Super Hawk as my only bike?
01-07-2007, 06:03 PM
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Super Hawk as my only bike?
I tried to search for threads that answer my question, but I didn't find any. My question is whether the Super Hawk is a sensible bike for all-around riding - little bit of freeway, little bit of open road, some twisties, lots of commuting, some long-range riding (2000 mile trips). I like twin power delivery and I am trying to choose between a used Super Hawk and a used Ducati Monster or an ST2/ST4. Cost and ease of maintenance are factors. Whaddya think?
Oh, right now I am riding a really great 1984 VF750F Interceptor. I am used to riding and maintaining Hondas (last three out of five bikes were Hondas), but any of these bikes is a quantum leap forward technologically ffrom what I have been riding.
Oh, right now I am riding a really great 1984 VF750F Interceptor. I am used to riding and maintaining Hondas (last three out of five bikes were Hondas), but any of these bikes is a quantum leap forward technologically ffrom what I have been riding.
01-07-2007, 07:18 PM
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The superhawk is a great bike and a very good all-rounder: you will be amazed at the improved all-around performance from even a great bike like the 84 interceptor. Reliability and maintenance would be miles easier/better than the ducs and a good deal cheaper.
Sport riding and commuting - great. The sport touring category is very subjective. Everyone is different in what they can tolerate/enjoy on long trips. I'm a wimp and over 40, so keep that perspective in mind. I don't find touring on a sports bike that enjoyable - and I don't find the SH to be an exception - sure you can do it but if you are putting in 500+ miles days you'll be more tired than a true sports-tourer like the ST3 in particular. I have friends that can tour on RR bikes, if you are one of them than the Superhawk would be very comfortable. Also, consider how much time you'll be carrying a passenger - while the subframe isn't canted as high as race-replicas, its still a pretty tenous place to expect a passenger sit for very extended trips. Again, the ST3/4 have a pretty good passenger provision. Even the updated interceptors aren't bad. Also, how much luggage are you going to take? the low pipes make soft-luggage saddlebags possible and the metal tanks is nice for a large magnetic bag.
thats my opinion - you'll get plenty more I'm sure. Depends on where you put your emphasis. Good luck
bill
Sport riding and commuting - great. The sport touring category is very subjective. Everyone is different in what they can tolerate/enjoy on long trips. I'm a wimp and over 40, so keep that perspective in mind. I don't find touring on a sports bike that enjoyable - and I don't find the SH to be an exception - sure you can do it but if you are putting in 500+ miles days you'll be more tired than a true sports-tourer like the ST3 in particular. I have friends that can tour on RR bikes, if you are one of them than the Superhawk would be very comfortable. Also, consider how much time you'll be carrying a passenger - while the subframe isn't canted as high as race-replicas, its still a pretty tenous place to expect a passenger sit for very extended trips. Again, the ST3/4 have a pretty good passenger provision. Even the updated interceptors aren't bad. Also, how much luggage are you going to take? the low pipes make soft-luggage saddlebags possible and the metal tanks is nice for a large magnetic bag.
thats my opinion - you'll get plenty more I'm sure. Depends on where you put your emphasis. Good luck
bill
01-07-2007, 07:19 PM
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The Super Hawk was built for "all-around riding - little bit of freeway, little bit of open road, some twisties, lots of commuting, some long-range riding (2000 mile trips)." As far as cost and ease of maintenance..... it's a Honda! I think you will be very happy on a Super Hawk.
01-07-2007, 07:23 PM
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For what you're looking for my opinion is a superhawk is definitely going to give you the most bang for your buck. I've not ridden any of those Ducati's but I've read that while it doesn't have the top end power of the ST4, the ST2 have more torque down low. I have ridden a 916 though and while dead even in a top end roll on with a superhawk, it also feels fairly weak down low compared to the superhawk. On the other hand the Ducati suspension and brakes did make the superhawk feel like an old bike, but I only noticed this after going straight from one to the other. I would imagine the Monster is big fun everywhere but on the open highway for any period. I'm sure they're all good choices though, just more maintenance and higher prices both for purchase and maintenance. Keep in mind superhawk parts must be much easier and cheaper to come by (if you end up needing them at all). Other good choices would have to include the VFR750/800's and definitely bikes like the Bandit 1200 and FZ1. But for the price superhawks are selling for I simply don't feel you can get much like it for the money. Happy hunting and let us know how it turns out.
01-07-2007, 07:35 PM
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The Superhawk has a pitiful range, so long-distance commuting/traveling requires careful planning of gas-stops. That's from my experience; others say their SHawks are capable of 130+ miles on a tank, but I never got past 100.
01-07-2007, 08:21 PM
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I commute every day the weather permits in DC, and it's great. It's a 40 mile round trip for me, which means I fill up every 2 1/2 days (then a couple of times each weekend!) The 100 mile tank is only a problem if you're out on 'unscheduled wanderings' but any ride with a modicum of planning isn't a problem. I had the VFR tank mod done for a while, and will again as soon as I can get the VFR tank fixed. It's definetly very capable as an 'all around' bike.
01-07-2007, 08:45 PM
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I have done everything from going down the road to get beer to a 9 day camping trip to the Honda Hoot with this bike. I've done trackdays. I did 985 miles in 13 hours (with a Sargent seat). I've ridden backroads and canyons. I've gone to work. With a few select upgrades this bike is a great jack-of-all-trades. Though it is a master at none. I've never really been bothered by the lack of fuel range, as I prefer to take breaks more often anyway. Good tires, good suspension, a real seat, and maybe some slip-ons and a little tuning are all you need.
01-07-2007, 09:20 PM
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I agree with Hawkrider! I think the VTR is the best bike every built. With a few mods you can have a bike that will do better at what it does than any bike manufactured. Now this doesn't mean that I'm going to sell my VFR or that I won't own additional bikes other than these two. The VTR is almost always the first bike I pull out of the garage.
01-07-2007, 09:35 PM
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Assume stopping every 100 miles to fill up= 985/100= 9.8 stop= 10 stops
10 mins per stop (optimistic) at 10 stops= 100 minutes= 1 and 1/2+ hours
add another 30 minutes for eating the entire day (very optimistic)= 2 hours of stops
13 hours-2 hours stops =11 hrs
985miles/11 hrs=89.5mph avg
90mph avg. steady throttle on a VTR won't net 100/tank but if you did for 11 hours straight, well you rock dude!
10 mins per stop (optimistic) at 10 stops= 100 minutes= 1 and 1/2+ hours
add another 30 minutes for eating the entire day (very optimistic)= 2 hours of stops
13 hours-2 hours stops =11 hrs
985miles/11 hrs=89.5mph avg
90mph avg. steady throttle on a VTR won't net 100/tank but if you did for 11 hours straight, well you rock dude!
01-07-2007, 09:48 PM
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Assume stopping every 100 miles to fill up= 985/100= 9.8 stop= 10 stops
10 mins per stop (optimistic) at 10 stops= 100 minutes= 1 and 1/2+ hours
add another 30 minutes for eating the entire day (very optimistic)= 2 hours of stops
13 hours-2 hours stops =11 hrs
985miles/11 hrs=89.5mph avg
90mph avg. steady throttle on a VTR won't net 100/tank but if you did for 11 hours straight, well you rock dude!
10 mins per stop (optimistic) at 10 stops= 100 minutes= 1 and 1/2+ hours
add another 30 minutes for eating the entire day (very optimistic)= 2 hours of stops
13 hours-2 hours stops =11 hrs
985miles/11 hrs=89.5mph avg
90mph avg. steady throttle on a VTR won't net 100/tank but if you did for 11 hours straight, well you rock dude!
It was all highway. Straight through from St. Louis, MO to Charleston, SC. I should've done the extra 15 miles by riding around the block or something but I was straight pooped! I actually averaged about 130 miles per tank, IIRC.
01-08-2007, 08:44 AM
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Yeah, a VFR is really the most sensible bike for me. I love my old V-4, but I have a hankering for a big V-twin. The Suzuki seems a bit porky and the styling turns me off. Therefore, it's the VTR or a Ducati, I guess. If I could afford a Multistrada I would probably buy one, but my wife would go beserk! You guys have given me some things to think about, especially the 100-mile tanks. Any other big problems or annoyances? I am sure I would be thrilled with the VTR's suspension and brakes coming from the 1984 Interceptor. Thanks.
01-08-2007, 08:59 AM
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We whine about the range 5891jonathan, but its really not a problem. Just about everyone i know likes to take regular breaks every 60 to 90 minutes, at least the stretch, if nothing else.
01-08-2007, 09:08 AM
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jonathan, I also rode a 916 and don't think its got anything on the Hawk. Its the bike I ride most and I have six. I was thinking on a Aprila Futura which my brother had for a short while and I liked. Might be the better long distance bike with hard bags included. You can't beat a Honda!
Good luck.
Good luck.
01-08-2007, 11:06 AM
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jonathan, I also rode a 916 and don't think its got anything on the Hawk. Its the bike I ride most and I have six. I was thinking on a Aprila Futura which my brother had for a short while and I liked. Might be the better long distance bike with hard bags included. You can't beat a Honda!
Good luck.
Good luck.
01-08-2007, 01:52 PM
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when I was looking for something all arounder the FZ1 caught my eye - particularly the early ones without the fuel injection complaints. I finally just decided to use my superhawk for everything but long trips and keep my old
81 CBX for long trips and two-up riding. Its at least cool (or I think so). The v-strom is a very good bike (not very pretty) - a cheaper multistrada - and also a nice V-twin engine though not as smooth as the SH
81 CBX for long trips and two-up riding. Its at least cool (or I think so). The v-strom is a very good bike (not very pretty) - a cheaper multistrada - and also a nice V-twin engine though not as smooth as the SH
01-08-2007, 09:10 PM
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One bike only . . . .
Yes, the Suzuki V-Strom is really an option, but it looks big, ungainly and . . . well, really ugly to me. I could never own one. The Siper Hawk is pretty and the sportier position doesn't bother me, but I am having second thoughts about the range. It just won't do for me up here in Alaska. I need a 150+ mile tank. So, I guess it's a different V-Twin for me. Unless the bigger tank conversion is an option. Why can't Honda make a V-Twin Sport Tourer?
01-08-2007, 09:32 PM
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Marm is right and it's not just the VFR tank mod - there are aftermarket tanks available too but they are spendy. In your situation where range is a requirement and you want the best in a twin - the tank mod is the only way to go.
01-09-2007, 04:17 AM
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I would check with a Honda dealer in the UK. There were a couple of years where the European Firestorm came with a larger tank (19l I think). Or tab into the UK Superhawk forum...maybe you can pick up a used one? The tanks are interchangeable.
They were available thru DynamoHumm in Cowansville PQ, but I'm not sure if Brian can still get them.
Or keep an eye on flea bay....
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They were available thru DynamoHumm in Cowansville PQ, but I'm not sure if Brian can still get them.
Or keep an eye on flea bay....
Good Luck
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01-09-2007, 08:53 AM
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01-19-2007, 01:08 PM
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'Hawk
IMO the Superhawk is really best as a commuter.
The fuel range really limits it as a long range tourer.
It's very snappy in traffic, but too buzzy for long
high-speed rides too.
I ride my 'Hawk to work and on errands -- it's truly
a workhorse. But when I'm itchin' for the open road,
I hop on my Blackbird.
Go with a two-bike attack, you'll find it a better solution
I believe.
The fuel range really limits it as a long range tourer.
It's very snappy in traffic, but too buzzy for long
high-speed rides too.
I ride my 'Hawk to work and on errands -- it's truly
a workhorse. But when I'm itchin' for the open road,
I hop on my Blackbird.
Go with a two-bike attack, you'll find it a better solution
I believe.
03-13-2007, 10:05 PM
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Just to note, Honda does make a V-Twin Sport Tourer. The Veradero is not available in the U.S., however. If you visit the Honda Europe web site, it'll probably just **** you off. From my perspective, it seems Honda favors introductions across the pond, and sends much of the more conservative styles to the U.S. Wish they'd be more open minded. Just my two cents. See the Veradero under the "On/Off" link on the site below. Also notice their cool 650 V-Twin - The Transalp.
Honda Europe Link: http://www.mc.honda-eu.com/uk/en/mc/index.jsp
Honda Europe Link: http://www.mc.honda-eu.com/uk/en/mc/index.jsp
03-14-2007, 05:55 AM
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The VTR is my jack-of-all-trades bikes and, with a few mods (Sargent seat, Heli-bars, taller windshield), is quite capable at doing it all. The tank range could ideally be better but as we live in a world where gas stations are typically quite close to each other (I know, there are exceptions) this usually doesn't pose too much of a problem. I have a biased opinion but I say go for it.
03-14-2007, 06:52 AM
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As far as the Monster is concerned, it's at a little bit higher a price point with maintenance/repairs, but is just a bit more fun and maneuverable so long as you stay inner-city. If you're taller than 5'9" you'll probably find it even less comfortable than a Hawk on the long treks. Since you're looking specifically for an all-around bike, the SHawk is the obvious choice with its one real caveat of less-than-stellar gas mileage which might be a concern in your case.
