Finally right!
01-25-2010, 07:54 PM
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Finally right!
So, anyone want to guess what the big issue was? I know most of you already have but umm............The diaphram on the front cylinder (carb slide) was not even in place correctly. It's raining now so I could hardly test ride it but I CAN tell you, the power is there now! 8541Hawk came to my house, pulled the carbs and viola. I have to say it's nice to have someone that's been into this particular bike willing to help. He did a lot in a short period. Removed all the smog (Ca. bike), pair mod, carb sinc, needle shim, reset TPS and on and on. Go ahead, tell me how I shouldn't have removed the smog. Any of you seen a CA. bike with that coffee can hanging off the front, preventing any form of lower fairing mod and just looking plain ugly!? Besides, the simplicity created by removing about 20 feet of hose seems worth it. I'm really grateful and I'll share my smiles when the road is dry.
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01-25-2010, 10:33 PM
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VTS, as you may or may not know, I got the bike for $1,500.00 with 1,430 miles on it. After 30 miles............BANG, clunk, clunk, clunk! Broken valve, ruined piston etc. You probably know most of the story from then on. Bottom line, My $1500 hawk is now a $4k hawk, It's not going anywhere for a long, long time.
01-25-2010, 11:55 PM
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Well glad I could help. While the cam timing was done by someone with a bit of experience, they let Buba put the carbs and the airbox back on. Not only was the diaphragm not installed correctly on the front carb, the isolator wasn't tightened down and also they managed to loose the o ring for between the airbox and the carbs.
All is well now and a little fine tuning will have the bike running fine.
All is well now and a little fine tuning will have the bike running fine.
01-26-2010, 05:35 AM
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Sooo... What about the freekin shop? It's great you got the bike sorted, but it seems to me the shop owes you some cash. I got screwed by a shop a few years back so I'm sensitive to this.
Are you going back to let them know what happenned? To bad you didn't take pics.
Are you going back to let them know what happenned? To bad you didn't take pics.
01-26-2010, 08:32 AM
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Steve Bis 1, the main issue (diaphram off) had nothing to do with the shop. I will definately be going in to talk to them. I'm going to casually ask the mechanic if "he" put it back together or if bubba did the grunt work. The details were rushed through. Stacks reversed, carbs not tightened properly, gasket mising on one carb to aibox. That part is just sad though, even some of that may have been the "friend" I had manually clean the carbs. I will also be having a chat with him about the diaphram placement. I'm stoked to see what it is supposed to feel like! I also got a good feel for the "quality" of work out there.
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01-26-2010, 12:52 PM
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Way to represent, 8541!
Putting the diaphragm back in is not difficult, but you do have to pay attention that the rim is seated in the groove.
In fact, nothing about working on these bikes is difficult. But you can sure F#$k it up, if you aren't mindful of the details.
Just like everything else.
Putting the diaphragm back in is not difficult, but you do have to pay attention that the rim is seated in the groove.
In fact, nothing about working on these bikes is difficult. But you can sure F#$k it up, if you aren't mindful of the details.
Just like everything else.
01-26-2010, 01:32 PM
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Way to represent, 8541!
Putting the diaphragm back in is not difficult, but you do have to pay attention that the rim is seated in the groove.
In fact, nothing about working on these bikes is difficult. But you can sure F#$k it up, if you aren't mindful of the details.
Just like everything else.
Putting the diaphragm back in is not difficult, but you do have to pay attention that the rim is seated in the groove.
In fact, nothing about working on these bikes is difficult. But you can sure F#$k it up, if you aren't mindful of the details.
Just like everything else.
01-26-2010, 01:42 PM
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01-26-2010, 01:44 PM
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When I shimmed my needles, I found that using a screwdriver to prop up the slide about half way kept the lip in the groove during assembly. It took me a couple tries to figure that one.
Sounds like you owe a case of beer, at least, to 8541hawk. That was several hundred dollars worth of work at a shop.
Sounds like you owe a case of beer, at least, to 8541hawk. That was several hundred dollars worth of work at a shop.
01-26-2010, 02:28 PM
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glad to hear about your bike.this forum is like a good drug its addicting can't stay off of it.but let me ask this question to the forum 8541hawk was kind enough to go and help.how would another hawker in need get that kind of help in his state?
01-26-2010, 03:01 PM
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When I shimmed my needles, I found that using a screwdriver to prop up the slide about half way kept the lip in the groove during assembly. It took me a couple tries to figure that one.
Sounds like you owe a case of beer, at least, to 8541hawk. That was several hundred dollars worth of work at a shop.
Sounds like you owe a case of beer, at least, to 8541hawk. That was several hundred dollars worth of work at a shop.
01-26-2010, 03:27 PM
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Hey guys, I wanted to ask a "blanket" question of y'all. Do all of your hawks have, what I can only describe as, the sound of a valve ticking or something like that? I am real paranoid because of what happened last time I heard a noise! How much noise is normal?
01-26-2010, 04:10 PM
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Have fun riding!
01-26-2010, 07:07 PM
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It is a fairly noisy engine.. But without hearing it, it's hard to know if you are talking about a normal noise or not. That's part of why I went with APE ccts, they won't fail, the valvetrain may get noisy but it won't let the valves get personal with the pistons.
01-27-2010, 05:45 PM
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Someone said (to someone else) start the bike and adjust the APEs till the noise goes away. Is this adviseable?
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01-27-2010, 05:48 PM
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It's probably a bit loose from what you are describing, and adjusting the APEs will probably make it go away. (again probably)
But one nice thing with Apes, because they don't move on you.. You are not risking much leaving them where they are. Yes I would try to meet up with another SH to hear it, and if you need it adjust it. But till then I would also feel fine riding it with APEs ticking whereas I would not feel comfortable with OEMs not ticking. LOL.
This is just me though, a non mechanic giving his own opinion.
But one nice thing with Apes, because they don't move on you.. You are not risking much leaving them where they are. Yes I would try to meet up with another SH to hear it, and if you need it adjust it. But till then I would also feel fine riding it with APEs ticking whereas I would not feel comfortable with OEMs not ticking. LOL.
This is just me though, a non mechanic giving his own opinion.
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