How to haul a bike
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So I'm headed across the state to pick up my bike from my moms and about half way she calls and says that the weather is going bad and its going to be about 30* for the next several days... So I had to either ride it home 5 hours or come up with something else so here's what I came up with
Attachment 16734 Attachment 16733 I'm headed back in the morning so hopefully I don't get pulled over or anything Fingers crossed |
WOW, I must say this is quite creative. How did it tow? I am impressed. :trailerin:
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Ill find out tomorrow but its way over built so it should go well. The car already had a hitch and all the material was laying around the farm so no money out of pocket either
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Yeah, very creative way to get it done! Only thing I would check on, is some states require a flag attached to anything extending four feet or more past the rear of the vehicle. But, not sure if that applies to a motorcycle being towed?
If it was me, I would just wing it, but if you were worried about the cops, swing through your local Homeboy Depot and grab a free flag...or use a red bandana if you have one, pretty much anything red really. |
You should have built it so it leans into the turns. :)
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Might need to remove the chain so that the transmission shaft is not turning when the oil pump is not operating?
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Nice! Love low buck creative solutions like this.
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Nice looking SH... but I dunno, I think I would have rented a U-Haul trailer.
That may work really well, but I'd spend the whole drive looking in the mirror, afraid the bike was going to fall off. Not that looking in the mirror would help, but that wouldn't stop me from doing it anyway. |
Well I'm about 2 hours away from home and its been working great so far I wish I had thought of this last year
I thought about taking the chain off but didn't get around to it... Thanks for the complements |
Might have to start making these.
On a side note no police attention so far :) |
Great fast way to get that bike on the road!
This type of hauling isn't exactly new and certainly not harmful or dangerous as far as I know... They sell kits to haul bikes in a similar fashion with the front wheel still attached. Granted, not as cool as a home build version... http://www.ourlocalguide.com/trailer...ndian-300W.jpg So I would assume they're pretty legal and relatively harmless to the motorcycle. |
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Almost there bike still secure and my daughter playing fruit ninla
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Actually if you don't remove the chain it is harmful to the bike. Without the oil pump running its not that great for the transmission. you are heating up the oil in the bike and it isn't getting cooled because it's not getting into the oil cooler, nor is it getting cleaned by the filter so you can end up with metal shavings in the oil that create even more metal shavings until you have sandpaper in the bottom end of the engine.
At the very least if you did not remove your chain you need to drain and swap your oil as 1) it may be dirty now and 2) it may be a little burnt/brokedown now. Of course it could be fine as well, but I wouldn't want to risk my engine for $20 worth of oil |
I already have the oil and am planning on changing it b4 I ride
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Originally Posted by JayTea
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I already have the oil and am planning on changing it b4 I ride
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Out of curiosity, how much does the oil heat up in a situation like this? It's not getting cooled by the filter, but it's also not getting heated by a thousand 500cc explosions per minute. Just thinking out loud.
The metal shavings make sense somewhat, but aren't those immediately filtered out once you start the bike and therefore the pump and filter? It doesn't seem like they're less filtered than when it's running for those miles, just not dumping fresh oil on the tranny specifically. I'm not refuting you to be an asshole, just genuinely curious. How how is your oil pan, JayTea? |
Originally Posted by 7moore7
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Out of curiosity, how much does the oil heat up in a situation like this? It's not getting cooled by the filter, but it's also not getting heated by a thousand 500cc explosions per minute. Just thinking out loud.
The metal shavings make sense somewhat, but aren't those immediately filtered out once you start the bike and therefore the pump and filter? It doesn't seem like they're less filtered than when it's running for those miles, just not dumping fresh oil on the tranny specifically. I'm not refuting you to be an asshole, just genuinely curious. How how is your oil pan, JayTea? While I don't think doing this for a short trip are particularly harmful or abusive, I've also seen transmissions that grenaded while being towed like this. I don't know how the transmission was treated before hand or if there was a pre-existing problem with it before hand, just that I've helped replace gears afterwords on a GSX600 Kanoftuna (Bike was just purchased, test rode fine, brought home this way across maryland and pensylvania to NY and transmission was fubared when we got home, oil was very sparkly) |
That settles it. The only solution would to turn the bike on so the cooling and pumping systems all work. And in that case, you probably need a person on the bike to hold the throttle at 3krpm and a little TV in front of them to play through different track levels like that game at Dave & Buster's.
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I didn't get a chance to check when I got home just passed out but if I have to do this again I will slide the axel forward enought to get the chain off the sprocket and ziptie it out of the way
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So how should I change the oil? I've always gotten vehicles up to tempature so the oil thins and drains all the way but I don't want to risk damaging anything by running it possibly having an unsafe amount of metal in the oil?
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You could tow it for 10 miles and have the oil heat itself up! Or toss some candles under the oil pan!
But don't actually do those things... |
I normally use 1/4 of a quart of clean oil in my bike and drain again to get the last little bit out of the bottom. Remember if the bike has been sitting a while all the garbage will settle to the bottom. A magnetic drain plug helps this as well
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See, that would have been my view all the way home, oblivious to what is happening in front of me, only looking at the bike and listening to Fruit Ninja!
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...0224-00093-jpg |
Man love the creativity, but if it was me I would of either rented a trailer or borrowed one. I purched my bike only 30 or so miles from home and had my buddy go with me that has a trailer designed for hauling bikes because his bikes are not street legal (race bikes). I was nervous riding her home because it had been 10 years since the last time I owned a bike when I bought my hawk and from there to my house its all freeway that is very busy.
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Originally Posted by Appletonhawk
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Man love the creativity, but if it was me I would of either rented a trailer or borrowed one. I purched my bike only 30 or so miles from home and had my buddy go with me that has a trailer designed for hauling bikes because his bikes are not street legal (race bikes). I was nervous riding her home because it had been 10 years since the last time I owned a bike when I bought my hawk and from there to my house its all freeway that is very busy.
I don't ever like to ride a new bike home. I couldn't say why. Maybe just because I like to get used to it on the familiar roads at home |
Just as Insulinboy postulates that towing with the chain on is harmful, I would suggest it is not. Only the transmission is turning. I'm not sure if it has oil bathing it or not but it doesn't generate heat.
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Depends on whether the spinning shaft is lubricated by pressure or splash. Looking at the drawings, I think it's splash.
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Man, very creative and good injunuity but if I were there I would've tried to talk you out of it. At the least I would have put tie downs on the bars to stabilize.
The forks werent meant for lateral loads and it just doesnt quite look safe. I guess cuz I have seen so many bikes fall off those fork bottom stands. |
Looks to me like his tow framis replaces the front wheel with the axle holding the bike in place. No way it could fall off unless the axle were to fall out and that's not likely. If you put tie downs on it, that wouldn't allow the bike to lean when the car turns causing mucho tweakage.
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Originally Posted by VTR1000F
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If you put tie downs on it, that wouldn't allow the bike to lean when the car turns causing mucho tweakage.
20mph would have been better, but remember, young kids don't have the long legs necessary to run that fast. So, where was I...oh yeah, so she would hold the bike while he got the car up to speed, then with a mighty leap, launch herself into the back seat. A game of Fruit Ninja was her reward. Stopping on the other hand... |
Actually, "lean" was probably simplistic phrasing. The bike would effectively lean away from the direction of the turn like a ship rather than lean into it like a boat. Or a bike. Even though the forks remain in the same plane for the most part, the axis of the rest of the bike would shift in a turn. Doesn't seem like it would put undue stress on anything unless you turned tight circles over and over. Can't be as bad as hard breaking.
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1) Tie downs would simply triangulate the front end, stabilizing it. The rear would be unaffected and the bike isnt leaning with a solidly mounted fork
2) The wheels gyroscopic force is what stabilizes the bike. Look at the front wheel carrier that is marketed to the public. It uses tie downs like every racer and bike transporter has always used. Glad you got the bike home. |
Originally Posted by smokinjoe73
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1) Tie downs would simply triangulate the front end, stabilizing it. The rear would be unaffected and the bike isnt leaning with a solidly mounted fork
Look at the front wheel carrier that is marketed to the public. It uses tie downs like every racer and bike transporter has always used. Similar to bicycle racks... the ones that lock through the axle don't need handlebar tie downs, but the ones that just lock the front wheel in do |
Originally Posted by VTR1000F
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Looks to me like his tow framis replaces the front wheel with the axle holding the bike in place. No way it could fall off unless the axle were to fall out and that's not likely. If you put tie downs on it, that wouldn't allow the bike to lean when the car turns causing mucho tweakage.
The bike cannot lean. The front axle is being held horizontal to the car. So as the car sways, the bike will too... probably not a huge concern. The only independent bike movement will be aft of the steering head, where the bike can pivot to follow and track. |
Originally Posted by FTL900
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The bike cannot lean.
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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73
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1) Tie downs would simply triangulate the front end, stabilizing it. The rear would be unaffected and the bike isnt leaning with a solidly mounted fork
2) The wheels gyroscopic force is what stabilizes the bike. Look at the front wheel carrier that is marketed to the public. It uses tie downs like every racer and bike transporter has always used. As I said, "lean" was a simplistic way to put it. However, if the car turns, the fork turns with it and, since the fork is angled back, the frame of the bike will not remain perpendicular to the pavement. It would, effectively, "lean" away from the direction of the turn. Kind of like countersteering in reverse. Oops, there I said it, "countersteering". If that doesn't get the "discussion" going, then how about this: 2) Depends on what you mean by "stabilizes". |
Well everything turned out working great no problems with the but I will remove the chain next time.
I was counting on the front springs to keep it upright the axle was a perfect fit with the hitch I made and I made sure it was packed with grease to protect the axle |
Glad to hear you made it and all is well. Has your bike been painted that you are aware of? Your yellow looks lighter than "normal", or maybe that's just the pics.
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Sorry, VTR1000F, I thought you were joking about the "lean". It's hard to tell with your sense of humor sometimes.
I hada a few drinks last night and gyroscopic is the word I meant to type in my little story! It appears VTR, 7 have it figured. But since Mr. Tea (I pitty tha fool) got his bike back safely without issue, I'm assuming this disscusion will keep going untill we figure out what the definition of "Is" is, the meaning of life, why we weren't sucked up into those little black holes at CERN, and if there is time, possibly make some side bets on how long it takes untill Insulinboy posts another reference to the YZF600 (I kid, I kid). |
Ya its been painted it was a track bike at some point and the previous owner converted it back for street use but its still kinda stripped down.. and the meaning of life is whatever you want it to be ;)
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