who should win?
 

ive got a few friends who ride and id like some opinions on where we should each ideally stand when compaired to eachother.

first off is an 01 cbr 600 f4i with hindle pipe
05 vfr 800 with leo vince pipes
my 01 vtr1000 with drilled baffles
and lastly a 94 rf600. guy thinks its fast, even talked smack to me but wont try to back up the smack talk.

like to see where all these bikes stack up if we were to line up and do a pull from a dig and say a 60 mph roll. :)

The VTR should obliverate all those... The VFR should walk away at top end... but from a standstill the grunt of the VTR will make short work of them...

sweet figured as much :D

especially that rf600. hes stuck in the 90s, thinks his 90s ss wanna be bike will take mine and theres been some smack talk even though ive half throttled to avoid rear ending him while passing cars and such. lol. guess if its nice tomorrow we see just how bad of a shilllacking im gonna throw to him :D

BTW... Stupid hurts... Don't be stupid...

Sounds like its time to break out the tape measure.:rolleyes:

What do you mean by that?

Not stupid I like to play safe but have fun at the same time. Pretty careful when we do go out and play :)

Hahahahaha! :mrgreen:

I meant that you should compare the width of your chickenstrips. What did you think I meant?:shock:

Seriously, Have a fun ride, but don't let competition cloud your brain. Your bike is by far the torque master of the group.

These bikes all have about the same peak horsepower output (not sure about the RF600??) so I wouldn't expect to pull away by much if at all from 60 to top end.

i would put my money on the vfr...have riden them all and the vfr has a meaty midrange...

You guys do own a superhawks don't you? ;) Seriously though I'll respectfully disagree simply because a superhawk makes more horsepower, more torque, has a higher top speed and is quite a bit lighter than a vfr. From a dig is going to completely depend on the rider.

I remember reading tests reports on both the VTR and F4 - both top out in the low 150's (which sounds about right for bikes that put out around 100 to 105hp, and from what I've seen). Probably the VFR would be about the same.

Why don't you and your friends just go out and have fun? There are some good curvy roads on the Niagara escarpment. The rider rather than the machine is the deciding factor. If you can't have fun without high speeds, why don't you all do a track day at Cayuga? In any case, you just got your Firestorm. Take the time to get to know it.

Oh I definatly am. I'm still taking my time through corners not pushing like the other guys are but I'm getting more comfortable on it :) we do a lot of twisty stuff. Did ridge rd and 21st st the other day along with some other fun roads :)

Sorry I'm new what are chicken strips? I thought the tape measure comment was to measure how close it was gonna be :)

For the most part we don't talk smack a bit of ball busting but the rf owner has been getting a little loose at the lips lately. He's also the same guy we have to wait for at every light and after every turn lol. And that's going at an easy pace :)

Man I hope its nice tomorrow. Gonna have a photoshoot with the bikes and a nice ride if its good. But its not looking good as of now.

A chicken strip is an unworn portion of the tire near the edge. Wide chicken strips show that the bike isn't being leaned over much. Narrow or non-existent chicken strips show that the bike is being leaned over a lot.

Oh right on. I learn something everyday. Lol. I think I'm doing good. I've got about an inch to go before I hit the edge :D

I'd mostly agree with this but the Superhawk is a known entity and the VFR's went through what most would agree was an engineering demise.

My 97 (carbed) is about 50 pounds heavier than the Superhawk and about 5 mph faster. The 98's through 2001 were the first 800's and FI. Nice bike, I sorta owned one for about six weeks. Nice enough but no justification for owning two. 2002 spelled the end for the VFR. Pollution control, VTEC, added 70 pounds with diminished performance - it's a tank.

The last incarnation really stirred my juices. I actually had a purchase position for $5k under MSRP for the tricolor anniversary edition for about six weeks before their delivery to dealers. I was hot for that bike and the price was right.

When it arrived I went to look at it and I could hardly get it off its side stand. An absolute brick.

It was more everything except more motorcycle. As I walked out of the showroom everybody had their hand out hoping that I wouldn't just shake it and say thanks.

I offered my position here and there were no takers. I canceled my position after the contract 7 days. I don't regret it. I have seen them on the road and I don't even like them anymore.

After seeing Superbling's 96 VFR wrapped in CBR fairings I am confident I made the right choice.

It's important to note that there are 7 generations of VFR's and only one Superhawk. The Superhawk was built over a 5 year span and the VFR's about 20.

makes you wonder why haha.

i had one small run with my buddies vfr, we were doing a twisty run and came up on a car, from 60 to about 150 kph. now he pulled out first and we were both riing the right gear, i pulled out behind him and managed to reel his lead in by probably 120 kph and ended up 3/4 throttle just to keep from hitting him. later i asked him and he claims that he wasnt on it fully. then again he says he fed the cbr and the cbr owner says otherwise so i think theres one way to solve this and thats a 3 way hiway pull one night from a low speed :D

all good info guys.

I saw a clean 1st generation VF750F Interceptor about a month ago. It looked surprisingly good for a 26 year old bike. Two of my hard core riding buddies from the '80s bought one the first year in '83.

Don't try to lose those chickenstrips all at once. Some say that if you don't have chickenstrips, you should be doing it on the track. When I rode most of the time with a group back then, we had an agreement that everyone would ride within their own limits. It makes for a more fun ride if nobody has to ride home to get a pick-up truck or call an ambulance. I was never in the front of the group, but twice we had a new guy with us that pushed too hard, went wide and crashed, fortunately without serious injury.

Were pretty good about going at our own pace. The rf owner rides at a pace slower than a normal pace. My first day on the bike first time ever owning it riding carefully I had to wait for him a few times. Guys been riding for a year. For the most part though everyones fine and no ones gonna make you go harder than you want to. The chicken strps will stay for now. I've had a good lean on her and I'm at the end of my current comfort zone with the bike. For now anyways :)

cbr600f4i has topend on shawk.
verified this over multiple runs.

yea because hes in his teensy weensy powerband at top speed while the superhawk is running out of breath. but up to that point you were feeding it to him, hard!

but guess what.... you will absolutely walk away from the F4i up to that speed.

i did a pull from 70km/h to 200 with a 2001 Gixxer 750 with a -1+2 sprockets

roll on i pulled away but he reeled me in top end...so imagine what you would do with the 600's

Gotta love that torque. Keep it above 5k rpm and it has all the punch I want coming out of a corner. :wheelie:

a suzuki rf600 shouldnt be anything more than a glorified katana. heavy steal frame and lack luster power. unless the guy riding it can really throw down in the corners it would be a travisty if you on your hawk cant out corner him. i would be suprised if the rf (80hp at the rear wheel) can top 130mph.

haha well even with the best rider i dont see this old rf really hanging me. and like i said, first day ever riding and we were waiting for him and thats not even riding hard, thats going at an easy pace learning the bike getting used to push steeering it still. hell man my 4th or so ride we went for a spin down the hiway and it was maybe a 20 km blast and we get to our coffee shop location and he calls saying he went home cause he couldnt keep up, complaining about us going too fast and stuff. and the funny thing is our buddy just bought a new new tiumph daytona 675 and was breaking in the motor so he wasnt reving it hard or high and he was only a couple minutes behind us and the rf guy couldnt even hold pace with him. terrible. i wish it was crappy out i really wanna lay a beating to him today and rub it in his face.

we were joking around the one day about runnng from the cops if were ever caught doing something stupid and i said well i know im getting away youre the slowest here youre getting caught. and hes like no way ill top end your bike, and really i laughed at him and from there it was on. now he just talks smack through a friend to me so i think he needs to be humbled. funny thing is hes seen my bike go and what he doesnt know is when ive opened her up i havent taken it over 7000 rpm because at the point it just pulled too hard for me a newer rider os i was always very easy on it around him.

and you guys are right about the 5000 rpm thing. the bike has so much low end grunt that ive just been cruising at 3000 knowing i can roll into it and its got enough go that in 4th and 5th gear itll still move itself at a good pace. but the other day i went for a spin after drilling out the rest of the baffles and i just couldnt keep her low in the rpms. she loves being at 5000 and higher. just sings at those engine speeds and it really awake.

oh and im wondering whats the vtr supposed to make at the rear wheel for hp completely stock and what if any gains are to be found after drilling out the baffles but not removing them?

^^ u're not really gaining anything. in fact, if your bike was tuned perfectly for the stock pipes, you'll loose as you are not running lean.

in all seriousness though...please, PLEASE, dont do any pulls with your buddies before u have a few months of riding under you. things can go wrong very quickly at those speeds.

I had a first gen vf750 interceptor. People would say, "Radiators"? and "why are the wheels different sizes"?. I would blast up the twisty part of the taconic PKWY every monday. What a treat. I changed the exhaust to single and lost 30 or so pounds. The bike did i mean. Then again I was 30 pounds lighter as well.

dude did you not already know the answer to this, they are middling 600s exept for the vfr which arent that quick but arent meant to be anyway they arent that type of bike

anyway why are you having to ask on here? did they all beat you on the street even tho your bike is a lot faster :p

hawk is something like 110 horsepower i think i aint looked up the figures to make sure, its the torque that really does it tho. twins never have that high a horsepower figure so dont have huge top end speed, altho the hawk does 150 a 1000cc inline four would be over 180mph, but the twins have a lot more torque for epic acceleration and when would you even be doing 150 really

Two weekends ago, dragged raced three friends at local dragstrip on "Run what you brung night." Length of strip was 1/8 mile, even with my wheelie prone launches i beat all three riding, 900 ducati ss, 2006 r6, 2006 fz6. My best time was 7.62 at 97.4 mph. Interestingly enough fz6 was faster than r6, most likely due to low end engine tuning. Hopped up Ducati was almost as fast as me!

thats the torque of these bikes for ya, pull ya straight off the line :D

My punk ass chef always in my face about his bad ass "Gixxer" 600 with chip and exhaust, blah, blah, blah shut the fu... up when we went for a ride the other day. All his, and the bikes whining couldn't match the off the line acceleration of the SH. He want's a ducati now.

i had a suspision. every time we had a chance to go and did there were excuses, oh i wasnt on it, i shifted gears and had no power in the next gear for some reason, blah blah blah so i was second guessing the bike. the rf i knew wouldnt stand a chance at all. infact after all the smack talk i saw him tonite and didnt say anything to him regarding it till another buddy showed up and first thing he said, so you guys race yet, haha. so i laugh and the guy on the rf is like no im not racing him. im like wtf were you not the guy who said youd beat me? so long story short we had a nice cruise tonite, got a little chilly, wish i brought the liner for my jacket out with me. but a real nice little cruise and had my first near mishap. pulled out of a local tim hortons, rolled into first gear a bit went for second, thought i was in second dropped the clutch and turns out the bike had not shifted gears as it felt to have had and i ended up back in first with a locked up rear tire, got a little squirely for a second. was weird because it felt like it had gone in. oh well. :)

what do you guys think of the brand new triumph daytona 675? my buddy has one brand new, gorgeous bike, makes like 127 whp. and the guy on the vfr said he was slapping him around pretty good through a few pulls. i dunno i thought with the power of these bikes and being a torquey inline 3 it should have had a decent chance against it. but from what ive been told those things are geared like crap.

oh another thing, what temps are your bikes running at? it was cooler tonite so i was seeing around 85 in the city, didnt notice what it was on the hiway but in the last week its been hot and humid and im getting about 93 or so on the hiway and about 103-105 in the city sometimes just over 100. all depending on the driving speeds

We're mostly American farenheight type dudes. Our VTRs run 185-200 highway on a warmish summer day.

triumphs are lovely i really want a triple for my next bike

my vtr temp guage is usually at the middle or just below it so i guess 90 degrees ish?? cools down a bit on a highway run

its hard to overheat these bikes with those beast radiators, my old ninja would be overheating in like a minute or two of sitting still lol

if you do race the guy with the RF, watch it. it sounds like he's the type to crash before swallowing his pride. I've known a few. anyway my opinion here is you should be able to take them all under most circumstances especially in the corners. as for the 675, it's gonna be my next bike too. I rode a street triple adn I was really impressed with how much it pulled down low. don't know if the gearing is the same, but its got the goods.

Cool thanks for the info. I might toss my k&n back in. It ran better with it in there and its got covers for those big holes in the air box. Gonna see if we can richen the carbs up a bit today when I hit the local shop to have my chain looked at. Seems to have a bit too much slag for me. The rf guy is too slow to catch me to crash into me. He's too much of a conservative rider and all I have to do is crack her halfway and he won't try to catch up. He is however convinced his bike is a supersport.

The coolant temperatures you're seeing are normal. The fan should kick in at about 103 Celsius.

perfect it does that, thanks :) hey 2 things, i noticed. first on my way home from the bike place i started hearing something making a dragging sound from the front end, thought it might have been a rock so i took it home, checked the tire and nothing, but noticed at one spot i get a little squeek from what could be the front brakes. they look pretty straight and i dont see anything lodged in there. is it anything i should be worried about?

and secondly my mechanic cant place a sound so ill ask here. in all the gears, 6th being the loudest i hear a rattly sound. its definatly from the engine, he thinks it may be soemthing with the clutch but cold also be the timing chain but isnt too sure and said its not worth ripping apart as it may be nothing. but say im riding at 3000 rpm, if i just coast the sound goes away, but as soon as i give it just a little throttle i hear it. at first we thought it may have been the chain rattling around but now were not too sure what it is. chain was a little loose and is now tightened back up again. any ideas?

cbr600f41 dominates after 150 bc thats all my hawk has then 600 leaves me