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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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Heya joesepi da supa hawka-she-a-runs perfecto. Muuaaaaaahh.

Well one week of riding and everything is going pretty fine. Carbs are running pretty decent now with the sea foam ran through them after two tanks of petro.

Second gear is stll kinda choppy, brakes seem pretty good. finally got the clutch under control on the travel of it. front tire feels right after inflating it correctly and wearing off that odd feeling top layer that it had on it.

Lol funny story for those of you who have been following along and helping my Noob riding butt out.

I go to get my first tank of gas. all day long riders have been waving at me as i pass them...i am feeling really good now. i pull into the chevron and this lady in amazingly short shorts and a nice tank top to match shoots me the eye. i think damn she is sexy and she is smiling at me, and i have not taken off my helmet yet(riding a bike is fun). so i take off the gloves and the helmet. stuff the gloves in the helmet and set it on my seat.

Grab my sexy joe rocket tank bag and go inside to pay for some gas. I come out set the bag on the tail section of my awesome bike. sexy chick still eyeing me. im liking the ride even better. i realize i am to far away to pump gas.. i push the bike back a bit. grab the nozzle, select good old super hawk recomended 87. go to open the lock top and knock my helmet on the ground..i sigh i lean over to grab my helmet and knock my bag off the tail section onto the ground..i start to feel like the dream about gym class were you are naked.. i glance over at hot girl and she is snickering now.. lol

i ignore it all now and just put the gas in. for some reason i can't get as much gas into the tank as it had when i bought it. after 5 minutes of pumping 3 cents at a time i get bored and go inside for my change. the cashier promptly already had the change in hand as i started walking up. as i walk away both cashiers snicker as they were checking me out too.

But all in all i still feel pretty cool. people wave, girls smile and even when you do something totally stupid they still smile and giggle and are open to a recovery on my part.

it'sa good to ride da supa hawk ehhh joesepi? Yes it is, Yes it is.

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Old Jun 20, 2009 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 5150
i ignore it all now and just put the gas in. for some reason i can't get as much gas into the tank as it had when i bought it. after 5 minutes of pumping 3 cents at a time i get bored and go inside for my change.
I don't get it, were you doing it slowly on purpose? I haven't finished my first cup-o-joe yet this morning but that statement just doesn't make sense to me at all.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 05:35 AM
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Hey Fifty... this is just a guess, but I would bet that you were topping off the tank while the bike was sitting on the side-stand. Am I correct?
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 5150
..i start to feel like the dream about gym class were you are naked.. i glance over at hot girl and she is snickering now.. lol
Are you sure you weren't naked dude? That's a lot of snickering going on.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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Hey Fifty... this is just a guess, but I would bet that you were topping off the tank while the bike was sitting on the side-stand. Am I correct?
yeah at first it was on the sde stand it took gas no problem till the gas touched the tip of the nozzle. then it would not pump because the vacum bs is telling it to stop and if i pull it out further it wont pump at all because of the gas recirculation vapor collection system.

so i get on the bike and pump a little more till it gets enough gas to go back to the 3 cents per handle pull and did that for about 5 minutes. but the gas still looks very low to me. how high should the gas be filled inside the tank before i have an issue with the vent line?
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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lol well it might have been my non matching gear too. or the super tight pants i wear when i was riding. i think you could see the 1967 on the quarter in my right pocket with out much effort. hehe
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by drew_c14
I don't get it, were you doing it slowly on purpose? I haven't finished my first cup-o-joe yet this morning but that statement just doesn't make sense to me at all.

no. it was the two safety features on the pump. once gas touches the tip of the nozzle it really wont pump, or if you break the vacum seal that is used to catch vapors you can pull the handle all you want to but it will not engage the pumping mechanism at all.. the handle just pulls through with zero pumped.

I was running into the nozzle having to be crammed way way way down inside to get a vacum seal good enough to let the handle actually be engaged and pump. then once that was working the gas was touching the nozzle tip and telling it to cut off pumping. so hence good seal plus gas touching tip means it pumps but for half a second before the handle pulls through and stops giving you sweet sweet gas.
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I hate the pumps here in California. What I do is pull the vapor catch up with my left hand. That way the nozzle doesn't have to be in the tank. I shoot the gas towards the back of the tank at an angle to minimize splashing. I fill (on the side stand) 'til the gas just touches the little bar inside the tank.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 5150
I was running into the nozzle having to be crammed way way way down inside to get a vacum seal good enough to let the handle actually be engaged and pump.
I honestly had no idea such a thing existed. I'm not making that up. I knew about the part where it stopped when the fluid level got back to the nozzle of course, but this other part is new to me.
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I have never used one of those environmentally friendly gas pumps either, so what I was thinking that might be going on here does not apply. That would be a sever inconvenience needing to deal with that contraption every 100 miles.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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Here's a photo of one, though not all look this bad.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gregw
Here's a photo of one, though not all look this bad.
thank you for posting up a picture of the pump head. and i will try your method on refueling the hawk Greg. thank you for the advice.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by drew_c14
I honestly had no idea such a thing existed. I'm not making that up. I knew about the part where it stopped when the fluid level got back to the nozzle of course, but this other part is new to me.
i didnt know they are not in operation every where. but i really miss the old 76 style of pump. where you pull in and it is on the side with really nothing more then a spigot that is attached to a hose and a control handle to make it pump. they sure smell bad and you can get a really good contact high"headache" but topping off was a hell of alot easier.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gregw
Here's a photo of one, though not all look this bad.
I just gotta ask out of curiousity....you must have taken this pic specifically for this thread right? Otherwise my head is left spinning as to why it would exist! LOL
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Hey Duck,
No, I grabbed that photo off the internet. All the gas stations here need to switch to these type of pumps. Apparently, a lot of stations are going out of business due to the cost of the change over. So it's "news worthy".
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Hey Duck,
No, I grabbed that photo off the internet. All the gas stations here need to switch to these type of pumps. Apparently, a lot of stations are going out of business due to the cost of the change over. So it's "news worthy".
Thanks for killing that one for me! I worked on a Phillips 66 station out here and it's still the only one in town with those fume capturing pumps. Supposedly they keep "thousands of tons" of pollution out of the air but the only reason it was done was to throw a bone to neighbors to get the permitting to go easier. Probably alot more expensive as a retrofit.
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Originally Posted by Gregw
Here's a photo of one, though not all look this bad.
I've never seen that type of pump in my life....
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gregw
I hate the pumps here in California. What I do is pull the vapor catch up with my left hand. That way the nozzle doesn't have to be in the tank. I shoot the gas towards the back of the tank at an angle to minimize splashing. I fill (on the side stand) 'til the gas just touches the little bar inside the tank.
This is what I do except I don't dismount, so it's kept upright. I still get some splashing. Pretty annoying that an entire class of motorists is ignored at the gas station.
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Fuel vapor recovery gas pumps, and nozzles, first appeared in California in 1979. At first only in large metropolitan areas, then it expanded to where only the most remote small towns don't use them.

Greg's advice for filling is good. Just pull back the recovery boot with your left hand.
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VTRsurfer
Fuel vapor recovery gas pumps, and nozzles, first appeared in California in 1979. At first only in large metropolitan areas, then it expanded to where only the most remote small towns don't use them.

Greg's advice for filling is good. Just pull back the recovery boot with your left hand.
here is some info on the gas recovery bs they have and why.

http://www.sbcapcd.org/edu/dtofactsheet.pdf
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also check out page 53 of this manual to get a better understanding of how the vapor interlock works.

http://www.evrhome.org/pdf/healy_slideshow.pdf

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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Reason
This is what I do except I don't dismount, so it's kept upright. I still get some splashing. Pretty annoying that an entire class of motorists is ignored at the gas station.
at the gas pumps?!?! i get ignored everywhere i ride man. **** if your biggest issue is the pumps there i envy you. here in florida i am happy to make it to the gas station. people cant drive for ****. stupid cagers.
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Originally Posted by Gregw
I hate the pumps here in California. What I do is pull the vapor catch up with my left hand. That way the nozzle doesn't have to be in the tank. I shoot the gas towards the back of the tank at an angle to minimize splashing. I fill (on the side stand) 'til the gas just touches the little bar inside the tank.
+1 exactly what I do. also remember that you can get vapor lock if you over fill the hawk.
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Originally Posted by swordfish
+1 exactly what I do. also remember that you can get vapor lock if you over fill the hawk.

Huh... Really? I fill that bish up to the top every time... and with the 120 mile commute that means daily.... No problems
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Originally Posted by Vega (streetfighter)
Huh... Really? I fill that bish up to the top every time... and with the 120 mile commute that means daily.... No problems
shrug, dunno, I've seen posts on here about it before so I've always played it safe. if I had a 120mile commute I might not be so cautious either. damn.
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