Two diffene kind of cct.... why
 

Hi last week i buyed CCT from ebay. There made by CRU. i brought the SH in the shop today to get them install and they told my one of the cct dose not fit the front cam cover. Both CCT are identical. (dose this sound right?) I Call the CRu to notify them. and they said there going to send me another set. so now i have my SH sitin in the shop for the next four days.....

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Is the shop charging you for the extra days the bike is going to be sitting?

Yes, they are supposed to be identical... No it sounds like either the guys at that shop shouldn't wrench or they and you are confused/confusing each other...

That is if the two CCT's are indeed identical...

:iagree:

Not to much that can be added to that.

:iagree: the only other thing i could think of is when the cct was made,maybe they put the screw in,they put it backwards and the in part is facing out and the out part is facing in.if you know what i mean.

The shop is not chargeing me extra for leave it sit there ..... but they are chargeing 2hr worth of labor which is 85$ per hr

I'm not a gear head so i would ain't i leave that to the certified gearhead. but the cct are identical ....

wow 85hr,i am so glad i do all my own work,otherwise i wouldnt even have 25% of my bike done.i would go back to shop and look at your cct's you bought and make sure theres something wrong or if you have them in hand,take a pic and put up on here so we could have a look at them.

If they are indeed identical, they will fit rear or front cylinder... Like they should... There are no difference or even way to tell what cylinder they go on for OEM's and shouldn't be for aftermarket ones... So if they are identical the rear one shouldn't fit either... Unless it is out of spec in some way... And hence not identical...

The only way you could make an correct and identical part not fit, is to turn it 180 degrees... And that's classified as stupid...

Did you go to the same school as Havoc? :)

I finally receive the second CCt. it came in this moring, so i ran to back to the shop to have the MC install it. he finish puting back everything together. now there another issues that cam up. the hawk won't start. it not a dead batter. i have not idea why! the MC was staying the bike might skip the time. can sum give me any idea what going on.

"skip the time" or in other words they released the tension on the timing chain and the timing chain moved jumped timing on the camshaft gears, which means your camshafts are not properly aligned with the crankshaft. since we have an interference motor, this could mean that any turn of the engine could make the intake or exhaust valves hit the pistons, which is NOT GOOD.

sounds like the shop messed up.

Were you having problems before you gave them the bike? If not, and if it skipped timing, then that's THEIR fault, and they need to fix it for FREE.

If the mechanic is an idiot and tried to swap the CCTs without putting the cylinder that he is working on to TDC before removing the old one then yes it could have skipped or jumped timing. In fact he may have destroyed your engine.

This is why you learn to do this work yourself instead of paying someone else $85/hr to break your bike.

aaawww great i don't need this s@#t right now.

yep sorry to break the news, let us know what they say.

I'll just quote myself, shall I?

Why people insist on having "professionals" screw up their bike, instead of learning to do the work themselves, is a mystery to me...

"motherf**King no good for nothing gearhead" He bent the valves MC call about an hour ago and i went back to the shop. he started to tell me sum nonsense on the v twin how he was suppose to rotate sum to set it at a default before uninstall ccts and release the tension. anyway he said he going to pay for and my bike is going to be in the shop for another week. :( .. is there thing i need to look out for while he doing this ......?

Mmmm OUCH!

Let me see they should provide you with a courtesy bike for the duration of the repairs. An agreement that the only cost you should incur is a couple of hours labour for the original CCT swap. For good measure and goodwill they give you a warranty (say 6 months/3K miles for parts & labour on their 'workmanship').

Even if you get it back from them I'd take it pronto to a reputable mechanic to check that everything has been done to spec.

if he says he is going to fix it, just call him every so often to make sure it's getting fixed, but don't bug him he's the one fixing his mistake.

Yep, that is exactly what happens when it isn't done it right. At least he is paying for it, though the repair will probably cost more than he expects. (might be cheaper for him to buy you a replacement engine/bike and part out the old one) Just make sure it runs right (and has manual ccts) when you get it back...

A 1 hour job turned into a 2 week rebuild because the "mechanic" didn't know what he was doing. His mistake, his fault..

Not to be selfish. I have a set of 2004 heads that are fresh for a local shop. I had considered offering the set for sell on the site. Let me know if you need a set.
Yet, with the passed condition the Pro-MC has provided you, i would be cautious...

Dude, it it were me I'd bring the bike to the best shop in town and have this sh*t pay for it. There's no way I would let this puckerhead change my oil after this mishap. He broke it once; he may break it again.

If you stay with this guy, print off Lazn's & Calitoz's instructions, but really... Even I changed the CCTs...

Good luck!

The non-sense mechanic is correct... The nonsense about doing some rotating before removing a CCT on the bike, that is... The problem is that he didn't do that, and he should have both known and done it before creating this mess...

Like others have said... Talk to him, set a firm timeframe when you will get the bike back, set a firm cost now concerning what you will pay then... Ie anything above 2 hours labour for a CCT change is his cost... (That's how fast a novice mechanic will do the job when it's done right... A good mechanic will be faster)

Also, like have been said, a new top end or a new engine/bike altogether is probably cheaper... Discuss that with him before he starts tearing into it... Also discuss the fact that you will not allow parts that are "probably" unhurt to be re-used, measured to spec or replace, nothing else... And dicuss the fact that you will want to see a complete list of what parts have been replaced and what has been re-used when he is done...

And like Wicky said, when he does a repair work like this, obviously at the lowest possible cost to himself, I would expect a warranty on that work, in written form... And I would discuss that also now before starting work...

If he has issues with the recommendation on replacing the engine instead of fixing it, let him have a read through some threads on the forum, and show him the price of a few replacement engines...

Basically, discuss all the possible outcomes now, before it goes sour... Be polite and non-confrontal, but get firm answers or it's not usefull to either of you...

Big +1

why with the knowledge base that we have? why? Some days I wonder if I am getting more intolerant or the people are getting dumber.

I have asked myself that a couple of times... Let me know if you find an answer...

I vote for dumber.

wow,this guy is having a bad week,or two,ive come to understand,most shops you go to seem to work on bikes like they are doing it in the back yard,pliers,ductape,and freakin windex lol.
i can do that myself,thats why i do all work on all my vehicles myself.im fortunate to come from a mc background.
maybe i will open a small shop and charge 60hr,that will cut everyone else,and it will be done right.

well, the shop I am working at charges 60 and we have more than enough work, booking out a 2 weeks right now.

really guys..... this is my first bike... like i know what the going rate on a Mc that work on bikes. These guy seen to be professionals. boy was i wrong. Anyway i only know one SH owner near me but has barley anything to him self. i wish there were more SH owner nEAR ME ....

Sorry to hear about your bike. I think everyone has covered what needs to be done. Have you talked to the guy in charge and calmly explained what needed to be done to make this situation right?

With all due respect to folks who are mechanically inclined… It isn’t as easy for everyone as it is for you. I can envision myself bringing the SH into a shop to have work done. It’s only because I am perpetually broke and irrationally driven that I ever touch the bike.

I think in a way you underestimate the skills you have. Not all of us have this aptitude. For a lot of us an engine is a foreign language. We are good at what we’re good at, but we don’t necessarily know how to follow even the simple directions for the CCT install.

I think it was John Burns who said that motorcyclists think they are mechanical because they sit right over their engines, but most of us are just ordinary people who are Marketers, accountants, and coders on our day jobs. And if we were to explain how to design a Web site, navigate a tax return or design an ad campaign, it is just a little possible that y’all would be lost, too.

You chose poorly adventurer (cel2620xl), but there was no way you could know better. Leave a negative rating on this dude’s yellow pages ad and anywhere else you can AFTER you’re through this little abortion and always research a shop ahead of time. But, shit, this is really just piss-poor luck. You will get your bike back eventually and at least you live in Florida and not Maine. You’ll still have lots of season left.

‘course who wants to ride to Florida anyhow ;)

+1...nor wants to get dirty. That said, I do noticed those that just bring everything to the next guy rarely have much respect for the ownership of their bike

Yea i talk to the shop owner, and he look at the bike is said it the rear valves that are no good. so there over night the parts. they should be here tomorrow morning i going to see how this turn out by tomorrow afternoon keeping my finger cross and at the same time i have my state exam tomorrow i have to worry about. also on a good note i order my jar dine hi mount sys cost me 650 big one. will be here on Friday.

I agree Calitoz. I know the the bikes I've liked best are the ones I really knew (and worked on). OTOH, there are a few bikes I remember only because I ruined them.

In a way we're still discussing Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance after all these years. One of the problem is that novice mechanics sometimes can't see the REASON things work the way they do, so instructions seem... more complex than they should.

This thread reminds me of that part of Zen where the narrator brings his bike in for a valve adjustment and the mechanics use vice grips to get to them and mung everything up...

Is he going to send the valves and heads out for a valve job? You can't just throw some new valves in an existing head and call it good.

What state exam are you taking? Whatever it is, keep focused on it as the rest will work itself out.

you can wish that someone lived near you to help with your problem, but I believe wishing's for fairies(lord I apologize for that). hahaha

My experience with mechanics has taught me that most can replace parts and perform basic maintenance, but very few understand how each component functions and further how it affect all others. The worst part of this modus operandi is that they are financially rewarded for their inadequacy because instead of just fixing the particular problem, they often replace a bunch of shit not essential for eliminating the issue and this can and has become costly quick.

Unless you are prepared to accept and pay for this reality, you might wanna start studying for your motorcycle repair exam so that you can either find an honest and knowledgeable mechanic you can trust and rely on, and/or start the process of self-education so you can do the simple shit and thereby minimize your dependence on part replacers.

And most of the work is on Harley's, I would guess!

Exactly what was going through my head!

And there are a lot of systems out there that are very intimidating and seemingly complex the first time around.

Remembering learning how to drive a car, it seemed like SUCH a big deal at the time. Keeping track of all the moving parts, clutch, steering wheel, shifter, brake, gas, turn signals, and mirrors with detrimental results if one was missed! It was overwhelming at first. Adults seemed like experts, including my mom who could operate all while talking to me! Oh, the skill! As a whole, it seemed reasonable to let others do it in anything but the most tame situations.

Now it is so routine I don't think about it. Even the little tricks that were novel at first are second nature, and I am sometimes surprised when my friends have never heard of or applied engine breaking and don't use turn signals. And I am terrified of letting my then-seemingly-expert mom drive my car cause she slips clutch like mad and can't back up to save her life.

So a bonehead mechanic to some is the only route for others...