HOLY HYDROCARBONS BATMAN!
02-15-2012, 03:51 PM
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HOLY HYDROCARBONS BATMAN!
$4.05 regular today.
I filled up our 4Runner this morning at $3.99/gal for regular, then 3 hours later went to fill up the Tacoma at the same station, and it's $4.05!
Over $4/gallon and barely 1/2 way through Winter. Expect $5/gallon, or close to it, by Summer.
High gas prices raise the price of everything, yet the current administration refuses to open up ANWR, offshore drilling, or approve the Keystone Project.
But they will give you a Federally funded rebate of $10,000 for buying a Chevy Volt, that goes less than 35 miles on a charge. (That means you and I pay the $10,000 through our taxes). So if your neighbor buys a Volt, say to him, "You're welcome".
I filled up our 4Runner this morning at $3.99/gal for regular, then 3 hours later went to fill up the Tacoma at the same station, and it's $4.05!Over $4/gallon and barely 1/2 way through Winter. Expect $5/gallon, or close to it, by Summer.
High gas prices raise the price of everything, yet the current administration refuses to open up ANWR, offshore drilling, or approve the Keystone Project.
But they will give you a Federally funded rebate of $10,000 for buying a Chevy Volt, that goes less than 35 miles on a charge. (That means you and I pay the $10,000 through our taxes). So if your neighbor buys a Volt, say to him, "You're welcome".
02-24-2012, 10:39 AM
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We have plenty of oil and gas reserves but this turd won't let us drill for it! That's not whining that's fact.
02-24-2012, 10:45 AM
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I REALLY don't like talking politics on this forum, however i do find it funny that when people blamed Bush it wasn't his fault but it IS Obamas. Anyway here's another perspective on what "could" be driving up the prices
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...-price-of-gas/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...-price-of-gas/
02-24-2012, 11:07 AM
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I don't really intend to get political but I would seriously ignore anything coming out of ABC and especially George Stephanopoulos the democratic bagman at ABC. I also agree that there is worldwide speculation of the oil market at this time not just Wall St.
02-24-2012, 11:43 AM
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The reason we don't drill here and decide to import is money.
It's simple, import from somewhere else and make a profit off of it for nothing. Bleed everyone else dry, then tap into our own reserves and flip the bargain. Charge insane prices for US oil to be exported, making oil tycoons rich like the Saudi sheiks and such are now.
It all comes down to the same driving force as everything in this world now, money.
It's simple, import from somewhere else and make a profit off of it for nothing. Bleed everyone else dry, then tap into our own reserves and flip the bargain. Charge insane prices for US oil to be exported, making oil tycoons rich like the Saudi sheiks and such are now.
It all comes down to the same driving force as everything in this world now, money.
02-24-2012, 12:49 PM
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This is what's wrong with politics these days why does everything have to be across party lines? Form your own opinion on what is said by the people in the interview such as, The Wall Street Journal report listed. I rarely agree with what's on Fox news but I will listen and then research and form an opinion, much like how I vote as an independent. Rarely do I vote republican but if i feel a candidate is worthy of my vote I will vote for them regardless of their party.
Off the soap box now, that is all.
Off the soap box now, that is all.
02-24-2012, 04:40 PM
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I REALLY don't like talking politics on this forum, however i do find it funny that when people blamed Bush it wasn't his fault but it IS Obamas. Anyway here's another perspective on what "could" be driving up the prices
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...-price-of-gas/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...-price-of-gas/
W got us into Iraq because Saddam H tried to kill his daddy, and to open a whole new market for his friends to boondoggle. The money we have and will spend in Iraq and Afghanistan (ignoring the devastation of our well meaning front-line troops and the economy) could have more than paid for a national health plan, saved social security and medicare, and ensured no US child ever goes to bed hungry.
The fact that the "expert" referenced in your link relied on Goldman Sachs statistics speaks volumes as to the final analysis being rubbish; as GS is one of the worst offenders in regard to insider trading and profiteering.
Nuf said. Fallen Middle-Class Member
02-24-2012, 06:11 PM
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Being a Floridian the odds are you are also a Republican, and thus have an agenda when it comes to the Obamanator. Regardless, W is very much responsible for the state of our economy. Like Reagan, whose trickle-down economics did more to damage our economy and skew and distort economic theory (which Republicans still spout as gospel), W is solely responsible for the mess Obama was left to clean up. And don't blame Obama for bailing out Wall Street either; he had no choice. The Republicans are the ones who keep holding the economy hostage every time they filibuster a budget vote. Trickle down economics are a joke and in addition to increasing the capital gains tax and filling tax loopholes that only the rich can exploit, many of the super-rich agree that they in no way shape or form pay their fair share.
W got us into Iraq because Saddam H tried to kill his daddy, and to open a whole new market for his friends to boondoggle. The money we have and will spend in Iraq and Afghanistan (ignoring the devastation of our well meaning front-line troops and the economy) could have more than paid for a national health plan, saved social security and medicare, and ensured no US child ever goes to bed hungry.
The fact that the "expert" referenced in your link relied on Goldman Sachs statistics speaks volumes as to the final analysis being rubbish; as GS is one of the worst offenders in regard to insider trading and profiteering.
Nuf said. Fallen Middle-Class Member
W got us into Iraq because Saddam H tried to kill his daddy, and to open a whole new market for his friends to boondoggle. The money we have and will spend in Iraq and Afghanistan (ignoring the devastation of our well meaning front-line troops and the economy) could have more than paid for a national health plan, saved social security and medicare, and ensured no US child ever goes to bed hungry.
The fact that the "expert" referenced in your link relied on Goldman Sachs statistics speaks volumes as to the final analysis being rubbish; as GS is one of the worst offenders in regard to insider trading and profiteering.
Nuf said. Fallen Middle-Class Member
Wow dude did you read that post a little fast or something, did you bother to hit the link before you gave me the diatribe and do we judge people by their spot on a map! Sorry you made my day with that one, a Republican, um no. If you read my next post you would see I'm an Independent and used to be called a moderate. Of course in this day and age I guess I would be called, wait for it, a dirty word is coming, Liberal! I know you're not new to the site so I guess you've never read any of my political post before but thanks, now I at least know i'm not alone on this site anymore. 
BTW I agree with pretty much everything you wrote but you're preaching to the choir.
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02-28-2012, 12:37 AM
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1 gallon = 4.5461 liter
We pay now 1,799 euro per liter
so 8.178 euro per gallon
1 euro = 1.3453 usd
That means we pay 11 dollar per gallon in Holland.
Can you guys imagine how funny it is for us to see you guys pissed of about the price of 4 dollar:P
I'm so jealous about your prices
seems like free gas for me
We pay now 1,799 euro per liter
so 8.178 euro per gallon
1 euro = 1.3453 usd
That means we pay 11 dollar per gallon in Holland.
Can you guys imagine how funny it is for us to see you guys pissed of about the price of 4 dollar:P
I'm so jealous about your prices
seems like free gas for me
02-28-2012, 01:54 AM
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@vtr1000firestorm,
Amen to that, I also live in Holland. Seeing people complain about 4 dollar/gallon gas is just funny. Get out from under the rock you're siting under it makes me think then.
The high taxes here actually even have a nice side effect, made us buy cars that make some sense long ago. With their lower fuel consumption we're not even paying that much more. And if the petrol prices w/o taxes double the tax is a fixed ammount, so petrol at the pump maybe goes up maybe 20% or so.
And if I ride the Hawk, well that's mainly for fun, and the way I drive it it likes petrol even more :-D
Amen to that, I also live in Holland. Seeing people complain about 4 dollar/gallon gas is just funny. Get out from under the rock you're siting under it makes me think then.
The high taxes here actually even have a nice side effect, made us buy cars that make some sense long ago. With their lower fuel consumption we're not even paying that much more. And if the petrol prices w/o taxes double the tax is a fixed ammount, so petrol at the pump maybe goes up maybe 20% or so.
And if I ride the Hawk, well that's mainly for fun, and the way I drive it it likes petrol even more :-D
02-28-2012, 07:33 AM
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1st of all, not all US citizens drive gas guzzlers. Personally, I've been driving 4-cylinders cars since 1968 with a few exceptions, and they usually average 22~30 mpg. Most of my motorbikes averaged, with the exception of the VTR, 45~55 mpg. Also our public transportation systems are not that good which forces us to drive/ride to work. In Chicago the CTA and METRA rail systems are fairly good but I most often have to drive/ride to go to job sites. Most importantly, the Netherlands for example has only about 23% of the land area of my state of Illinois (13k sq mi / 34k sq km vs 58k sq mi / 141k sq km and we're only 1 of 48 contiguous states!), which means we have to drive significantly greater distances. The average daily round trip commute for a US worker, whether by car/motorbike or bus/train, is 38+ miles. We produce 65% of the worlds food and thus need land to grow it on. We and Canada also have a high percentage of the worlds fresh water reserves and industrial natural resources.
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
02-28-2012, 08:59 AM
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If more domestic oil production were the answer to keeping gas prices down, then it would have happened, as there has been steady increases in oil production over the last 4 years vs. the 8 years of the Bush administration. We also import LESS oil than we have in the past. We also still have it better off than our european brothers.
02-28-2012, 09:19 AM
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ANWR wont make a difference in our prices. Sorry. Oil drilled in the US becomes part of the global market. I am patiently waiting for an affordable electeric car and practical electric bike.
02-28-2012, 09:20 AM
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I believe the average gas mileage (in the USA of )vehicles has gone down since the 80's gas crisis. We are a society of waste and we are paying for it! We should keep it on our continent to support our jobs instead of selling out to the Asians!
02-28-2012, 09:55 AM
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1st of all, not all US citizens drive gas guzzlers. Personally, I've been driving 4-cylinders cars since 1968 with a few exceptions, and they usually average 22~30 mpg. Most of my motorbikes averaged, with the exception of the VTR, 45~55 mpg. Also our public transportation systems are not that good which forces us to drive/ride to work. In Chicago the CTA and METRA rail systems are fairly good but I most often have to drive/ride to go to job sites. Most importantly, the Netherlands for example has only about 23% of the land area of my state of Illinois (13k sq mi / 34k sq km vs 58k sq mi / 141k sq km and we're only 1 of 48 contiguous states!), which means we have to drive significantly greater distances. The average daily round trip commute for a US worker, whether by car/motorbike or bus/train, is 38+ miles. We produce 65% of the worlds food and thus need land to grow it on. We and Canada also have a high percentage of the worlds fresh water reserves and industrial natural resources.
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
02-28-2012, 11:41 AM
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If more domestic oil production were the answer to keeping gas prices down, then it would have happened, as there has been steady increases in oil production over the last 4 years vs. the 8 years of the Bush administration. We also import LESS oil than we have in the past. We also still have it better off than our european brothers.
However, I was paying 25 cents a pack for cigarettes and smoking 2 packs a day back in 1967 when I decided to quit smoking. $5 a pack now, I think, so maybe I shouldn't complain... but I still will. And I haven't owned a vehicle with a V8 since I traded in my '77 Olds Cutlass in 1986, for a Mazda 4 cyl pick-up.
Bush was bought off just as much as Obama is, just by different influences ("green" energy for Obama). And most of the new oil production was approved by the Bush administration. It takes years to get those projects on line.
02-28-2012, 12:12 PM
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@vtr1000firestorm,
Amen to that, I also live in Holland. Seeing people complain about 4 dollar/gallon gas is just funny. Get out from under the rock you're siting under it makes me think then.
The high taxes here actually even have a nice side effect, made us buy cars that make some sense long ago. With their lower fuel consumption we're not even paying that much more. And if the petrol prices w/o taxes double the tax is a fixed ammount, so petrol at the pump maybe goes up maybe 20% or so.
And if I ride the Hawk, well that's mainly for fun, and the way I drive it it likes petrol even more :-D
Amen to that, I also live in Holland. Seeing people complain about 4 dollar/gallon gas is just funny. Get out from under the rock you're siting under it makes me think then.
The high taxes here actually even have a nice side effect, made us buy cars that make some sense long ago. With their lower fuel consumption we're not even paying that much more. And if the petrol prices w/o taxes double the tax is a fixed ammount, so petrol at the pump maybe goes up maybe 20% or so.
And if I ride the Hawk, well that's mainly for fun, and the way I drive it it likes petrol even more :-D
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
02-28-2012, 01:02 PM
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It's for this reason I secretly wish gas taxes would go up so much that it is 8 bucks a gallon here, just long enough to get all the douchebags to stop daily driving their huge pickup trucks and SUVs...then come back down once all those pieces of **** have gone to the crusher.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
02-28-2012, 02:10 PM
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Well, I remember paying 24 CENTS a gallon here in Southern California, back in 1973, just before the first Arab Oil Embargo, so $5/gallon seems huge to me. I saw $4.59 at a station in Laguna Beach last weekend. Some countries now pay way less than we do in the US.
Bush was bought off just as much as Obama is, just by different influences ("green" energy for Obama). And most of the new oil production was approved by the Bush administration. It takes years to get those projects on line.
Bush was bought off just as much as Obama is, just by different influences ("green" energy for Obama). And most of the new oil production was approved by the Bush administration. It takes years to get those projects on line.
Additionally, I wasn't really trying to give Obama or anyone in particular credit for the additional oil production, just stating a fact, and thusly pointing out that a mantra like "drill baby, drill" doesn't really in fact yield the results that proponents would have the public believe.
02-29-2012, 02:36 AM
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1st of all, not all US citizens drive gas guzzlers. Personally, I've been driving 4-cylinders cars since 1968 with a few exceptions, and they usually average 22~30 mpg. Most of my motorbikes averaged, with the exception of the VTR, 45~55 mpg. Also our public transportation systems are not that good which forces us to drive/ride to work. In Chicago the CTA and METRA rail systems are fairly good but I most often have to drive/ride to go to job sites. Most importantly, the Netherlands for example has only about 23% of the land area of my state of Illinois (13k sq mi / 34k sq km vs 58k sq mi / 141k sq km and we're only 1 of 48 contiguous states!), which means we have to drive significantly greater distances. The average daily round trip commute for a US worker, whether by car/motorbike or bus/train, is 38+ miles. We produce 65% of the worlds food and thus need land to grow it on. We and Canada also have a high percentage of the worlds fresh water reserves and industrial natural resources.
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
You cannot compare our transportation history to Europe. The 800 pound gorilla in the global fuel crisis in now China followed by India. As their middle classes go mobile, they will soon garner more oil than the US, which in fact has reduced its oil consumption over the last 3 years by 8%.
Apples and oranges Dutchboys
I BTW agree that China is the 800 pound Gorilla in the room right now. It'll make this discussion we have here fade away in the year to come.
It's for this reason I secretly wish gas taxes would go up so much that it is 8 bucks a gallon here, just long enough to get all the douchebags to stop daily driving their huge pickup trucks and SUVs...then come back down once all those pieces of **** have gone to the crusher.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
If as much people were riding bikes as driving cars a second hand VTR would probably cost twice as much!
02-29-2012, 10:08 AM
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It's for this reason I secretly wish gas taxes would go up so much that it is 8 bucks a gallon here, just long enough to get all the douchebags to stop daily driving their huge pickup trucks and SUVs...then come back down once all those pieces of **** have gone to the crusher.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
Honestly theres just no reason to be driving vehicles like that.
When this post was written it was 3.29 a gallon here, 7 days later and I paid 4.19 this morning
Really 90 cents in 7 days...
02-29-2012, 06:16 PM
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simple talk about oil/drilling
Why Gas Prices Are So High - YouTube
Why Gas Prices Are So High - YouTube
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