PUSHrod

Its an adversarial relationship, the one between the police and the citizens. Not all cops are 9/11 heros and few of the citizens are sterling examples of righteousness. I am left with finding my way through the morass.

Put me on the jury. In my civic duty I'll come down on the side of 'reasonable' every time.

And I'll thank you for a quick flash on the road. I don't need a BS ticket for five over in a zone that was marked unreasonably slow. Cops counting coup is uncool.

Erik S.

There is a huge difference between the conversation and what you stated. These people are using their low beams, then quickly flashing their high beams to warn oncomers of a LEO conducting a speed trap. They are not using their high beams and failing to return to their low beams.

nothing

isn't that some sort of assist in evasion of justice?

killer5280

No.

Is that what traffic tickets are about? Justice?

Erik S.

Evasion of what justice? The LEOs are writing tickets against a ficticious law.

If we're asking questions and analyzing this, are the LEOs properly conducting the speed controlled zone? Is there equipment properly calibrated and tested before use? Are there laws requiring lights to be on, are they following them?

Lots of questions.

Simple fact in this situation is: The LEOs are writing tickets to citizens, that are based on a Ficticious/False/FAKE law.

Old Yeller

in order to have a clear discussion, it might be good to be on the same page regarding the specific law.
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316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions.


(1) No person shall drive or move or cause to be moved any vehicle or equipment upon any highway within this state with any lamp or device thereon showing or displaying a red or blue light visible from directly in front thereof except for certain vehicles hereinafter provided.
(2) It is expressly prohibited for any vehicle or equipment, except police vehicles, to show or display blue lights. However, vehicles owned, operated, or leased by the Department of Corrections or any county correctional agency may show or display blue lights when responding to emergencies.
(3) Vehicles of the fire department and fire patrol, including vehicles of volunteer firefighters as permitted under s. 316.2398, vehicles of medical staff physicians or technicians of medical facilities licensed by the state as authorized under s. 316.2398, ambulances as authorized under this chapter, and buses and taxicabs as authorized under s. 316.2399 are permitted to show or display red lights. Vehicles of the fire department, fire patrol, police vehicles, and such ambulances and emergency vehicles of municipal and county departments, public service corporations operated by private corporations, the Department of Environmental Protection, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, and the Department of Corrections as are designated or authorized by their respective department or the chief of police of an incorporated city or any sheriff of any county are hereby authorized to operate emergency lights and sirens in an emergency. Wreckers, mosquito control fog and spray vehicles, and emergency vehicles of governmental departments or public service corporations may show or display amber lights when in actual operation or when a hazard exists provided they are not used going to and from the scene of operation or hazard without specific authorization of a law enforcement officer or law enforcement agency. Wreckers must use amber rotating or flashing lights while performing recoveries and loading on the roadside day or night, and may use such lights while towing a vehicle on wheel lifts, slings, or under reach if the operator of the wrecker deems such lights necessary. A flatbed, car carrier, or rollback may not use amber rotating or flashing lights when hauling a vehicle on the bed unless it creates a hazard to other motorists because of protruding objects. Further, escort vehicles may show or display amber lights when in the actual process of escorting overdimensioned equipment, material, or buildings as authorized by law. Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or public property.
(4) Road or street maintenance equipment, road or street maintenance vehicles, road service vehicles, refuse collection vehicles, petroleum tankers, and mail carrier vehicles may show or display amber lights when in operation or a hazard exists.
(5) Road maintenance and construction equipment and vehicles may display flashing white lights or flashing white strobe lights when in operation and where a hazard exists. Additionally, school buses and vehicles that are used to transport farm workers may display flashing white strobe lights.
(6) All lighting equipment heretofore referred to shall meet all requirements as set forth in s. 316.241.
(7) Flashing lights are prohibited on vehicles except as a means of indicating a right or left turn, to change lanes, or to indicate that the vehicle is lawfully stopped or disabled upon the highway or except that the lamps authorized in subsections (1), (2), (3), (4), and (9) and s. 316.235(5) are permitted to flash.
(8) Subsections (1) and (7) do not apply to police, fire, or authorized emergency vehicles while in the performance of their necessary duties.
(9) Flashing red lights may be used by emergency response vehicles of the Department of Environmental Protection and the Department of Health when responding to an emergency in the line of duty. (10) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

lazn

"Every quote ever made is always quoted exactly right, especially on the internet."

-George Washington

Old Yeller

Hold on just a durn minute....I thought Al Gore invented the internet, not George Washington!

nothing

[QUOTE=Old Yeller;313035]in order to have a clear discussion, it might be good to be on the same page regarding the specific law....
..316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions...
...(7) Flashing lights are prohibited on vehicles except as a means of indicating a right or left turn, to change lanes, or to indicate that the vehicle is lawfully stopped or disabled upon the highway or except that the lamps authorized in subsections (1), (2), (3), (4), and (9) and s. 316.235(5) are permitted to flash. [/QUOTE]
the justice they are evading is a result of their own light flashing actions.

kj4kym

if your warning people about police, they can get you for hindering an investigation

98VTRrider

Erik S.

You're skipping steps.

What would the investigation be? What wrong doing have they done? A speed trap is just that, a trap, HOPING that you are doing something wrong. Then they could investigate.

I think you're reaching on this one.