Nope... Not really... My defenition is a bit more simplistic... If the gun is mainly useful for hunting, it's a rifle... If it's usefull while sitting in the gunturret of an APC while under fire (I have been there) it's an assault gun...

A band fed machinegun definelty qualifies as useful in the gunturret... And completely useless while hunting...

 

I love guns.

So does this Ozzie guy.

This vid always makes me smile.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

I dedicate the second half of the vid to Tweety!

 

I have read most of those sources... They are to me very nice historical documents, and like I said earlier, the ideals behind the US are great... The actual reality is a bit more dented around the corners though...

The actual law is as relevant as the one still on the books in Paris, France prohibiting females to wear trousers "as they are sexually provocative"...
It was written by well meaning men in another time that didn't know anything about the world today...

The law you guys cherish was written when the populace was armed with a rifle, and the most armies was equipped with an rifle for every man, and a machinegun and cannon for each larger detachment... The reason was to balance the power... Now if you really, really like to implement the reasons for that law, it should mean that since you are dissatisfied with your governement you should take said rifle and go to Washington and start a revolution... It's your right, the same as bearing arms... Infact it's actually your duty...

The reality is a bit different though... The Army nowadays operate with large tanks, airplanes and other fun toys... It would take them more time to realize you where revolting than to actually kill you, regardless of how many weapons you own... It's a bit hard to carry all of them with you as you charge the capital too perhaps?

 

You know... I didn't quite realize HOW ridiculous your laws was... Thanks for that tidbit of scary information...

 

You know... I actually like you most days...
But now you are being a bit ridiculous... You want to be part of a grown up conversation? If not... Well... mayby I should just treat you the age you are acting? (If memory serves you are older than me?)

BTW... I do like guns... given the right setting... And that video also makes me smile... But then I remember a few reasons not to like guns...

 

Military aimed weapon... That any better?

I'm not particular about the word for it... I have issues with the use though...

 

Nope... The dear or black bear won't know the difference... Neither will they shoot back... Which is the reason for the amount of rounds in the clip and the rate you can fire with that gun with virtually no practice...

The AG42's are a rather poor hunting weapon... But yeah they will do in pinch... I really don't believe the G3 was aimed for hunting... But yeah it works...

But since I answeared your questions... How about you anwear this...

What are you then going to hunt with the Uzi, machine gun and 9mm Beretta? Yeah, you could probably kill a black bear with them, but you'd be plain nut's to get with in range for the Uzi or the Beretta... And the dear might be hard to cook if you use the machine gun... Meat ***** perhaps...

 

According to this article six percent of Swedish girls are raped every year.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/26416

Apparently being blonde is an enticement to rapists.


Here is a video link where firemen explain (albeit subtitled) why they are afraid to travel certain roads or go into certain neighborhoods. No enclaves of Muslims or Sharia law you say? One of your proud immigrants states emphatically that the police rule ends in their neighborhood.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...on-that-s.html

It's OK Tweety, we have Constitutional issues with immigrants (legal and illegal) as well. We have all sorts of problems as does your country treating others well when they refuse to obey the law of the land and somehow think they can set up an autonomous society within the borders of our country. The only ones that I know of that are allowed to do that in our country are the Native Americans and they are not completely autonomous due to government meddling. Your country is merely experiencing the same problems that the rest of Europe faces with their Muslim immigrant population. The French have problems, the British, the Germans, just about every country where they have been allowed to immigrate in numbers. The one theme that seems to be consistent with them is that they "feel excluded". When you don't work to assimilate yourself into the population how could you feel anything but excluded?

 

CRIMINALS!

 

I have an Assault Pencil, and an Assault thumbtack near me as well...I can assault your *** with either one and you won't walk away. I take issue with the use of either, but what cha gonna do... it is what it is...If ya don't like something, walk the **** away...But don't try and trample on my rights, or I may have to use the pencil or the thumbtack, and I can guarantee you will be begging for the "Assault Rifle".....


Note, the use of the words "yours" and "you" in the above statement is in no way shape or form an attack on, nor am I referencing Tweety. It is merely a general statement to anyone that would try and tread on me!

 

You know... You are a bit scatterbrained aren't you...? What does the rape statistic have to do with any of the other discussion?

And BTW... If you read any further on the site you are referring to, it pretty clearly that they are opposed to immigration as a whole... again... Not the best of sources... I have no idea where they got the statistics from, but I highly doubt the 6% is accurate... As said before on statistics, you can prove about anything...

The last officially publicized statistic on rape conducted in public schools in Sweden, by a government facility no less defined rape as consensual sex where the female after the act regretted it... That survey had "rape" at 45%... And by that definition there would be a lot of rapists both in Sweden and in the US... With that definition it's more surprising how low the number was...

BTW out of curiosity, what are the rape statistics in the US... as a reference...

As for the "feeling outside"... Yep, agreed... If you try to be outside community, surprise... You feel left out...

BTW... Unfortunately I couldn't find a link to a video showing a moment where a lot of the people in Rosengård actually realized the consequences of having their kids pelt the firemen with rocks... One of their staged fires got a bit out of hand and one of the houses burnt like a torch... Unfortunately the fire department had at that point issued a standing order not to go in to that place in particular without backup from the police, who had earlier that day had one car set on fire... They where not going in... So the video shows the little brats asking the police and firemen for help... The response was kind of expected... They expected a trap and waited it out, mostly theses small staged fires burned themselves out... Some minutes later the roof catches fire and police and firemen move in, mostly to douse other nearby buildings with water too keep it from spreading as the house by now is beyond saving... And no, none of the insurance claims in that fire was payed out...

 

Can I get you to thumbtack me some land down around Lake Buchannon or near Burnet? Not really fond of the Hideaway Lake area or Lake Travis. Too many people for me to shoot guns! Great golf course in Burnet too, stay out of the rough, it has cactus.

 

Just perusing some of the lesser popular reports I suppose to demonstrate that your country has the same issues as any other you would criticize.

Does the statement on immigration make it any less believeable? Statistics can be manufactured from any number, true or not. Who is to say?

I woke up with an ugly woman the next day and I completely regretted the act. Was I raped? Nah, I was drunk, so I chewed my arm off and got out of there!

Wow we agree on something. There is common ground. Let's talk about bikes now.

 

You should really, really read all I posted in this thread... Better yet, you should have read it before starting to post...

Nope... Now I'm going to go to sleep...

See you around...

 

Take care and ride safe because people don't drive safe.

 

I'm having a hard time understanding your mindset.

Here's why I cited you to the second half of that video;

In a free society a good citizen should own whatever weapons they wish, with no more justification than the fact that doing so gives them pleasure and satisfaction. If they are a good person, not a criminal, not insane etc., what business is it of yours?

If you feel comfortable and trust your neighbor to own firearms at all, why would you care how many or what kind?

And if you DON'T trust your neighbor with firearms, would you rather he have an old 6.5X55 Carl Gustav with a scope than an Uzi? I'd be more scared of the guy with the 100 year old Mauser!

How you all do it in Sweden is none of my business. The U.S. is a constitutionally guaranteed armed society for political reasons, not just for hunting.

The right to own militia (aka "military") weapons is hard wired into our Constitution. Tens of millions of Americans do. Only a tiny percentage of "gun crimes" are committed with such weapons so I don't understand why folks get excited about them.

 

You are missing the point... I have no issue with your "assault rifles"... I have issues with a 9mm handgun as it's easily concealed... I have issues with the mere concept of a private citizen owning a machine gun (the big band-fed type)

I have issues with the law abiding citizens blindly opposing to having their guns registered... Mine are registered in a working system, none have taken them away, nor will they... You could have all the guns you want in Sweden... It's not a problem... (You cannot however own any what so ever fully automatic guns, nor any handguns except dedicated to range shooting, and even then only a very tightly regulated number...)

So why are you unable to have your legal weapons registered, which would making the illegal ones that much easier to weed out, a slow process, but a neccesary one... It's not becuase you are unable to cordinate it... It's because you let the loudest people win...

 

Another thing Tweety;

I like you every day, even today.

I'm trying to explain to you the American right to keep and bear arms and have a bit of fun along the way. I'm not sure why you think I'm being immature and I haven't been intending any offense or insult either.

 

Because they watch liberal biased media programs that extoll the virtues of a socialist society and swallow everything that is fed to them.

I sure don't have any inclination to take my $1500.00 (with accessories) DPMS LR-308 down the street to bust a cap in the butt of some local crack-head for a little of his merchandise. Responsible gun owners, yes even people who own the liberal media dubbed "evil black rifles" don't have a unnatural desire to light up the street or law enforcement authorities with an awesome display of firepower. Criminals on the other hand don't think that way which is why when you regulate firearms of any type and remove them from the hands of responsible owners, the only ones left with them are the criminals. Criminals love unarmed victims. Registration of guns is the FIRST step in removal.

Join the NRA!

 

Living in California, most of my handguns (the ones purchased after the law change in 1990-something) are registered but I can't for the life of me see what good that does anybody.

If I was a criminal I certainly wouldn't use a gun registered to me.

And if someone stole one of my handguns, committed a murder and threw the gun away, even if the police found it, what would they know? A gun i reported stolen was found in the woods or a trash can? So what?

 

Wow, I never thought it'd turn into this. Some very interesting, heated discussion here. Nevertheless, the classified ad stands.

Anyone wanna buy a shotgun? Remington 12ga., synthetic stock, used very little, mostly on 4th of July....



Just kidding.

 

LOL

 

I was gonna say that this is the most exciting thread we have had on here in awhile. Must be cabin fever.

 

Just because the bully is bigger and stronger than you, that means you never fight back right?

Armed resistance is a last resort, as to when we have reached that level of reality is up to debate. But it is a valid form of governmental change, it still happens today. Do we want to try everything else first? (voting, protesting etc) Yes of course. But does that mean we give up the tools for a last resort? no

My view is the we have a great bill of rights that are a standard world wide. These are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. The 2nd is the one that gets criticized all the time.. But it is the 2nd one that gives the other 9 teeth. Without the theoretical ability to defend it, the bill of rights, our personal rights, and the rights of others are just ink on paper and might as well be Rorschach Inkblots. (paper doesn't accomplish much)

Indeed

As for your fear of handguns. I say that they are no more or less valid tools than rifles. I have lived in countries where civilian firearm ownership was 100% illegal. Yet there were way more criminal shootings per capita than in the USA. (admittedly it was during a civil war in that country) And I have seen with my own eyes a (illegal - in that country) handgun save lives.

The tool is not the problem, even if the tool is small and powerful.

 

Jeez, everything turns into this lately. Let me guess - it's an 870?

 

IN response to the crazy flockers in the US. What do you care? The crazy ones you are worried about kill american citizens, if any at all. And the ones you think are good and will save the earth and make laws that grow flowers and bees and the other horse crap are the ones that are "raping and pillaging" the world. Do you really think that the government of the US, who listen to nothing and no one will create laws in the interest of the people?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

And as for assault weapons, if I was going to shoot a man, I would use the weapon that has been designed for ultimate killing power, uncompromised expansion of the round, and extreme precision. Welcome to hunting rifles! If I was a politician, or a sniveling liberal biotch, that would be the guns that I would fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZagT...eature=related

Or maybe a shotgun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbACiga-fqo


Sell what you want here, **** plugs, motorcycles, guns. I really couldn't give a crap. When it comes down to who you should trust and who you shouldn't, trust the american people, don't trust the government.

 

Can I just say: Amen

 

From a Canadian point of view this has been very entertaining but can't we all just get along

 

Just because a gun is designed for shooting animals, doesn't stop anyone from shooting people with them, so why are they legal but not "assault weapons" ? I have a hunting rifle that can do far more damage at longer range than my AR15. but the the hunting rifle is somehow safer or better for the population? My legal machete, is way more menacing and dangerous than an illegal switchblade. but its allowed????? God I hate the lack of common sense in Liberals.

This is pointless to argue. arrrghhh!

 

I see no one just went with my initial comment. rofl at forums! once used for information now used for debate.