Won't start??
07-05-2009, 06:46 PM
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Won't start??
So I just got my integrated taillight in the mail. It's got turn signals, and a license plate light on the bottom(for $64 shipped). It only connected to 1 of the 2 taillight connectors, and 1 connection for each blinker( I guess you don't need 3 grounds for one system). So right now I have all these open wires under the seat.
I had the bike electrics on (engine not running) while I cut off the rear fender(somehow no one in my frat house has a flash light so I used the original license plate mount as a flashlight). It took about 15 minutes, but I got the fender off and I shutoff the bike. I come back 5 minutes later to start it up and I hear it turning over, all the electrics work, but its not firing up.
Do I have to do anything with all these extra wires???? or why else wouldn't it suddenly not start?
I had the bike electrics on (engine not running) while I cut off the rear fender(somehow no one in my frat house has a flash light so I used the original license plate mount as a flashlight). It took about 15 minutes, but I got the fender off and I shutoff the bike. I come back 5 minutes later to start it up and I hear it turning over, all the electrics work, but its not firing up.
Do I have to do anything with all these extra wires???? or why else wouldn't it suddenly not start?
07-05-2009, 06:50 PM
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wow
wait until morning when you've got some some light to do a nice thorough job of finding which fuse you popped...
and then redo your hack job and triple check your wiring...
no beer, either...
wait until morning when you've got some some light to do a nice thorough job of finding which fuse you popped...
and then redo your hack job and triple check your wiring...
no beer, either...
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07-05-2009, 08:08 PM
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Engine switch is live,
There were no electronics near what I cut, everything seems to be fine, taillight headlight signals all work. The blinkers are faster now, I guess the light didn't come with resistors.... I noticed the taillight was blinking when I was trying to start it. Besides that, it seems to have plenty of juice to start er up, doesn't seem dull.
I'm still fairly new to the bike, so how would I go about checking if I blew a fuse??
There were no electronics near what I cut, everything seems to be fine, taillight headlight signals all work. The blinkers are faster now, I guess the light didn't come with resistors.... I noticed the taillight was blinking when I was trying to start it. Besides that, it seems to have plenty of juice to start er up, doesn't seem dull.
I'm still fairly new to the bike, so how would I go about checking if I blew a fuse??
07-05-2009, 08:31 PM
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Engine switch is live,
There were no electronics near what I cut, everything seems to be fine, taillight headlight signals all work. The blinkers are faster now, I guess the light didn't come with resistors.... I noticed the taillight was blinking when I was trying to start it. Besides that, it seems to have plenty of juice to start er up, doesn't seem dull.
I'm still fairly new to the bike, so how would I go about checking if I blew a fuse??
There were no electronics near what I cut, everything seems to be fine, taillight headlight signals all work. The blinkers are faster now, I guess the light didn't come with resistors.... I noticed the taillight was blinking when I was trying to start it. Besides that, it seems to have plenty of juice to start er up, doesn't seem dull.
I'm still fairly new to the bike, so how would I go about checking if I blew a fuse??
Again wait till it is light outside so you can see. can you reconnect your old tail and see if it starts putting it back to stock?
But the most likely problem is a fuse. wait.. i hate to be a dick,, but you are drunk at the frat house right and new to the bike? really stupid question but.. by chance in your haste did maybe you not turn off the engine kill switch next to the throttle?
07-05-2009, 08:40 PM
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He says the tail light blinks when cranking ...
That sounds red flag to me.
The next question would involve the blinking rate of the tail light.
Does it flicker at the same rate as the engine starter, varying along with the starters RPM?
Or does it blink a steady rate like a turn signal?
Who is the manufacturer of the light cluster?
Like 5150 suggested, when you are stumped, reverse the installation and see if ignition module starts firing again.
One thing I would try 1st is to connect your old taillight to the open plug and test.
That sounds red flag to me.
The next question would involve the blinking rate of the tail light.
Does it flicker at the same rate as the engine starter, varying along with the starters RPM?
Or does it blink a steady rate like a turn signal?
Who is the manufacturer of the light cluster?
Like 5150 suggested, when you are stumped, reverse the installation and see if ignition module starts firing again.
One thing I would try 1st is to connect your old taillight to the open plug and test.
07-05-2009, 09:06 PM
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i still think he cut into the kill switch some how.. lol 5 more bucks says one of the frat guys knows alot about bikes and pulled a prank on him. took apart the switch and disconnected it or something funny. One time i had a couple frat people working for me. out on a delivery this one frat kid leaves his car running. when he rings the door bell to the customers house he hears his car screetch away. lol. he calls the cops and waits. cops come out and take a report and leave. i tell him i will pick him up at the customers house. while he is waiting inside he looks outside to see if i am there yet and sees his car on the street running door open keys in it. lol turns out his frat brothers are following him around that night because he was known to leave the keys in it. so they thought it would be funny to ****** it. hahaha i was really pissed that night. messed up all my delivery's for a hour plus. but looking back it is funny as hell. they were always doing something crazy like that.
so again plug it all in and make it stock again. if that fails check for the funny guy in the house that knows something about mechanical stuff.
so again plug it all in and make it stock again. if that fails check for the funny guy in the house that knows something about mechanical stuff.
07-05-2009, 09:11 PM
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The taillight blinks along with everything else (headlight etc.) I just noticed that when I first hit the starter I hear a click coming from the tail like the sound the blinkers would make, and then it just flashes. As for the manufacturer, I honestly couldn't tell you. It came in a unmarked box, heres the link to the product.
http://store.racer-union.com/Motorcy...-p4660127.html
In the morning i'll plugin the old taillight and see what happens.
http://store.racer-union.com/Motorcy...-p4660127.html
In the morning i'll plugin the old taillight and see what happens.
He says the tail light blinks when cranking ...
That sounds red flag to me.
The next question would involve the blinking rate of the tail light.
Does it flicker at the same rate as the engine starter, varying along with the starters RPM?
Or does it blink a steady rate like a turn signal?
Who is the manufacturer of the light cluster?
Like 5150 suggested, when you are stumped, reverse the installation and see if ignition module starts firing again.
One thing I would try 1st is to connect your old taillight to the open plug and test.
That sounds red flag to me.
The next question would involve the blinking rate of the tail light.
Does it flicker at the same rate as the engine starter, varying along with the starters RPM?
Or does it blink a steady rate like a turn signal?
Who is the manufacturer of the light cluster?
Like 5150 suggested, when you are stumped, reverse the installation and see if ignition module starts firing again.
One thing I would try 1st is to connect your old taillight to the open plug and test.
07-05-2009, 09:18 PM
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The taillight blinks along with everything else (headlight etc.) I just noticed that when I first hit the starter I hear a click coming from the tail like the sound the blinkers would make, and then it just flashes. As for the manufacturer, I honestly couldn't tell you. It came in a unmarked box, heres the link to the product.
http://store.racer-union.com/Motorcy...-p4660127.html
something is plugged in wrong. this is the directions for the tail light from the manufacture.
1997-2005 HONDA VTR 1000 LED TAIL LIGHT 1998 1999 2000
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Item #: X3_MTL-YJ-HVTR01-C
Condition: New
Compare At: $82.00
Regular Price: $59.00
Sale Price: $45.00 Quantity:
FITMENT:97-05 Honda VTR1000COLOR:ClearSTYLE:L.E.D Tail light (build-in integrated turn signals)
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This is a set of LED tail light. All wiring for the tail light was preassembled for essential plug & play application. The turn signals are built-in integrated, so you can remove your rear turn signal lights. These lights are made by an OE approved and ISO certified manufacturer with the quality meet or exceed all OE standards. This tail light come with bright LED for parking lights (red), brake lights (red), turn signal lights (amber) and license plate light (hyper white). No installation guide included, professional installation is highly recommended.
note the last line? No installation guide included, professional installation is highly recommended.
also CB was asking if the lights pulsed or are they just doing you know normal blinker rate type stuff.. and you replied the head light is flashing too? do you mean from low to high? it is pulsing with the crank over speed? give a little more detail of exactly what it is doing now.
In the morning i'll plugin the old taillight and see what happens.
http://store.racer-union.com/Motorcy...-p4660127.html
something is plugged in wrong. this is the directions for the tail light from the manufacture.
1997-2005 HONDA VTR 1000 LED TAIL LIGHT 1998 1999 2000
[ click for larger image ]
Item #: X3_MTL-YJ-HVTR01-C
Condition: New
Compare At: $82.00
Regular Price: $59.00
Sale Price: $45.00 Quantity:
FITMENT:97-05 Honda VTR1000COLOR:ClearSTYLE:L.E.D Tail light (build-in integrated turn signals)
Details
Specs
Search More Info
Reviews
This is a set of LED tail light. All wiring for the tail light was preassembled for essential plug & play application. The turn signals are built-in integrated, so you can remove your rear turn signal lights. These lights are made by an OE approved and ISO certified manufacturer with the quality meet or exceed all OE standards. This tail light come with bright LED for parking lights (red), brake lights (red), turn signal lights (amber) and license plate light (hyper white). No installation guide included, professional installation is highly recommended.
note the last line? No installation guide included, professional installation is highly recommended.
also CB was asking if the lights pulsed or are they just doing you know normal blinker rate type stuff.. and you replied the head light is flashing too? do you mean from low to high? it is pulsing with the crank over speed? give a little more detail of exactly what it is doing now.
In the morning i'll plugin the old taillight and see what happens.
07-06-2009, 02:19 AM
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Could be a fuse, but the circuit is powered, the ignition converter and wires are just ahead of the taillight, that would be easy to cut the 6 wires pigtail without noticing. The blinking is quite normal under starting, the LEDS may just shut off from the voltage drop and you got paranoid and noticed the starter relay clicking 
Last edited by gboezio; 07-06-2009 at 02:22 AM.
07-06-2009, 08:19 AM
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Ok so this morning I went down old taillight in hand, ready to swap and see. I decided to try one last time to start her up, and 1 crank, the engine turned over and died. So I played with the choke, and it worked. Took her for a ride, no problems, everything is working as it should.
Thanks.
oh and last night I was sober, and I know about kill switches.....
Thanks.
oh and last night I was sober, and I know about kill switches.....
07-07-2009, 03:18 PM
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Ok so this morning I went down old taillight in hand, ready to swap and see. I decided to try one last time to start her up, and 1 crank, the engine turned over and died. So I played with the choke, and it worked. Took her for a ride, no problems, everything is working as it should.
Thanks.
oh and last night I was sober, and I know about kill switches.....
Thanks.
oh and last night I was sober, and I know about kill switches.....
07-10-2009, 11:32 AM
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HAHA I did this the other day and when I figured it out, I tried starting it again and it backfired so loud my neighbor came out of his apartment all mad thinking someone was firing a gun... my ears are still ringing
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