Testing interest...lowering kit for the SH
05-29-2008, 08:57 PM
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Testing interest...lowering kit for the SH
Okay I know this is kind of a repost but I have some independent progress. I like some of you do not have my feet totally on the ground. Now there obviously are not many options...so I have been reading. I talked to Eli and EFR racing and he said he would have to fabricate a piece that lowers the bike in the rear and of course I would have to lower the front to match. He estimates he can get the rear lowered an inch to inch and a half. So heres the deal it would be really expensive for me to pay and do this on my own.
So I was wondering if there was anyone else interested in a piece like the one I want to get, so I can try to propose a guarenteed group buy to get the price lowered so we can all equally get a common goal. If I get enough members interested to his liking and we agree on a suitable share of the cost amongest ourselves maybe we all can get something good out of this. He said my bike would go under the knife and take approx a week to produce a final product. I can not say how long to produce for everyone else because I would think I needed a number in interested members to get an estimate from him. Also he would be work with the stock spring and shock.
Hopefully I gets some insight on if this is a good idea and maybe some interest to get the ball rolling!
Interested in estimation:
1. Me
2. SuperMike
3. Kendrick
4. Little Squirt
Hopefully more will come foward I am sure the more the better the price.
So I was wondering if there was anyone else interested in a piece like the one I want to get, so I can try to propose a guarenteed group buy to get the price lowered so we can all equally get a common goal. If I get enough members interested to his liking and we agree on a suitable share of the cost amongest ourselves maybe we all can get something good out of this. He said my bike would go under the knife and take approx a week to produce a final product. I can not say how long to produce for everyone else because I would think I needed a number in interested members to get an estimate from him. Also he would be work with the stock spring and shock.
Hopefully I gets some insight on if this is a good idea and maybe some interest to get the ball rolling!
Interested in estimation:
1. Me
2. SuperMike
3. Kendrick
4. Little Squirt
Hopefully more will come foward I am sure the more the better the price.
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05-29-2008, 10:49 PM
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I am about 5' 9", and short legged, so I can't put both feet flat. I haven't had the SH for long, but as I look at the suspension settings, it seems like I should be able to lower the front and rear a little bit. Looks to me like the PO has it jacked up to the max. No clue how much adjustment there is on the stock suspension.
Anyway, I am interested in lowering it a bit. Problem is, there are so many upgrades I want to do to this bike, I would have to put lowering it, low on my list of priorities. All of that said, please add me to the count of interested parties, I would like to find out what the piece would cost.
Thanks for doing all of work for our benefit!
I am about 5' 9", and short legged, so I can't put both feet flat. I haven't had the SH for long, but as I look at the suspension settings, it seems like I should be able to lower the front and rear a little bit. Looks to me like the PO has it jacked up to the max. No clue how much adjustment there is on the stock suspension.
Anyway, I am interested in lowering it a bit. Problem is, there are so many upgrades I want to do to this bike, I would have to put lowering it, low on my list of priorities. All of that said, please add me to the count of interested parties, I would like to find out what the piece would cost.
Thanks for doing all of work for our benefit!
05-29-2008, 11:01 PM
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Springbubba;
I'm 5'9" and can put both feet flat (just) on the ground even with rear spring on 3 and a 4mm spacer over the shock. I've got a 31" inseam so maybe a bit longer than you but you might want to check and see if the PO put a spacer on top of the shock (lots of guys have) and pull it if he did.
I'm 5'9" and can put both feet flat (just) on the ground even with rear spring on 3 and a 4mm spacer over the shock. I've got a 31" inseam so maybe a bit longer than you but you might want to check and see if the PO put a spacer on top of the shock (lots of guys have) and pull it if he did.
05-30-2008, 07:13 AM
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I was thinking the same thing. Don't know if there is something else that can be done for you guys. Don't know if a couple unequal length brackets could lower the tail sub-frame or something. Thank God I'm 6'5". That was a major selling point on this bike.
05-30-2008, 08:04 AM
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Yeah, but tipping over at intersections is embarassing. Some times when you go to put your feet down and it was a close fit in the first place, you find a pothole instead and start to tip. Frame sliders were a good choice.
05-30-2008, 08:12 AM
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Yes this is one thing you do lose, I did discuss it with him. I also agree with kendrick I tipped my bike over at a gas station once and it was over a lose of balance on my height. I can ride on it all day its balance when its stopped is the problem I will wait till I have about five people interested or hopefully more.
05-31-2008, 05:29 AM
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With me personally at 5'6" and short inseam.. I cannot see why anyone would really want to lower a bike that already suffers from too little ground clearance?
You do have to learn to be comfortable on the bike for sure,, but this is done with just some time and experience, bikes in general and the seating position of the SH specifically. If it’s an issue of strength to be able to hold the bike while not being flat footed, or hold the bike up if it’s a little off balance to one side.. You might be better served if you worked on those issues, then creating more by lowering it. It drags now,, only going to get worse once lowered. Unsettling the suspension in a corner because it crashes into contact with the ground is going to be a bigger deal then a tip over in a parking lot.
Again, to each his own, if this has all been considered, and the best choice for you is lowering,, then go for it. Just wanted to share an opinion for thought.
best of luck with finding a few folks to go in on a custom suspension link
You do have to learn to be comfortable on the bike for sure,, but this is done with just some time and experience, bikes in general and the seating position of the SH specifically. If it’s an issue of strength to be able to hold the bike while not being flat footed, or hold the bike up if it’s a little off balance to one side.. You might be better served if you worked on those issues, then creating more by lowering it. It drags now,, only going to get worse once lowered. Unsettling the suspension in a corner because it crashes into contact with the ground is going to be a bigger deal then a tip over in a parking lot.
Again, to each his own, if this has all been considered, and the best choice for you is lowering,, then go for it. Just wanted to share an opinion for thought.
best of luck with finding a few folks to go in on a custom suspension link
05-31-2008, 07:36 AM
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05-31-2008, 11:26 AM
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How much is "really expensive"? Although the work I've done has been aimed at raising the rear, lowering it isn't rocket science. If you are interested in something like a lowering link for the rear suspension let me know, I might be able to make this for a decent price. My CNC guy owes me anyway!
05-31-2008, 01:40 PM
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Im 5'7 and lowered my last hawk, with a custom link on the rear. And that was what put me down at deals gap. I decked the bike out on the left side and lost the rear. I now have a 25mm spacer on the rear and lowered the front 10mm. With the gen mar risers I still sit like stock but god what a differance.
05-31-2008, 11:05 PM
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How much is "really expensive"? Although the work I've done has been aimed at raising the rear, lowering it isn't rocket science. If you are interested in something like a lowering link for the rear suspension let me know, I might be able to make this for a decent price. My CNC guy owes me anyway!
My buddy and I went out for a quick run today and a truck pulled out of a driveway without checking the street we were riding on and almost hit me. Now as he was entering onto the street, our right of way I had to brake hard with front and rear fully pulled in and pushed down and you bet I laid the horn on him too. My bike skidded the rear to the right. Didnt drop THANK YOU but still I definitley had a small problem placing my feet on the ground due to the circumstances. I thought fast and I reacted well I believe because I am in one piece and my bike is too. I just want to make sure if this happens again which it probably will dang Illinois cagers. that I did everything to my bike that will hopefully help me to avoid a crash you know. Thanks for the comments I REALLY do appriciate them but after today I think lowering it a little will help me.
BTW is was day light and I was driving the speed limt so there was no crazy driving involved by me.
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06-01-2008, 03:31 PM
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Wow, that seems pretty steep. There's not a whole lot of design work involved with a lowering link. I'm fairly good with 3-D modeling if that's whats required. It's kind of my job.
Glad to hear you pulled through your incident no worse for wear.
Glad to hear you pulled through your incident no worse for wear.
06-01-2008, 08:10 PM
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07-24-2008, 11:08 AM
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I have got to say, when you proposed this idea it seemed like something I would be able to use. Here I am a couple thousand miles later, and after some basic suspension tweaks, I don't think investing in lowering the bike is something I need to do. I have learned to love my SH.
Right now I am the point that the weak *** front springs are the problem I need to deal with.
Sorry for backing out on you. I hope it works out for you.
Right now I am the point that the weak *** front springs are the problem I need to deal with.
Sorry for backing out on you. I hope it works out for you.
07-26-2008, 10:07 PM
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I have got to say, when you proposed this idea it seemed like something I would be able to use. Here I am a couple thousand miles later, and after some basic suspension tweaks, I don't think investing in lowering the bike is something I need to do. I have learned to love my SH.
Right now I am the point that the weak *** front springs are the problem I need to deal with.
Sorry for backing out on you. I hope it works out for you.
Right now I am the point that the weak *** front springs are the problem I need to deal with.
Sorry for backing out on you. I hope it works out for you.
07-26-2008, 10:09 PM
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I'll ad you to the list NO Commitment just waiting till a get a small group that I can pitch the idea to him.
08-08-2008, 10:48 AM
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Sorry to thread jack.. but Supermike has found someone that'll do it for $70 ea.. and he's offering the contact info..
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=15556
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=15556
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Sorry to thread jack.. but Supermike has found someone that'll do it for $70 ea.. and he's offering the contact info..
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=15556
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=15556
testing interest spring is coming soon!
03-04-2009, 09:27 AM
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Are you considering what this will do to the rear suspension? You are changing the angle, thus it changes the spring rate needed for a given load.
Lots of guys that put lowering links on their dirt bikes end up removing them, or having to respring after to make up the difference. (they were usually ticked if they'd already re-sprung for their weight)
You're changing geometry there, and that's going to affect handling. Some way. You will be the Guinea pigs.
Lots of guys that put lowering links on their dirt bikes end up removing them, or having to respring after to make up the difference. (they were usually ticked if they'd already re-sprung for their weight)
You're changing geometry there, and that's going to affect handling. Some way. You will be the Guinea pigs.
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03-04-2009, 10:22 AM
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Are you considering what this will do to the rear suspension? You are changing the angle, thus it changes the spring rate needed for a given load.
Lots of guys that put lowering links on their dirt bikes end up removing them, or having to respring after to make up the difference. (they were usually ticked if they'd already re-sprung for their weight)
You're changing geometry there, and that's going to affect handling. Some way. You will be the Guinea pigs.
Lots of guys that put lowering links on their dirt bikes end up removing them, or having to respring after to make up the difference. (they were usually ticked if they'd already re-sprung for their weight)
You're changing geometry there, and that's going to affect handling. Some way. You will be the Guinea pigs.
03-04-2009, 11:06 AM
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How much could it feasibly be lowered? I'm surprised it can't be done with a rear shock from a different bike.
That would be cool if my g/f could touch her toes on it... although I'd have to be under the influence to consider letting her ride it, too pristine.
I can put both my feet flat, and the other day I was starting out on a slight side hill in a parking lot when another biker cut closely in front of me by surprise. If I was shorter and tip-toeing it, I probably would've dropped the bike. People on their tip toes drop their bikes all the time in parking lots. It's because by the time you get good footing, the bike is already tipped that much further, and maybe too late to catch it.
That would be cool if my g/f could touch her toes on it... although I'd have to be under the influence to consider letting her ride it, too pristine.
I can put both my feet flat, and the other day I was starting out on a slight side hill in a parking lot when another biker cut closely in front of me by surprise. If I was shorter and tip-toeing it, I probably would've dropped the bike. People on their tip toes drop their bikes all the time in parking lots. It's because by the time you get good footing, the bike is already tipped that much further, and maybe too late to catch it.
03-04-2009, 01:00 PM
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A shock from an F4/F4i is 40mm shorter... That should drop you down a lot... Then compensate some of that possibly and you should still be able to drop some height...
And if re-sprung/re-valved it's a considerably better shock in terms of performance than the OEM one... See the OEM rebuild thread for the whole discussion...
(For the record though... I'm against the concept of lowering the SH as it introduces a whole can of worms regarding ground clearence...)
And if re-sprung/re-valved it's a considerably better shock in terms of performance than the OEM one... See the OEM rebuild thread for the whole discussion...
(For the record though... I'm against the concept of lowering the SH as it introduces a whole can of worms regarding ground clearence...)
03-04-2009, 11:03 PM
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I'm just passing on what I've read on my dirt bike sites. it varies by the bike and what type of suspension linkage (or lack of) it has.
Might be a tiny little difference. Might be significant.
Just be aware of it. ($$)
