new appreciation for the hawk after tracking a CBR
04-30-2012, 01:04 PM
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new appreciation for the hawk after tracking a CBR
I picked up a cheap, already race-prepared, CBR600RR so that I don't wreck my daily use vehicle (the SH) doing track days and racing...my first day out on the bike made me realize just how forgiving to ride the SH really is.
More than a few times I didn't get the revs up fast enough braking and the bike chattered horribly on me ruining my corner entry, and yes the CBR handles better...it ought to, being probably 80 lbs lighter than my hawk is in race trim...but the hawk is much easier to ride.
Also I can't imagine wanting to have a four cylinder bike on the street...this was my first time really riding one and I definitely prefer the v-twin for off-track use.
More than a few times I didn't get the revs up fast enough braking and the bike chattered horribly on me ruining my corner entry, and yes the CBR handles better...it ought to, being probably 80 lbs lighter than my hawk is in race trim...but the hawk is much easier to ride.
Also I can't imagine wanting to have a four cylinder bike on the street...this was my first time really riding one and I definitely prefer the v-twin for off-track use.
04-30-2012, 01:11 PM
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a four-cylinder 600 is a peaky engine, it has to be to get the kind of power (specific output at or over 200 hp/L). Undoubtedly, it will be less forgiving on the street (indeed, anywhere). This has nothing to do with it being a four-cylinder and everything to do with its state of tune. A full-fledged supersport literbike (slightly milder state of tune than a 600, with more displacement) will show the VTR its taillight from virtually any rpm and/or speed, despite being an I4.....
04-30-2012, 01:25 PM
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sorry, when I say "first day out", I mean...first track day, the CBR is not legal for street use and has no lights or wiring for lights.
I'm sure what you're saying about superbikes is true, never ridden a 1000cc I4 myself though.
I'm sure what you're saying about superbikes is true, never ridden a 1000cc I4 myself though.
04-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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Yes the VTR does make an awesome all around bike.
I had a similar comparison after taking my Superhawk to the track a few times with stock suspension, then I acquired a 1992 FZR600 in race trim. Wow what a difference tight and stable suspension makes.
I was much faster and smoother on the FZR despite being down on power and torque.
I've raced with a more well setup VTR in WERA at Summit Main last year. It pulled out of corners good but I was able to out corner it and stay in front after passing it.
I had a similar comparison after taking my Superhawk to the track a few times with stock suspension, then I acquired a 1992 FZR600 in race trim. Wow what a difference tight and stable suspension makes.
I was much faster and smoother on the FZR despite being down on power and torque.
I've raced with a more well setup VTR in WERA at Summit Main last year. It pulled out of corners good but I was able to out corner it and stay in front after passing it.
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04-30-2012, 05:41 PM
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On a second read it sounds like your not matching revs while downshifting and braking. Is that correct? If thats the case then you simply need to use the clutch more or with more finesse.
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04-30-2012, 05:51 PM
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Something is not right, you should not be getting chatter at a track day pace. Have you had a the suspension tuned and set up to your weight?
On a second read it sounds like your not matching revs while downshifting and braking. Is that correct? If thats the case then you simply need to use the clutch more or with more finesse.
On a second read it sounds like your not matching revs while downshifting and braking. Is that correct? If thats the case then you simply need to use the clutch more or with more finesse.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'track day pace'...when I'm on the track in the bike or car racing or just practicing I am going to move my braking marker continually farther and farther into the turn...if I wanted to coast there is always pacific coast highway.
also the bike is setup for my weight, the previous owner was the same size as me and was racing it in supersport class with some success.
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05-01-2012, 06:58 PM
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I had a little chatter on my 1st TD with the SH. went from a cable clutch I4, to the SH.
had a little adjusting to do.
I got smoother as the day went on.
I also got a bit of chatter/squeal with the XX, too. hard on the brakes also added light braking with the linking to the rear, then add a downshift and no blip = chatter. I never got smooth with it, so the corner workers just got used to hearing me coming.
the SH is nice at the track. forgiving, torque, sound....3 fun thumbs up!
had a little adjusting to do.
I got smoother as the day went on.
I also got a bit of chatter/squeal with the XX, too. hard on the brakes also added light braking with the linking to the rear, then add a downshift and no blip = chatter. I never got smooth with it, so the corner workers just got used to hearing me coming.
the SH is nice at the track. forgiving, torque, sound....3 fun thumbs up!
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