now!
It's a 2002
Red
20xxx miles (naturally, given the problem)
I bought it 3yrs ago with about 9900 miles on it, and have taken good care of it overall - never down, no serious scratches/wear other than a few little specks from the road.
It's mostly stock - other than:
K&N Air Filter
Gutted and shortened (and painted black) exhaust - sounds amazing but loud
flush mount signals
factory fender chopped
Aftermarket mirrors with turn signals built in
Brand new (<500 miles) gold EK chain
Oil has been changed every 3000 miles since I've owned it. It's been washed and waxed at regular intervals, chain lubed properly and coolant flushed as recently as a year ago. Newer (<1.5 yr) battery, non-broken seat cowl. Michelin 2CT Tires have less than 1500 miles on them.
Seriously, aside from my ignorance to the cct issue, I have babied this thing. I ride it hard when I get on a good road, but I NEVER stunt/beat on the thing. It's always kept in a garage, and it's been properly stored every winter I've had it. Hell, It's never seen more than a 6-8" wheelie.
I'm going to look into what parts can/do go for, get myself some ballpark pricing on what it's worth to start tearing it apart and I'll know a bit more if this is the route to take for me.
It's a 2002
Red
20xxx miles (naturally, given the problem)
I bought it 3yrs ago with about 9900 miles on it, and have taken good care of it overall - never down, no serious scratches/wear other than a few little specks from the road.
It's mostly stock - other than:
K&N Air Filter
Gutted and shortened (and painted black) exhaust - sounds amazing but loud
flush mount signals
factory fender chopped
Aftermarket mirrors with turn signals built in
Brand new (<500 miles) gold EK chain
Oil has been changed every 3000 miles since I've owned it. It's been washed and waxed at regular intervals, chain lubed properly and coolant flushed as recently as a year ago. Newer (<1.5 yr) battery, non-broken seat cowl. Michelin 2CT Tires have less than 1500 miles on them.
Seriously, aside from my ignorance to the cct issue, I have babied this thing. I ride it hard when I get on a good road, but I NEVER stunt/beat on the thing. It's always kept in a garage, and it's been properly stored every winter I've had it. Hell, It's never seen more than a 6-8" wheelie.
I'm going to look into what parts can/do go for, get myself some ballpark pricing on what it's worth to start tearing it apart and I'll know a bit more if this is the route to take for me.
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MotoGP
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,871
From: Phoenix, AZ
Like the others said, I wouldn't recommend parting out if you're over and done and want cash and an open parking space. Unless you have a few big ticket items in good condition that people are looking for (exhaust,aftermarket shock, forks, fairings, etc). It'll take a little bit of time to really make it worth it.
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Squid
Joined: Aug 2009
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From: North Aurora, IL
Some A/V of the bike
Not sure if these links will work, but:
Helmet cam/chase cam taken a couple months ago:
and
110mph fly-by from a couple years ago:
and
exhaust vid from a couple years ago:
Helmet cam/chase cam taken a couple months ago:
and
110mph fly-by from a couple years ago:
and
exhaust vid from a couple years ago:
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Squid
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From: Santa Fe, New Mexico
I am sorry to hear about your hawk. I have a 2002 with 19900 on it. Just bought it last month. I've read just about every thread covering the CCT experience and have been postponing the project until I can find a decent place to do the work. (I am curious, did you get any indication the chain was loose)? Your post has helped to make up my mind that it's time to do the job this week end. I've bribed a friend to use his garage, I have all the parts and notes. It looks like it's simple enough and not really a big deal plus I can check my valve lash while I'm there. Not having a good place to do the work isn't good enough, gotta do it!
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Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 274
From: Hawaii
Aloha,
Really sorry about your situation. I just looked over your pics of the bike
and it would really be a shame to put her down/part her out. CCT problems
at that mileage seem ashame, but the age/useage previously, would make me cautious.
Any members close by who might be able to check it out before drastic decesions?
I would not be too hard to check damage. You might be lucky and get away with
just bent valves. Heads are available online. Trying to find something comparable
reflecting your $1000 liability existing might be challenging.
If it was me(which it isn't), I would try to get it fixed.
I just recently changed out my CCTs with about 67K miles on her. No problems just for peace of mind. Researched the forum for a good 6-8 months before the mod. Lots and lots of good info and threads on the topic. Might be a good possible avenue for you.
We have a Wealth of Knowledgeable Members and Good People.
It would not hurt to ASK.
Wish you well, what ever you decide. Will be checking post.
Good Luck. Love my "98(RED S/H). Aloha...
Really sorry about your situation. I just looked over your pics of the bike
and it would really be a shame to put her down/part her out. CCT problems
at that mileage seem ashame, but the age/useage previously, would make me cautious.
Any members close by who might be able to check it out before drastic decesions?
I would not be too hard to check damage. You might be lucky and get away with
just bent valves. Heads are available online. Trying to find something comparable
reflecting your $1000 liability existing might be challenging.
If it was me(which it isn't), I would try to get it fixed.
I just recently changed out my CCTs with about 67K miles on her. No problems just for peace of mind. Researched the forum for a good 6-8 months before the mod. Lots and lots of good info and threads on the topic. Might be a good possible avenue for you.
We have a Wealth of Knowledgeable Members and Good People.
It would not hurt to ASK.
Wish you well, what ever you decide. Will be checking post.
Good Luck. Love my "98(RED S/H). Aloha...
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Squid
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Not really, although hindsight is 20/20. As stated before, I didn't know about the problem in advance, or else I'd have acted slightly different.
There were a few instances over the past 1500 miles where the bike would occasionally hiccup - like one little skip per day of riding. Almost could've been mistaken for hitting a bump and your throttle blipped from the impact. I chalked it up to 10yr old carbs that were showing the very first signs of maybe needing attention in the near future.
On D-Day, the bike did the typical - lost power at a constant 6th gear highway cruise, I dropped down a couple gears to force the revs above the choking point (which woke it back up completely). Was thinking "yeah - definitely have some gummed up carbs, I'll have to give them some attention when I get home". 2 miles later I exit tollway, having NO indication anything was different after the 3 second episode mentioned. When I came to the first stoplight and stopped moving, heard a slight ticking noise, sure. I was concerned, but the bike was still running perfectly smooth as silk. I decided to head towards home instead of staying on course. Left the light, bike ran fine (still the tingling noise at certain rpm) and when I slowed down for the next light, the bike stopped firing on one of the cylinders, sounded like wrenches in a bucket and died within seconds.
Had I known about it, I may have done things a bit differently, but honestly it isn't likely that I'd have called my friend to get his trailer to come pick up my bike that was running beautifully with a slight ticking when I was only 7 miles from home and he lives 25mi away.
I've done some thinking and at this point I'm going to just do an early winterization storage this weekend. I don't have the time or money to deal with it now. You guys have been so helpful and I'm not quite ready to part it out. I have a good mechanic that will help me fix it, but I can't bring it to him until I'm prepared to run a big tab (and hope its less). I'll do it in the spring. Depending on the outcome I still may part it out/sell it as is/have it fixed and either keep it or sell it. We'll have to wait and see.
You guys are amazing. Support, advice and quality insight - I can't do much better with people I know sometimes!
There were a few instances over the past 1500 miles where the bike would occasionally hiccup - like one little skip per day of riding. Almost could've been mistaken for hitting a bump and your throttle blipped from the impact. I chalked it up to 10yr old carbs that were showing the very first signs of maybe needing attention in the near future.
On D-Day, the bike did the typical - lost power at a constant 6th gear highway cruise, I dropped down a couple gears to force the revs above the choking point (which woke it back up completely). Was thinking "yeah - definitely have some gummed up carbs, I'll have to give them some attention when I get home". 2 miles later I exit tollway, having NO indication anything was different after the 3 second episode mentioned. When I came to the first stoplight and stopped moving, heard a slight ticking noise, sure. I was concerned, but the bike was still running perfectly smooth as silk. I decided to head towards home instead of staying on course. Left the light, bike ran fine (still the tingling noise at certain rpm) and when I slowed down for the next light, the bike stopped firing on one of the cylinders, sounded like wrenches in a bucket and died within seconds.
Had I known about it, I may have done things a bit differently, but honestly it isn't likely that I'd have called my friend to get his trailer to come pick up my bike that was running beautifully with a slight ticking when I was only 7 miles from home and he lives 25mi away.
I've done some thinking and at this point I'm going to just do an early winterization storage this weekend. I don't have the time or money to deal with it now. You guys have been so helpful and I'm not quite ready to part it out. I have a good mechanic that will help me fix it, but I can't bring it to him until I'm prepared to run a big tab (and hope its less). I'll do it in the spring. Depending on the outcome I still may part it out/sell it as is/have it fixed and either keep it or sell it. We'll have to wait and see.
You guys are amazing. Support, advice and quality insight - I can't do much better with people I know sometimes!
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From: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Not really, although hindsight is 20/20. As stated before, I didn't know about the problem in advance, or else I'd have acted slightly different.
There were a few instances over the past 1500 miles where the bike would occasionally hiccup - like one little skip per day of riding. Almost could've been mistaken for hitting a bump and your throttle blipped from the impact. I chalked it up to 10yr old carbs that were showing the very first signs of maybe needing attention in the near future.
On D-Day, the bike did the typical - lost power at a constant 6th gear highway cruise, I dropped down a couple gears to force the revs above the choking point (which woke it back up completely). Was thinking "yeah - definitely have some gummed up carbs, I'll have to give them some attention when I get home". 2 miles later I exit tollway, having NO indication anything was different after the 3 second episode mentioned. When I came to the first stoplight and stopped moving, heard a slight ticking noise, sure. I was concerned, but the bike was still running perfectly smooth as silk. I decided to head towards home instead of staying on course. Left the light, bike ran fine (still the tingling noise at certain rpm) and when I slowed down for the next light, the bike stopped firing on one of the cylinders, sounded like wrenches in a bucket and died within seconds.
Had I known about it, I may have done things a bit differently, but honestly it isn't likely that I'd have called my friend to get his trailer to come pick up my bike that was running beautifully with a slight ticking when I was only 7 miles from home and he lives 25mi away.
I've done some thinking and at this point I'm going to just do an early winterization storage this weekend. I don't have the time or money to deal with it now. You guys have been so helpful and I'm not quite ready to part it out. I have a good mechanic that will help me fix it, but I can't bring it to him until I'm prepared to run a big tab (and hope its less). I'll do it in the spring. Depending on the outcome I still may part it out/sell it as is/have it fixed and either keep it or sell it. We'll have to wait and see.
You guys are amazing. Support, advice and quality insight - I can't do much better with people I know sometimes!
There were a few instances over the past 1500 miles where the bike would occasionally hiccup - like one little skip per day of riding. Almost could've been mistaken for hitting a bump and your throttle blipped from the impact. I chalked it up to 10yr old carbs that were showing the very first signs of maybe needing attention in the near future.
On D-Day, the bike did the typical - lost power at a constant 6th gear highway cruise, I dropped down a couple gears to force the revs above the choking point (which woke it back up completely). Was thinking "yeah - definitely have some gummed up carbs, I'll have to give them some attention when I get home". 2 miles later I exit tollway, having NO indication anything was different after the 3 second episode mentioned. When I came to the first stoplight and stopped moving, heard a slight ticking noise, sure. I was concerned, but the bike was still running perfectly smooth as silk. I decided to head towards home instead of staying on course. Left the light, bike ran fine (still the tingling noise at certain rpm) and when I slowed down for the next light, the bike stopped firing on one of the cylinders, sounded like wrenches in a bucket and died within seconds.
Had I known about it, I may have done things a bit differently, but honestly it isn't likely that I'd have called my friend to get his trailer to come pick up my bike that was running beautifully with a slight ticking when I was only 7 miles from home and he lives 25mi away.
I've done some thinking and at this point I'm going to just do an early winterization storage this weekend. I don't have the time or money to deal with it now. You guys have been so helpful and I'm not quite ready to part it out. I have a good mechanic that will help me fix it, but I can't bring it to him until I'm prepared to run a big tab (and hope its less). I'll do it in the spring. Depending on the outcome I still may part it out/sell it as is/have it fixed and either keep it or sell it. We'll have to wait and see.
You guys are amazing. Support, advice and quality insight - I can't do much better with people I know sometimes!
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