Brake rotors
10-02-2013, 11:26 AM
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Brake rotors
Looking into buying new wave rotors, since I smoked my rear with a stuck caliper.
I'm looking for an affordable set that's well made I don't want it to be toast in a year. I know EBC and galfer make good rotors but they are high priced. Wanted to see if anyone had tested and found a cheaper alternative that still holds up well.
I'm looking for an affordable set that's well made I don't want it to be toast in a year. I know EBC and galfer make good rotors but they are high priced. Wanted to see if anyone had tested and found a cheaper alternative that still holds up well.
10-02-2013, 11:42 AM
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Rear Galfer wave rotors can be had new for $105.. At that price.. I would not want any of the Chinese knock offs.
Fronts are the pricey ones for sure .. every time I get close to spending on them,, I think about doing at front end swap.. just for the bigger brakes available
Fronts are the pricey ones for sure .. every time I get close to spending on them,, I think about doing at front end swap.. just for the bigger brakes available
10-02-2013, 03:11 PM
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I know, I thought about the swap, but much like you I just got my forks back from Jamie. So I'm going to wait a while to do the swap, and was probably just to the GSXR 6 pot swap when I need new front pads so I figured I would start looking into wave rotors and get some opinions.
10-02-2013, 06:57 PM
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I know, I thought about the swap, but much like you I just got my forks back from Jamie. So I'm going to wait a while to do the swap, and was probably just to the GSXR 6 pot swap when I need new front pads so I figured I would start looking into wave rotors and get some opinions.
10-02-2013, 10:23 PM
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I decided not to screw around with alternatives and just went with the EBC's.
I also have an F4i front end (and calipers), loaded with Galfer 1375's.
Might be a little hard to keep the pads warmed up on street rides, but on the track...this is certainly a fun combo
T1 brakes - BHF - 9/25/13 - YouTube
(passing on the brakes in T1 compilation vid - watch the last bike)
I also have an F4i front end (and calipers), loaded with Galfer 1375's.
Might be a little hard to keep the pads warmed up on street rides, but on the track...this is certainly a fun combo
T1 brakes - BHF - 9/25/13 - YouTube
(passing on the brakes in T1 compilation vid - watch the last bike)
10-02-2013, 11:04 PM
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I decided not to screw around with alternatives and just went with the EBC's.
I also have an F4i front end (and calipers), loaded with Galfer 1375's.
Might be a little hard to keep the pads warmed up on street rides, but on the track...this is certainly a fun combo
T1 brakes - BHF - 9/25/13 - YouTube
(passing on the brakes in T1 compilation vid - watch the last bike)
I also have an F4i front end (and calipers), loaded with Galfer 1375's.
Might be a little hard to keep the pads warmed up on street rides, but on the track...this is certainly a fun combo
T1 brakes - BHF - 9/25/13 - YouTube
(passing on the brakes in T1 compilation vid - watch the last bike)
my street setup is
Stock front end modified by hawk rider & fork brace
gsxr calipers and master
EBC contour rotors
Galfer 1375 Pads
Last edited by Stumpy; 10-03-2013 at 07:59 PM.
10-03-2013, 06:04 AM
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The problem with brake threads and whats "BEST" is unless you have the experience to articulate the quantifiable results observed on many different set ups on a known course, same bike, each with the same prep prior... You only know if your set up leaves you wanting more, or if it works well enough.
I've only tried 8 front versions so far.
Of those I like #8 the best
And still....the brakes on my wifes 2007 Ninja 650R have better initial bite, and more grab all the way to lock up with better feel then my bike.
With it's lighter weight, bigger disks, lighter front wheel, lower center of gravity and different rake/weight bias it is not really comparable to my SH...
So I'll keep swapping parts.... to see if I can make my brakes better..
Next up is a 19mm radial master and new EBC disks.. I like my suspension too much to swap front ends for bigger brakes.
Rear brakes are good for me with OEM master and caliper... I do have a SS line and Galfer rotor.. EBC HH pads
I've only tried 8 front versions so far.
- OEM
- OEM except SS lines and HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, GSXR 6 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except large bore RC51 master and SS lines, GSXR 6 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, Vesrah RJL pads
- OEM except large bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, Vesrah RJL pads
Of those I like #8 the best
And still....the brakes on my wifes 2007 Ninja 650R have better initial bite, and more grab all the way to lock up with better feel then my bike.
With it's lighter weight, bigger disks, lighter front wheel, lower center of gravity and different rake/weight bias it is not really comparable to my SH...
So I'll keep swapping parts.... to see if I can make my brakes better..
Next up is a 19mm radial master and new EBC disks.. I like my suspension too much to swap front ends for bigger brakes.
Rear brakes are good for me with OEM master and caliper... I do have a SS line and Galfer rotor.. EBC HH pads
Last edited by E.Marquez; 10-03-2013 at 06:42 AM.
03-18-2014, 11:30 AM
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Rear Galfer wave rotors can be had new for $105.. At that price.. I would not want any of the Chinese knock offs.
Fronts are the pricey ones for sure .. every time I get close to spending on them,, I think about doing at front end swap.. just for the bigger brakes available
Fronts are the pricey ones for sure .. every time I get close to spending on them,, I think about doing at front end swap.. just for the bigger brakes available
03-18-2014, 07:49 PM
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03-18-2014, 08:00 PM
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Erik,
I have tried your options 1, 2, 3 & 6 plus let's call it option 6A (large bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, HH) and like option 6 better than 6A. Are the Vesrah pads your using the VD-166/2RJL?
PS, no rush, just curious about "my" flywheel...
I have tried your options 1, 2, 3 & 6 plus let's call it option 6A (large bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, HH) and like option 6 better than 6A. Are the Vesrah pads your using the VD-166/2RJL?
PS, no rush, just curious about "my" flywheel...
The problem with brake threads and whats "BEST" is unless you have the experience to articulate the quantifiable results observed on many different set ups on a known course, same bike, each with the same prep prior... You only know if your set up leaves you wanting more, or if it works well enough.
I've only tried 8 front versions so far.
Of those I like #8 the best
And still....the brakes on my wifes 2007 Ninja 650R have better initial bite, and more grab all the way to lock up with better feel then my bike.
With it's lighter weight, bigger disks, lighter front wheel, lower center of gravity and different rake/weight bias it is not really comparable to my SH...
So I'll keep swapping parts.... to see if I can make my brakes better..
Next up is a 19mm radial master and new EBC disks.. I like my suspension too much to swap front ends for bigger brakes.
Rear brakes are good for me with OEM master and caliper... I do have a SS line and Galfer rotor.. EBC HH pads
I've only tried 8 front versions so far.
- OEM
- OEM except SS lines and HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, GSXR 6 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except large bore RC51 master and SS lines, GSXR 6 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, HH pads
- OEM except small bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, Vesrah RJL pads
- OEM except large bore RC51 master and SS lines, F4i 4 pot calipers, Vesrah RJL pads
Of those I like #8 the best
And still....the brakes on my wifes 2007 Ninja 650R have better initial bite, and more grab all the way to lock up with better feel then my bike.
With it's lighter weight, bigger disks, lighter front wheel, lower center of gravity and different rake/weight bias it is not really comparable to my SH...
So I'll keep swapping parts.... to see if I can make my brakes better..
Next up is a 19mm radial master and new EBC disks.. I like my suspension too much to swap front ends for bigger brakes.
Rear brakes are good for me with OEM master and caliper... I do have a SS line and Galfer rotor.. EBC HH pads
03-18-2014, 08:23 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for measuring it. Found a used one on eBay that I scooped up for quite a discount from brand new. It's thickness is 4.92mm so that's not to bad.
03-18-2014, 09:04 PM
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and Your flywheel was done days ago,,,,,,, send me shipping info and it'll be on it's way.
03-19-2014, 05:14 AM
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I'm having trouble finding the vesrah VD-166/2RJ brake pads (the 2RJ pads are 8 mm vs 7 for the regular vesrah VD-166), and they are $18+ more than the comparable EBC's I'm running now (?)
PS I emailed you about the flywheel...
PS I emailed you about the flywheel...
03-19-2014, 05:40 AM
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Pretty sure
Vesrah VD-166/2 RJL are the 7mm
Vesrah VD-166/RJL are the 8mm
03-19-2014, 08:37 PM
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03-20-2014, 06:31 PM
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Are Vesrahs that much better than EBC HH+?
Kurvey Girl appears to sell 2 sets for $120 + shipping though I found them on Fleabay for $50 per set including shipping (the VD-166/2 RJL 8mm thickness).
My question is with the EBC sintered HH+ at $60 for 2 sets, are the Vesrah pads 100% better? Inquiring minds need a objective opinion.
My question is with the EBC sintered HH+ at $60 for 2 sets, are the Vesrah pads 100% better? Inquiring minds need a objective opinion.
kurveygirl.com - Dzus, Vesrah, Brembo, Spring Clips and More - Vesrah VD-166/2 RJL : CBR600F4 (01-04), CBR900RR (00-03), RC51
Pretty sure
Vesrah VD-166/2 RJL are the 7mm
Vesrah VD-166/RJL are the 8mm
Pretty sure
Vesrah VD-166/2 RJL are the 7mm
Vesrah VD-166/RJL are the 8mm
03-20-2014, 07:15 PM
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Kurvey Girl appears to sell 2 sets for $120 + shipping though I found them on Fleabay for $50 per set including shipping (the VD-166/2 RJL 8mm thickness).
My question is with the EBC sintered HH at $60 for 2 sets, are the Vesrah pads 100% better? Inquiring minds need a objective opinion.
My question is with the EBC sintered HH at $60 for 2 sets, are the Vesrah pads 100% better? Inquiring minds need a objective opinion.
Yes I like them better for feel than EBC.
Not sure I WOULD pay a ton more $$ over EBC HH..... but if you find them at a good price, try the Vesrah
EDIT: So I found my invoice from 18 months ago.. I paid $55 a set, or $110 for both calipers
EDIT 2: Where are you finding EBC pads for $30 a set?
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03-20-2014, 07:32 PM
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My local Honda stealer gives me 15% off and for some reason sold me 2 sets last year for $60 or so. Best I've seen EBCs for recently is $40/set shipped though. Have a set of new-used OEM front rotors (and a rear) I bead blasted last year to stick on but probably should rebuild the F4i calipers before, as I think they're dragging too much and probably have never been cracked open (hate those 12-point head fasteners they use though) and I shudder to think what new seals will run...
Do you have the correct seal set part numbers for the F4i calipers by any chance (as I'm not sure what year they are but figure they are the same seals for all years (no)?
Do you have the correct seal set part numbers for the F4i calipers by any chance (as I'm not sure what year they are but figure they are the same seals for all years (no)?
I don't remember paying THAT much more for them over EBC HH pads.. so my % better is more a ..
Yes I like them better for feel than EBC.
Not sure I WOULD pay a ton more $$ over EBC HH..... but if you find them at a good price, try the Vesrah
EDIT: So I found my invoice from 18 months ago.. I paid $55 a set, or $110 for both calipers
EDIT 2: Where are you finding EBC pads for $30 a set?
Yes I like them better for feel than EBC.
Not sure I WOULD pay a ton more $$ over EBC HH..... but if you find them at a good price, try the Vesrah
EDIT: So I found my invoice from 18 months ago.. I paid $55 a set, or $110 for both calipers
EDIT 2: Where are you finding EBC pads for $30 a set?
03-20-2014, 07:52 PM
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just bought a set of EBC HH pads for both front calipers. $33 a set on bikebandit
03-20-2014, 08:58 PM
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Nice find! Now what are the F4i caliper seal rebuild "kit" part numbers and where can we get them the cheapest???
just bought a set of EBC HH pads for both front calipers. $33 a set on bikebandit
03-20-2014, 09:16 PM
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a quick (very easy) google search shows they go for around $30-50.
ive never done a caliper rebuild so i cant say what a good kit is or where the best place to get it is.
if im buying something thats basically the same anywhere i get it from, i find the cheapest. if its something that needs to function properly (especially if my life depends on it.... like brakes) i try to find the best quality. ill spend a few extra bucks to get a better setup.
03-21-2014, 06:00 AM
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06451-MCJ-405 SEAL SET, PISTON is the larger top piston seal set
45107-MCJ-006 PISTON A is the larger piston
06451-MBW-405 SEAL SET, PISTON is the smaller bottom piston
45117-MBW-E11 PISTON is the smaller piston
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