Disgracing America?
01-17-2008, 09:56 AM
#1
Disgracing America?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
This is disgusting.
I currently serve in the US Navy, and every male in my family has served their country as well. I swore upon my life that I would support the constitution of the United States of America and the freedoms we have, including the freedom of speech and expression. I have an enormous amount of respect for my country and all of the men and women that have done their part in making this country what it is. That being said...
Not only are these people standing in the streets with a megaphone, spitting and stomping on the flag of the country I love, but there are people all over the streets just STANDING there watching it happen.
I believe there should be laws against such protests and treating a flag so covered in blood like that. I don't see any solid evidence that this IS on an american city street, but just the thought of something like that happening ANYWHERE makes my blood absolutely boil.
Where is the love, respect, and pride for our country that we used to have? Why don't people have the ***** to step in to something like this and let these people know how they feel about it? Am I the only one left in this country with that kind of pride? I don't want to think about what I would have done had I been in those streets when this was happening... and I'd like to think that I'm not alone in wanting to rip the spine out of the bastards.
I've signed the papers saying I would give my life to protect this country. Seeing something like this happen and no one giving a damn makes me furious. I'd wrap my hands around their throat in a heartbeat.
This is disgusting.
I currently serve in the US Navy, and every male in my family has served their country as well. I swore upon my life that I would support the constitution of the United States of America and the freedoms we have, including the freedom of speech and expression. I have an enormous amount of respect for my country and all of the men and women that have done their part in making this country what it is. That being said...
Not only are these people standing in the streets with a megaphone, spitting and stomping on the flag of the country I love, but there are people all over the streets just STANDING there watching it happen.
I believe there should be laws against such protests and treating a flag so covered in blood like that. I don't see any solid evidence that this IS on an american city street, but just the thought of something like that happening ANYWHERE makes my blood absolutely boil.
Where is the love, respect, and pride for our country that we used to have? Why don't people have the ***** to step in to something like this and let these people know how they feel about it? Am I the only one left in this country with that kind of pride? I don't want to think about what I would have done had I been in those streets when this was happening... and I'd like to think that I'm not alone in wanting to rip the spine out of the bastards.
I've signed the papers saying I would give my life to protect this country. Seeing something like this happen and no one giving a damn makes me furious. I'd wrap my hands around their throat in a heartbeat.
01-17-2008, 10:25 AM
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The military is just as bad. My brother is currently under investigation for having "questionable" reading material. They searched his car and he has books about the Federal Reserve, Fairtax, pro-second amendment, and stuff like that that he bought at Borders and Amazon.com. He had 6 copies of the constitution that he bought at Fort Benning in his car. They asked him if he was handing out copies of it (The Constitution) and he said "So what if i am?!". They then told him that the reading materials he had was subversive to Army doctrine. He said how the **** is the Constitution subversive. They told him it was troubling he would have so many copies of it, and they have been grilling him for 2 weeks about his books. They said they believe that he is a recruiter for a white supremacist group. He asked them how the **** do they figure? They have no answer, other than "your reading habits certainly are questionable". They confiscated his ipod and books. The CID Captain has called me a few times and asked me if my brother is a recruiter for white supremacists..... What happened to our country indeed.
Frankly, when i was talking to the Captain and the Sgt. that was his "witness" on the phone, I was getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. It is SCARY as hell to me that you can have a CID file opened on you for reading books. I thought my brother wasnt telling me the whole story, but he was, because i was asking loaded questions. They even confiscated his copy of "I am America! (and so can you!)" ...a friggin' Stephen Colbert (comedian) book, that i bought him for christmas. They are completely clueless and it burns my ***. This has the potential to totally **** him for the rest of his life. It sounds to me they already have their mind made up. He told them yesterday "Im tired of talking ot you about this. Im being honest with you and you keep telling me im lying. Just do what youre going to do and get it over with, I dont care anymore. I would rather have nothing to do with the Army at this point."
I served in the Air Force while I was an undergraduate, My father was a Marine officer for 26 years. One Grandfather was a Sgt. in the Marines in WWII, the other was a Colonel in the Air Force. All my brother ever wanted to do was continue this tradition, and he was doing a fine job. He is (was?) a Ranger Medic, and he elected to go to SWIC. He was working as an EMT in Savannah making over twice the money he is making in the military. He chose to go to the military as he felt it was his duty.....and for him to be treated like this (for BOOKS) makes me literally sick to my stomach and scares the living **** out of me. I told him he should give them a copy of 1984. It just goes to prove what my dad told me when i enlisted..."If youre married to the military, youre married to a *****".
It is my opinion that the United States will not exist in the next 30 years. We have reached a point of no return in every facet of our society. We are far too fucked up to continue to function for much longer. If we make it 30 more years....God owes Sodom and Gomorrah a huge apology.
AMERICANS disgrace America. Its just a word now, and it is no longer an ideal or principle or standard.
Sorry to steal your rant, man....this has just been bothering the **** out of me and your post just kinda was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Frankly, when i was talking to the Captain and the Sgt. that was his "witness" on the phone, I was getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. It is SCARY as hell to me that you can have a CID file opened on you for reading books. I thought my brother wasnt telling me the whole story, but he was, because i was asking loaded questions. They even confiscated his copy of "I am America! (and so can you!)" ...a friggin' Stephen Colbert (comedian) book, that i bought him for christmas. They are completely clueless and it burns my ***. This has the potential to totally **** him for the rest of his life. It sounds to me they already have their mind made up. He told them yesterday "Im tired of talking ot you about this. Im being honest with you and you keep telling me im lying. Just do what youre going to do and get it over with, I dont care anymore. I would rather have nothing to do with the Army at this point."
I served in the Air Force while I was an undergraduate, My father was a Marine officer for 26 years. One Grandfather was a Sgt. in the Marines in WWII, the other was a Colonel in the Air Force. All my brother ever wanted to do was continue this tradition, and he was doing a fine job. He is (was?) a Ranger Medic, and he elected to go to SWIC. He was working as an EMT in Savannah making over twice the money he is making in the military. He chose to go to the military as he felt it was his duty.....and for him to be treated like this (for BOOKS) makes me literally sick to my stomach and scares the living **** out of me. I told him he should give them a copy of 1984. It just goes to prove what my dad told me when i enlisted..."If youre married to the military, youre married to a *****".
It is my opinion that the United States will not exist in the next 30 years. We have reached a point of no return in every facet of our society. We are far too fucked up to continue to function for much longer. If we make it 30 more years....God owes Sodom and Gomorrah a huge apology.
AMERICANS disgrace America. Its just a word now, and it is no longer an ideal or principle or standard.
Sorry to steal your rant, man....this has just been bothering the **** out of me and your post just kinda was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Last edited by Condor; 01-17-2008 at 10:40 AM.
01-17-2008, 10:43 AM
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The people are just walking by and not responding 'cause they don't want the liberal New World Order **** bag named George Bush, and his "Justice Department" to charge them with a "hate crime" and send them to federal prison for 20 years. Family values, MS13 and Al Quada don't stop at the Rio Grande. Islam is the religion of peace. They're just doing the work Americans won't do. That's why the Bush State Department gave a record number of permanent residency visas to ragheads last year.
01-17-2008, 10:53 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
This is disgusting.
I currently serve in the US Navy, and every male in my family has served their country as well. I swore upon my life that I would support the constitution of the United States of America and the freedoms we have, including the freedom of speech and expression. I have an enormous amount of respect for my country and all of the men and women that have done their part in making this country what it is. That being said...
Not only are these people standing in the streets with a megaphone, spitting and stomping on the flag of the country I love, but there are people all over the streets just STANDING there watching it happen.
I believe there should be laws against such protests and treating a flag so covered in blood like that. I don't see any solid evidence that this IS on an american city street, but just the thought of something like that happening ANYWHERE makes my blood absolutely boil.
Where is the love, respect, and pride for our country that we used to have? Why don't people have the ***** to step in to something like this and let these people know how they feel about it? Am I the only one left in this country with that kind of pride? I don't want to think about what I would have done had I been in those streets when this was happening... and I'd like to think that I'm not alone in wanting to rip the spine out of the bastards.
I've signed the papers saying I would give my life to protect this country. Seeing something like this happen and no one giving a damn makes me furious. I'd wrap my hands around their throat in a heartbeat.
This is disgusting.
I currently serve in the US Navy, and every male in my family has served their country as well. I swore upon my life that I would support the constitution of the United States of America and the freedoms we have, including the freedom of speech and expression. I have an enormous amount of respect for my country and all of the men and women that have done their part in making this country what it is. That being said...
Not only are these people standing in the streets with a megaphone, spitting and stomping on the flag of the country I love, but there are people all over the streets just STANDING there watching it happen.
I believe there should be laws against such protests and treating a flag so covered in blood like that. I don't see any solid evidence that this IS on an american city street, but just the thought of something like that happening ANYWHERE makes my blood absolutely boil.
Where is the love, respect, and pride for our country that we used to have? Why don't people have the ***** to step in to something like this and let these people know how they feel about it? Am I the only one left in this country with that kind of pride? I don't want to think about what I would have done had I been in those streets when this was happening... and I'd like to think that I'm not alone in wanting to rip the spine out of the bastards.
I've signed the papers saying I would give my life to protect this country. Seeing something like this happen and no one giving a damn makes me furious. I'd wrap my hands around their throat in a heartbeat.
01-17-2008, 11:46 AM
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The people are just walking by and not responding 'cause they don't want the liberal New World Order **** bag named George Bush, and his "Justice Department" to charge them with a "hate crime" and send them to federal prison for 20 years. Family values, MS13 and Al Quada don't stop at the Rio Grande. Islam is the religion of peace. They're just doing the work Americans won't do. That's why the Bush State Department gave a record number of permanent residency visas to ragheads last year.
01-17-2008, 02:41 PM
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This country is going downhill, no doubt about that. It has been for quite a while now. When stuff like this starts happening in our own streets in our own cities we're nearing rock bottom. That doesn't keep me from loving it.
I dont think this video is funny at all. I dont think its funny that so many people have lost their lives so that people can do things like this, and everyone else can laugh about it.
My brother will be in Iraq by the end of the month, and the thought of him possibly dying to protect people like this makes ME sick.
And if these people hate this country so much and want to destroy it, why do they live here and exploit the freedoms this very country is giving them?
01-17-2008, 03:48 PM
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Hey, buddy. I'm USAF and let me tell you military do NOT have the same Constitutional rights as American civilians, especially on base. You oblige by the UCMJ and you sign tons of papers beforehand understanding this voluntarily.
Furthermore, your brother's attitude is what got him investigated, not his reading material. They were just asking and he went postal. If you were a gate-guard, and did your normal, random vehicle search, and found several copies of the constitution lying around and other free-rights paperwork, you'd be a tad suspicious and probably ask just in case. Red flags would go up when your brother freaked-out. He needs to act like a grown-up. I'm ashamed of his actions.. then again, I wasn't there. Still precautions are in place due to extremists. Perhaps for a RAM measure the gate-guards were told to look for fanatical constitutionalists such as extreme liberals or other fringe-political groups who also would have several copies of the constitution as backup of their rights for that day. Gimme a break.
Furthermore, your brother's attitude is what got him investigated, not his reading material. They were just asking and he went postal. If you were a gate-guard, and did your normal, random vehicle search, and found several copies of the constitution lying around and other free-rights paperwork, you'd be a tad suspicious and probably ask just in case. Red flags would go up when your brother freaked-out. He needs to act like a grown-up. I'm ashamed of his actions.. then again, I wasn't there. Still precautions are in place due to extremists. Perhaps for a RAM measure the gate-guards were told to look for fanatical constitutionalists such as extreme liberals or other fringe-political groups who also would have several copies of the constitution as backup of their rights for that day. Gimme a break.
01-17-2008, 03:55 PM
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Pride!
Being a Brit...born in the UK...came here about 20 years ago.....Now a US citizen.
I find myself defending both countries actions, I can't agree more with what some of the people have stated here, if these people believe the USA is such a bad place then they are free to leave? There are many countries in this world which that choice is not an option?
You may not agree with the policy or direction Amercia has choosen to take.....But is this really the right way to approach this????.....NO it is not.....
I find myself defending both countries actions, I can't agree more with what some of the people have stated here, if these people believe the USA is such a bad place then they are free to leave? There are many countries in this world which that choice is not an option?
You may not agree with the policy or direction Amercia has choosen to take.....But is this really the right way to approach this????.....NO it is not.....
01-17-2008, 04:11 PM
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Our Military is still voluntary isn't it? I know, I was there... I however would not do it again!! Not for this or any other country...sorry, that is my opinion...Of course you won't see me burning any flags, or protesting over the fucked up direction this country has been heading in for wwwwway too many years now...And yes I mean after Regan, the last great president we had....
I will take care of myself, and my own...
I will take care of myself, and my own...
01-17-2008, 05:47 PM
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Hey All,
I was turned down by the Army because I have a pre existing medical condition. Asthma. I was all broken up about it when they said "Sorry, can't take you.". I love my country and would happily die to protect it.
That being said, cognitive dissonance is American. Burning flags, protesting, raising hell, and being pissed off about something (important) is as American as it gets. As a matter of fact, there is alot to be pissed off about. Dude, our health care system SUCKS! That of course is another thread altogether... but yeah... plenty to be pissed off about.
Even then, I feel that there is a certain amount of Apathy (at least in Los Angeles) in the air regarding such important matters. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with with burning flags and burning effogies, but I don't have to like it, I just have to accept it because that's what being an American is all about, and I support that.
KG
I was turned down by the Army because I have a pre existing medical condition. Asthma. I was all broken up about it when they said "Sorry, can't take you.". I love my country and would happily die to protect it.
That being said, cognitive dissonance is American. Burning flags, protesting, raising hell, and being pissed off about something (important) is as American as it gets. As a matter of fact, there is alot to be pissed off about. Dude, our health care system SUCKS! That of course is another thread altogether... but yeah... plenty to be pissed off about.
Even then, I feel that there is a certain amount of Apathy (at least in Los Angeles) in the air regarding such important matters. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with with burning flags and burning effogies, but I don't have to like it, I just have to accept it because that's what being an American is all about, and I support that.
KG
01-17-2008, 06:12 PM
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Our Military is still voluntary isn't it? I know, I was there... I however would not do it again!! Not for this or any other country...sorry, that is my opinion...Of course you won't see me burning any flags, or protesting over the fucked up direction this country has been heading in for wwwwway too many years now...And yes I mean after Regan, the last great president we had....
I will take care of myself, and my own...
I will take care of myself, and my own...
Exactly. It's not worth it anymore. why would i die to protect a country that is rotting from within. nobody even appreciates it. I served my time, and if i had it to do again, i wouldnt. I actually dont know why anyone would anymore. God bless them anyway.
01-17-2008, 06:48 PM
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Hey, buddy. I'm USAF and let me tell you military do NOT have the same Constitutional rights as American civilians, especially on base. You oblige by the UCMJ and you sign tons of papers beforehand understanding this voluntarily.
Furthermore, your brother's attitude is what got him investigated, not his reading material. They were just asking and he went postal. If you were a gate-guard, and did your normal, random vehicle search, and found several copies of the constitution lying around and other free-rights paperwork, you'd be a tad suspicious and probably ask just in case. Red flags would go up when your brother freaked-out. He needs to act like a grown-up. I'm ashamed of his actions.. then again, I wasn't there. Still precautions are in place due to extremists. Perhaps for a RAM measure the gate-guards were told to look for fanatical constitutionalists such as extreme liberals or other fringe-political groups who also would have several copies of the constitution as backup of their rights for that day. Gimme a break.
Furthermore, your brother's attitude is what got him investigated, not his reading material. They were just asking and he went postal. If you were a gate-guard, and did your normal, random vehicle search, and found several copies of the constitution lying around and other free-rights paperwork, you'd be a tad suspicious and probably ask just in case. Red flags would go up when your brother freaked-out. He needs to act like a grown-up. I'm ashamed of his actions.. then again, I wasn't there. Still precautions are in place due to extremists. Perhaps for a RAM measure the gate-guards were told to look for fanatical constitutionalists such as extreme liberals or other fringe-political groups who also would have several copies of the constitution as backup of their rights for that day. Gimme a break.
Saying "extreme liberal" is not the case. they Think he is an "extreme conservative". if he had "extreme liberal" literature in his possession, this would be a non issue, because they wouldnt care. the point is, the guys that had guns on post got a slap on the wrist, and he is under investigation for BOOKS. Its just the typical thought police knee jerk reaction of anything government.
Its hard for me to respond to you on an intellectual level on this because you basically just said my brother deserves to have his life ruined because he likes to be informed/inquisitive. He hasnt gone to any Natzional Socialistische Arbeits Partei meetings that i am aware of. Oh well.
Hail Victory, Brother!
01-17-2008, 07:01 PM
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Please don't think our country and world are hopeless!
Sure there are some really bad people running the show and lots of corruption,
BUT, It has been our legacy as a country to rise above most adversity. We have done that by pulling together, putting our backs into it, and doing what is right.
"What is right" is the key to that success and we find that in our goodness and morality and duty to family. We as individuals must take responsibility to make sure we put our best thought and prayer into how we can keep a standard of decency in our immediate sphere of influence, and be ready to stand to when action is warranted.
I served in the USAF. I can not begin to describe the respect and honor I have for all of you in active duty. The real Heroes, not the brown-noser paper slugs that are so PC and afraid to think for themselves and are the ones who persecute people like Junocdx.
I ask all of you to keep the faith and know you are appreciated! I will gladly step back up and be there with you if the time comes.
This country is You and Me, We make it what we will.
Sure there are some really bad people running the show and lots of corruption,
BUT, It has been our legacy as a country to rise above most adversity. We have done that by pulling together, putting our backs into it, and doing what is right.
"What is right" is the key to that success and we find that in our goodness and morality and duty to family. We as individuals must take responsibility to make sure we put our best thought and prayer into how we can keep a standard of decency in our immediate sphere of influence, and be ready to stand to when action is warranted.
I served in the USAF. I can not begin to describe the respect and honor I have for all of you in active duty. The real Heroes, not the brown-noser paper slugs that are so PC and afraid to think for themselves and are the ones who persecute people like Junocdx.
I ask all of you to keep the faith and know you are appreciated! I will gladly step back up and be there with you if the time comes.
This country is You and Me, We make it what we will.
01-17-2008, 07:15 PM
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Jim Brosser for President!
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01-17-2008, 07:16 PM
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Holy hell, what's with all you freaking flyboys? I'm impressed that, being a Marine, I can read what we have here in the forum, and you're all talking about 'free-rights paperwork' and books and all. Shiiiiiiit. 
01-17-2008, 07:35 PM
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Please don't think our country and world are hopeless!
Sure there are some really bad people running the show and lots of corruption,
BUT, It has been our legacy as a country to rise above most adversity. We have done that by pulling together, putting our backs into it, and doing what is right.
"What is right" is the key to that success and we find that in our goodness and morality and duty to family. We as individuals must take responsibility to make sure we put our best thought and prayer into how we can keep a standard of decency in our immediate sphere of influence, and be ready to stand to when action is warranted.
I served in the USAF. I can not begin to describe the respect and honor I have for all of you in active duty. The real Heroes, not the brown-noser paper slugs that are so PC and afraid to think for themselves and are the ones who persecute people like Junocdx.
I ask all of you to keep the faith and know you are appreciated! I will gladly step back up and be there with you if the time comes.
This country is You and Me, We make it what we will.
Sure there are some really bad people running the show and lots of corruption,
BUT, It has been our legacy as a country to rise above most adversity. We have done that by pulling together, putting our backs into it, and doing what is right.
"What is right" is the key to that success and we find that in our goodness and morality and duty to family. We as individuals must take responsibility to make sure we put our best thought and prayer into how we can keep a standard of decency in our immediate sphere of influence, and be ready to stand to when action is warranted.
I served in the USAF. I can not begin to describe the respect and honor I have for all of you in active duty. The real Heroes, not the brown-noser paper slugs that are so PC and afraid to think for themselves and are the ones who persecute people like Junocdx.
I ask all of you to keep the faith and know you are appreciated! I will gladly step back up and be there with you if the time comes.
This country is You and Me, We make it what we will.
I don't even know if starting completly over would do the trick..but it would come close...oh well...nuff said..let's ride!!
01-17-2008, 07:40 PM
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I completely agree with Speedkelly. This is a free country. Free to come in, Free to move out. Not happy? Go elsewhere or fix it. Destroying the sacred symbol of this country because you are not happy with the direction the government is going today should be your ticket out. But since we are free WE the people won't force you out. But it should serve as a wake up call to everyone who desecrates the Flag to consider taking up residence in another country that better suits their needs, feelings, emotions, what other people are doing to be different so they wanna be cool and do it too.
I mean if something is SOO bad that I would spit on it because I wasn't happy with it, I would change it, sell it, move it, kill it, or persuade it so that I am happy again.
For instance, the great Honda Motor Company that we all love gets a new CEO. A couple years later the product line and quality of machines produced goes to *****. Customers are unhappy and it is obvious that sales are diminishing. Many people would try to help the company because of the long history of fine products and service, and would want to do everything possible to restore its credibility. There would also be many people who would not support Honda any more and forever say bad things about Honda. They would buy Kawasakis and scoff at Honda riders. Oh and they would definitely burn everything they owned that had the Honda logo on it and get rid of their Honda motorcycles, cause frankly it sucks right? Never again would they use a Honda product or have anything to do with Honda. Kawasaki would be their brand. Honda believers would eventually restore the reputation and be happy. Kawasaki switchers would be happy and stay on their Kawasakis cause Honda was soo bad they did not want anything to do with it. And some people would switch back to Honda, well maybe a lot of people would cause Honda's would be cool again so their friends would get a Honda so they would get a Honda again too.
These people are basically riding a bunch of Honda's up to the Honda dealer and burning Honda emblems cause they don't like Hondas, and then getting back on their Hondas and riding them home where they will park them in the garage and wipe them off. I hope this makes sense but maybe I'm just crazy. But if I was dissatisfied with Honda enough to desecrate its name, I definitely would not own anything or have anything to do with Honda.
I mean if something is SOO bad that I would spit on it because I wasn't happy with it, I would change it, sell it, move it, kill it, or persuade it so that I am happy again.
For instance, the great Honda Motor Company that we all love gets a new CEO. A couple years later the product line and quality of machines produced goes to *****. Customers are unhappy and it is obvious that sales are diminishing. Many people would try to help the company because of the long history of fine products and service, and would want to do everything possible to restore its credibility. There would also be many people who would not support Honda any more and forever say bad things about Honda. They would buy Kawasakis and scoff at Honda riders. Oh and they would definitely burn everything they owned that had the Honda logo on it and get rid of their Honda motorcycles, cause frankly it sucks right? Never again would they use a Honda product or have anything to do with Honda. Kawasaki would be their brand. Honda believers would eventually restore the reputation and be happy. Kawasaki switchers would be happy and stay on their Kawasakis cause Honda was soo bad they did not want anything to do with it. And some people would switch back to Honda, well maybe a lot of people would cause Honda's would be cool again so their friends would get a Honda so they would get a Honda again too.
These people are basically riding a bunch of Honda's up to the Honda dealer and burning Honda emblems cause they don't like Hondas, and then getting back on their Hondas and riding them home where they will park them in the garage and wipe them off. I hope this makes sense but maybe I'm just crazy. But if I was dissatisfied with Honda enough to desecrate its name, I definitely would not own anything or have anything to do with Honda.
01-17-2008, 07:47 PM
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I think a start to improving society would be to require all citizens to do a couple years in the military (Marine Corps preferably). Other countries do this, why can't we? I don't remember learning any core values in grade school. Those have to be earned.
For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a sweeter taste the protected will never know.
For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a sweeter taste the protected will never know.
01-17-2008, 08:55 PM
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**** no, don't make 'em join my Marine Corps. I have a hard enough time properly edumacating all these young punks who enlist as is, I don't need some ******** forced in and ruining my Corps.
That's right, it's mine.
That's right, it's mine.
01-17-2008, 09:49 PM
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Semper Fi
01-18-2008, 07:50 AM
#25
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Maybe it's better to allow this kind of stuff, even though it's disgusting. I understand the flag represents the blood & sacrifice of many, and there is precious meaning attached to it.
But I'd rather have a country where people are free to burn our flag (or ride loud, dangerous motorcycles), than to risk the repression of freedom of the likes of Hitler, Stalin or the Islamo-Fascists.
Just my 2 cents...
But I'd rather have a country where people are free to burn our flag (or ride loud, dangerous motorcycles), than to risk the repression of freedom of the likes of Hitler, Stalin or the Islamo-Fascists.
Just my 2 cents...
01-18-2008, 12:31 PM
#27
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LR8GYZ;
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
Last edited by RK1; 01-18-2008 at 12:38 PM.
01-18-2008, 01:00 PM
#28
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LR8GYZ;
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
01-18-2008, 02:49 PM
#29
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Posts: 1,315
LR8GYZ;
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
"I'd rather have a country where people are free..."
That's fine, and I agree, but that's different than importing millions of people who hate us before they even get here. Then watch them **** on the flag and instead of throwing them back where they came from, give them welfare, food stamps and a section eight housing voucher.
Unfortunately American businessmen, and politicians want 'em here.
01-18-2008, 04:10 PM
#30
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I think it's more the congressmen, not the president that matters.. The president's power is pretty limited, though everyone thinks everything is the president's fault for some reason, like a monarch. Guess it's easier for some simple-minded people to cope with than their actual elected representatives who they probably didn't even know about.
For instance, can people here name their congressmen in the House and Senate that represent them? Truly, policy is lain out by them, such as the Patriot Act which went through without a hitch and OUR congressmen voted it into being, not the president, though some people thinking we're medieval think our king/dictator decreed it.
The Patriot Act is -quite- constitutional, because it was voted upon by OUR representatives and passed, without just about anyone calling up their state reps and saying otherwise. Interesting.
For instance, can people here name their congressmen in the House and Senate that represent them? Truly, policy is lain out by them, such as the Patriot Act which went through without a hitch and OUR congressmen voted it into being, not the president, though some people thinking we're medieval think our king/dictator decreed it.
The Patriot Act is -quite- constitutional, because it was voted upon by OUR representatives and passed, without just about anyone calling up their state reps and saying otherwise. Interesting.
