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05-15-2009, 10:44 PM
#1
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Different!!
I hope I can answer everybody’s question, so here it is:
98 VTR bought wrecked in 04 with 3000miles on.
Chassis: New short welded aluminum sub frame (less than half the weight of original steel), welded aluminum custom fairing/cluster support. Seat brought up 2 inches and forward 1 1/2 inches, smaller gel battery and electrics under the seat.
Front fork with stiffer springs, revalved, hard oil, raised about 1 ½ inches in the triple(lower front), very stable under braking but plain scary over ripples at full lean (got used with it) . Continuation: Shimmed (about 3/8”) stock shock works surprisingly well since the rear load is way less (forward weight bias) but likes low rear tire pressure (23PSI). Still offers full rear hop under heavy braking combined with downshifts. A slipper clutch would help but for now I rose idle to 1500 and use throttle blip. Otherwise when you ride hard, the rider behind watches the rear tire antics (practically in every corner) and thinks you are a crazy, suicidal maniac … plain, clean fun…
Storz steering damper. Vortex Clip-ons. Vortex Alloy sprockets (front 1 less tooth for better pull), 520 DID chain.
Engine: Dyno Jet II, K&N tuned by Crago Racing in Van Nuys, CA, 112HP Rear on their dyno.
Continuation: Electrics: change the cable main to an ’04 to accommodate the newer instrument cluster (with the digital display). And no, the gas level gauge is not working. 1098 taillight, Custom HID front, LED turns.
Brakes: Galfer braided lines, with EBC race pads (needs time to warm up). Still needs a touch of rear because the front is a handful.
Body: Carbon fiber all around. No, I can’t duplicate any since I made my molds on Styrofoam and yes, they melt under resin. Oh, and also I spent months to do it…Continuation: If you think it’s easy put some gloves on, smear some honey and try to do a shape out of feathers (oh, you have about a minute before it hardens). Then wait a day, sand it and apply another coating. Repeat 10 times and meanwhile try to suppress coughing
( carbon fiber and Kevlar dust is yummy and, I bet, healthy! ) Ignore the skin itch from the dust, it will only bother for about another week…Not in pictures was the carbon fiber gas tank. Lasted about 2 years. The gas eats the resin so it starts leaking. After patching about 5 times I finally gave up (riding on top of Los Angeles Crest Highway with my leaders soaked with gas and thinking of a new meaning of the expression “***** of fire”…) . Sadly I put back the original gas tank. In house (my garage) painting: Fire Fly red over Clear Carbon Weave.
Continuation: Exhaust: initially got an under seat muffler (a’la RR) but changed it again to an under engine shorty (half of a Renegade race Slip-on). All work done by Mark Muffler in Hesperia, CA (great guy). It comes with ear plugs…and “back off throttle when you see a cop” reminder.
Altogether lost plenty weight and mass centralized as much as possible (412 LBS wet). The bike feels more like a 600. Not when you open the throttle though. It eats rear tire for breakfast…(see album picture: no, it’s not a slick. It’s a Dunlop 208 GP street tire with 1600 miles canyons, no track). Riding position is more like but-up and you are dragging pegs before anything. Unparalleled to 110-120, will do 145 but it’s thin air and it can’t keep up with new inline 4s at v high speeds (confirmed by a couple of cops with radars, pens and no sense of humor…)Continuation, last page: Before you ask about fancy suspension/ wheels/etc: the buck stops here. I only spent about $5000 (not calculating labor) for the bike (including purchase price) and I intend to keep it that way. I spent $ 15000 on a new Ducati 1098 and it’s worth it. It would be a waste to do that on a 98 VTR. Which one is better: there is no definite answer.
When legs are to be stretched the Ducati has the edge. Try some tight canyons (or any canyons for that matter) a 11 year old V twin Honda will probably put it to shame.
Mission accomplished…
PS. If interested see pictures in my album and hear the sound on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXPEqVErdY
98 VTR bought wrecked in 04 with 3000miles on.
Chassis: New short welded aluminum sub frame (less than half the weight of original steel), welded aluminum custom fairing/cluster support. Seat brought up 2 inches and forward 1 1/2 inches, smaller gel battery and electrics under the seat.
Front fork with stiffer springs, revalved, hard oil, raised about 1 ½ inches in the triple(lower front), very stable under braking but plain scary over ripples at full lean (got used with it) . Continuation: Shimmed (about 3/8”) stock shock works surprisingly well since the rear load is way less (forward weight bias) but likes low rear tire pressure (23PSI). Still offers full rear hop under heavy braking combined with downshifts. A slipper clutch would help but for now I rose idle to 1500 and use throttle blip. Otherwise when you ride hard, the rider behind watches the rear tire antics (practically in every corner) and thinks you are a crazy, suicidal maniac … plain, clean fun…
Storz steering damper. Vortex Clip-ons. Vortex Alloy sprockets (front 1 less tooth for better pull), 520 DID chain.
Engine: Dyno Jet II, K&N tuned by Crago Racing in Van Nuys, CA, 112HP Rear on their dyno.
Continuation: Electrics: change the cable main to an ’04 to accommodate the newer instrument cluster (with the digital display). And no, the gas level gauge is not working. 1098 taillight, Custom HID front, LED turns.
Brakes: Galfer braided lines, with EBC race pads (needs time to warm up). Still needs a touch of rear because the front is a handful.
Body: Carbon fiber all around. No, I can’t duplicate any since I made my molds on Styrofoam and yes, they melt under resin. Oh, and also I spent months to do it…Continuation: If you think it’s easy put some gloves on, smear some honey and try to do a shape out of feathers (oh, you have about a minute before it hardens). Then wait a day, sand it and apply another coating. Repeat 10 times and meanwhile try to suppress coughing
( carbon fiber and Kevlar dust is yummy and, I bet, healthy! ) Ignore the skin itch from the dust, it will only bother for about another week…Not in pictures was the carbon fiber gas tank. Lasted about 2 years. The gas eats the resin so it starts leaking. After patching about 5 times I finally gave up (riding on top of Los Angeles Crest Highway with my leaders soaked with gas and thinking of a new meaning of the expression “***** of fire”…) . Sadly I put back the original gas tank. In house (my garage) painting: Fire Fly red over Clear Carbon Weave.
Continuation: Exhaust: initially got an under seat muffler (a’la RR) but changed it again to an under engine shorty (half of a Renegade race Slip-on). All work done by Mark Muffler in Hesperia, CA (great guy). It comes with ear plugs…and “back off throttle when you see a cop” reminder.
Altogether lost plenty weight and mass centralized as much as possible (412 LBS wet). The bike feels more like a 600. Not when you open the throttle though. It eats rear tire for breakfast…(see album picture: no, it’s not a slick. It’s a Dunlop 208 GP street tire with 1600 miles canyons, no track). Riding position is more like but-up and you are dragging pegs before anything. Unparalleled to 110-120, will do 145 but it’s thin air and it can’t keep up with new inline 4s at v high speeds (confirmed by a couple of cops with radars, pens and no sense of humor…)Continuation, last page: Before you ask about fancy suspension/ wheels/etc: the buck stops here. I only spent about $5000 (not calculating labor) for the bike (including purchase price) and I intend to keep it that way. I spent $ 15000 on a new Ducati 1098 and it’s worth it. It would be a waste to do that on a 98 VTR. Which one is better: there is no definite answer.
When legs are to be stretched the Ducati has the edge. Try some tight canyons (or any canyons for that matter) a 11 year old V twin Honda will probably put it to shame.
Mission accomplished…
PS. If interested see pictures in my album and hear the sound on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXPEqVErdY
Last edited by inderocker; 05-16-2009 at 09:36 AM.
05-16-2009, 09:47 AM
#4
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SuperBike
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MN
Posts: 1,548
I went to the short utube video. really looks like quite a cool project and outcome. but you are making it way to hard to enjoy. Edit this and put some pics in of the changes to break up all that text. less text, more pictures. we SH fanatics are a simple people. anyway, from what I saw, very cool.
Except the rear tire - does that get hot from the exhaust?
Except the rear tire - does that get hot from the exhaust?
05-16-2009, 11:45 AM
#9
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You can make the gas gauge work by swapping out the reserve sensor for a float from a newer bike and bending the float lever, (or whole new tank) and you can make the temp gauge accurate by swapping one of the two temp sensors (see yruyur's thread on doing a instrument cluster swap https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=18240)
The look of the bike is a matter of taste. I applaud the quality of the work and having something unique! Not all of it is to my taste, but if you like it, that is what matters! (kudos!)
It's always good to see someone enjoying their bike, and more so when it is a VTR!
The look of the bike is a matter of taste. I applaud the quality of the work and having something unique! Not all of it is to my taste, but if you like it, that is what matters! (kudos!)
It's always good to see someone enjoying their bike, and more so when it is a VTR!
Last edited by lazn; 05-16-2009 at 11:50 AM.
05-16-2009, 01:10 PM
#11
Out of my mind, back in 5
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Location: Skurup, Sweden
Posts: 6,109
Um... I'm pretty sure driving a DN-01 makes one 
enough to kiss other boys too, so what's the difference?
At least pick the fury, so you can be the dominant male in the relationship...
BTW... This one is up there with the top ten oddest threads around here...
enough to kiss other boys too, so what's the difference? At least pick the fury, so you can be the dominant male in the relationship...
BTW... This one is up there with the top ten oddest threads around here...
05-16-2009, 07:58 PM
#18
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Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
This might help!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXPEqVErdY
Your post didn't make any sense to me and I was goofin' around 'till I saw the youtube url.
Your bike looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXPEqVErdY
Your post didn't make any sense to me and I was goofin' around 'till I saw the youtube url.
Your bike looks great.
Last edited by RK1; 05-16-2009 at 08:01 PM.
05-17-2009, 12:46 PM
#22
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SuperBike
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
Posts: 1,858
Man, I love the tailsecton. That is super sweet. The rest is just ok. I looks like a lot of hard work was put into it, and it turned out be a quality job.
I'm a SuperHawk guy through and through, but a 1098 killer? I've ridden a 1098 and I don't see anything that was done to this bike that warrant that kind of claim! It would take a crap-ton to even get a VTR to that level, I'm sorry to say.
I'm a SuperHawk guy through and through, but a 1098 killer? I've ridden a 1098 and I don't see anything that was done to this bike that warrant that kind of claim! It would take a crap-ton to even get a VTR to that level, I'm sorry to say.
05-17-2009, 01:14 PM
#24
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Actually they are fully lined up... It's an optical illusion...
Unintentional too...
It's the yellow spring of the damper throwing your eyes off... helped by the bright colors one one side and muted by the shadows on the other... If you relax your eyes out of focus You can see that things line up...
However something funky is going on with the footpegs... How can you even ride that thing like that? It must feel very weird...
Unintentional too...It's the yellow spring of the damper throwing your eyes off... helped by the bright colors one one side and muted by the shadows on the other... If you relax your eyes out of focus You can see that things line up...
However something funky is going on with the footpegs... How can you even ride that thing like that? It must feel very weird...
05-17-2009, 01:33 PM
#26
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Actually they are fully lined up... It's an optical illusion... Unintentional too...
It's the yellow spring of the damper throwing your eyes off... helped by the bright colors one one side and muted by the shadows on the other... If you relax your eyes out of focus You can see that things line up...
Unintentional too...It's the yellow spring of the damper throwing your eyes off... helped by the bright colors one one side and muted by the shadows on the other... If you relax your eyes out of focus You can see that things line up...
05-17-2009, 09:15 PM
#29
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Squid
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you a right about the pegs, the right one was bent up to acomodate the previous exhaust setup.
totaly forgot about that. btw I do have to readjust the clip-ons and levers (because of using the stock gastank again).
totaly forgot about that. btw I do have to readjust the clip-ons and levers (because of using the stock gastank again).
05-18-2009, 07:08 AM
#30
I could ride in
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quote=Gregw;217198]
Is it just the picture, or is your rear wheel too far left?[/quote]
short focal length lens; ie. Spherical aberration ? Seems like the tarmac and plants look a little skewed too...
Is it just the picture, or is your rear wheel too far left?[/quote]
short focal length lens; ie. Spherical aberration ? Seems like the tarmac and plants look a little skewed too...
